Mothers vs. Hipsters--is the divide that great?
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The Chipster wrote: Jesus Christ!! If you by mean explicit--that she was nurisng her child--Holy Crap! OK, it was a while ago, and maybe I didn't have the story exactly right--but she was A BREASTFEEDING MOTHER who LOST HER CHILD for 6 months. And if you think it's explicit to take pics of mommy and baby--call the CPS on every parent; including yours.
Yes, it was total BS what happened to her. Also, I believe that you need to look up what "explicit" means, I fear you do not have a full grasp. "Explicit" does NOT mean bad.
I certainly didn't mean to be misleading, but the vagaries of the law affect us all.The Chipster wrote: I thought it was from nursing in public--the point remains--the laws aren't federally mandated or consistent. How can WHO, UNICEF, the CDC, etc...encourage breastfeeding for at least 6 months when our government doesn't protect them?
BTW, the kid was a year at the time and the had already stopped breast feeding, they posed him for the pic. Not that there is 1) necessarily anything wrong with that, or 2) anything wrong with breast feeding past a year.
Seacrest Out. -
daver wrote: [quote=The Chipster]Jesus Christ!! If you by mean explicit--that she was nurisng her child--Holy Crap!
Yes, it was total BS what happened to her. Also, I believe that you need to look up what "explicit" means, I fear you do not have a full grasp. "Explicit" does NOT mean bad.
my dictionary says explicit means "describing or representing sexual activity in a graphic fashion". and, to be fair, that's not what the picture was doing.
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nubnu wrote: I think I will be a cool mommy one day.
Ditto to all of the above - my mom is still hip as sh*t, though perhaps that's because she had me when she was young (25 - she's 48 now). Being from the South, I have so many friends who are two years out of college and poppin' out kids - some of them have retained their cool, some of them have become, well, kinda douche-y, but still lovable.
I hope I will. ...
My mom is 59 is still the COOLEST mom ever.
I hope I'm one of the cool ones
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It is a little known fact that New York is one of the only places in the world where women are legally allowed to walk around topless.
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germfree! wrote: [quote=sweet tea]what's so gross about boobies? i don't get it. :-k
Nothing but that word: "boobies." Can we have a funeral for that word?
ever since i watched this, that word makes me giggle happily. (but i'm with you on "panties". nasty.)
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/boobies+pageant/video/x20o04_pageant-girl-loves-boobies -
it's underpants. not panties. yick. underpants.
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brooklynpotter wrote: it's underpants. not panties. yick. underpants.
I prefer "knickers." I think I read too many British magazines. -
Baby Fishmouth wrote: [quote=sweet tea]what's so gross about boobies? i don't get it. :-k
Penises are great, just like boobies, but I don't want to see anyone whip his out to do certain things in public, either.
for one, you shouldn't be using your penis to do ANYTHING with a baby, except to make one.
Second, with all of you on "boobies". I prefer "rack", thank you
Lastly, I am with you all on "panties". I don't know why it's such a gross word, but it is. I prefer "underwear"; "girly things" if I'm in a girlie mood. Panties is....perverted, somehow -
I tend to say "chonies"
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I agree that the word panties needs to be stricken from existence, I just use the word underwear. I'm also partial to the word boobs and rack is always a good one.
Mama, chonies are underwear? -
sweet tea wrote: my dictionary says explicit means "describing or representing sexual activity in a graphic fashion". and, to be fair, that's not what the picture was doing.
Hmm. Mine doesn't say that, and I've never used it like that.
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"1.fully and clearly expressed or demonstrated; leaving nothing merely implied; unequivocal
2.clearly developed or formulated
3.definite and unreserved in expression; outspoken
4.described or shown in realistic detail"
and then all the way at def. 5
"5.having sexual acts or nudity clearly depicted
6.Mathematics. (of a function) having the dependent variable expressed directly in terms of the independent variables, as y = 3x + 4. Compare implicit (def. 4)."
Even 5 I would call OK, it does have nudity. -
w00t! A dictionary debate is something I can get behind. Proclaim your editions.
Disclosure: I'm partial to American Heritage. -
The word "panties" seems to have taken us far from the original question of this thread but.. It occurs to me that I use that word if I am talking to my girlfriends.. as in... "I bought the most darling mauve lace panties".. but I would never use the word in any other context.
p.s.
I love the important conversations we have on this forum.. the content seems as significant as what is is said on the Park Slope Parents Group.. (which I recently was admitted to... brag, brag!!!!) but that is another story.. -
i always use the ord lingerie when i'm talking with my girlfriends. otherwise, it's underpants.
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O>K> One more important thought..
I thought about the way I "use " and understand the word "Explicit"..
I was thinking about the last time I had personal use of the word.. I remember.. yesterday ..when I was watching my 18 month old grandson and I said to him as he threw his lunch overboard as he sat in his High Chair (with the cute Ducky bib around his neck).
I said..
Benjamin.. DID i OR DID i NOT EXPLICITLY tell you never to dump your food over the edge of the high chair? ( I was trying to give him a choice on his potential answer so he wouldn't think I was thwarting his individulaity)
(read great exasperation in to that)
He didn't answer me explicitly....
I think he said .........DUCK!
Lesson.. Let us not take anything too seriously! -
Drano wrote: w00t! A dictionary debate is something I can get behind. Proclaim your editions.
Mine was Random House, but here is yer American Heritage:
Disclosure: I'm partial to American Heritage.
" 1.
1. Fully and clearly expressed; leaving nothing implied.
2. Fully and clearly defined or formulated: "generalizations that are powerful, precise, and explicit" (Frederick Turner).
3. Readily observable: an explicit sign of trouble.
4. Describing or portraying nudity or sexual activity in graphic detail.
2. Forthright and unreserved in expression: They were explicit in their criticism.
3.
1. Readily observable: an explicit sign of trouble.
2. Describing or portraying nudity or sexual activity in graphic detail.
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Which I'm still good with. I _am_ interested in what Sweet Tea is going off, though... -
Come on! We all know the CONTEXT in which a word is used defines it. If we say EXPLICIT photos--it doesn't take an idiot to infer the meaning.
Nuff said. -
brooklynpotter wrote: nothing's gross about boobies. i think they're swell. but i think the flaunting of boobies in regard to breastfeeding is gross. (as opposed to flaunting with a push-up bra, which i'm all for)
Except, you know, their actual purpose is for feeding babies. But for some reason most of us have been conditioned to find that kind of gross. My neighbor breast-feeds her kid right on her front stoop, and I'll admit it makes me a tiny bit uncomfortable as there is always that awkwardness of trying not to look at the boob while also not wanting to seem like you're purposely avoiding looking at the boob, you know? I'm trying to get over it. -
filmlover44 wrote: [quote=WTGirl][quote=bklyngirl]
Funny that was my experience in liberal Park Slope but since leaving the slope--that has NOT been my experience. I know TONS of nannies now and when I am in the playground I often sit and join them. I haven't made a lifelong friend but then I haven't made a lifelong friend of any of the moms this year either.
Birds of a feather, as they say. Moms hang with moms. Nannies hang with nannies. I think it really has more to do with common interests than exclusion.
Not my experience. Where do you live?
Boerum Hill...Dean betw. 3rd and Nevins. The majority of playgrounds i would frequent would be in BH, Cobble Hill and CG. LICH playground especially. -
hellodarling wrote: [quote=brooklynpotter]it's underpants. not panties. yick. underpants.
I prefer "knickers." I think I read too many British magazines.
My husband uses "skivvies". Where does that come from anyway? -
I think that is an old military expression.
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The Chipster wrote: Come on! We all know the CONTEXT in which a word is used defines it. If we say EXPLICIT photos--it doesn't take an idiot to infer the meaning.
Yah, fully and clearly expressed with respect to the breast feeding, and otherwise depicting nudity. Unless _you_ have something else on yer mind... Given the description in the paper, I would say the pictures were clearly explicit. I would also say that they are clearly legal. Or should be. Ya gotta watch them Texans...
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veets wrote: I love the important conversations we have on this forum.. the content seems as significant as what is is said on the Park Slope Parents Group.. (which I recently was admitted to... brag, brag!!!!) but that is another story..
They ever find the owner of that boy's hat? -
Drano wrote: [quote=veets]I love the important conversations we have on this forum.. the content seems as significant as what is is said on the Park Slope Parents Group.. (which I recently was admitted to... brag, brag!!!!) but that is another story..
They ever find the owner of that boy's hat?
The PSP list can be incredibly annoying, but I have to say that the hat episode has been blown way out of proportion. There was one nut who made an issue about whether it was sexist to assume it was a boy's hat, and everyone else kind of made fun of her -- and then the mocking responses like "it's offensive that you assume from the size of the hat that it was a child's hat" were reported as if they were earnest rather than sarcastic. -
daver wrote: [quote=Drano]w00t! A dictionary debate is something I can get behind. Proclaim your editions.
Mine was Random House, but here is yer American Heritage:
Disclosure: I'm partial to American Heritage.
" 1.
1. Fully and clearly expressed; leaving nothing implied.
2. Fully and clearly defined or formulated: "generalizations that are powerful, precise, and explicit" (Frederick Turner).
3. Readily observable: an explicit sign of trouble.
4. Describing or portraying nudity or sexual activity in graphic detail.
2. Forthright and unreserved in expression: They were explicit in their criticism.
3.
1. Readily observable: an explicit sign of trouble.
2. Describing or portraying nudity or sexual activity in graphic detail.
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Which I'm still good with. I _am_ interested in what Sweet Tea is going off, though...
oh, man, i love dictionary showdown.
i used the Oxford American yesterday. but, for the sense of occasion, i checked out the big guns (the OED) this morning:1. Of the brow: Free from folds or wrinkles; smooth. Of a plot: Free from intricacies; simple.
the Ox Am, btw, begins with "stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt" and then goes on to "(of a person) stating something in such a way" and "depicting sexual activity in a graphic fashion".
2. Of knowledge, a notion, etc.: Developed in detail; hence, clear, definite. explicit faith, belief (Theol.): the acceptance of a doctrine with distinct apprehension of all that is logically involved in it; opposed to implicit faith.
3. a. Of declarations, indications, utterances: Distinctly expressing all that is meant; leaving nothing merely implied or suggested; express.
b. Of a magazine, film, etc.: sexually explicit, that describes or portrays nudity or sexual activity.
4. Hence of persons, their qualities, etc.: Speaking out fully all that is meant; definite and unreserved in expression; outspoken.
5. Math. Of a function: having the dependent variable defined directly in terms of the independent variable or variables.
you said:Her and her husband took some explicit pics and had them developed at Eckerd's, where the employee called the cops.
of the OED definitions, the only one that makes sense applied to a photograph is #3. while it's true that the OED says that meaning can include just plain old nudity, i've rarely (if ever) heard it applied to un-salacious material -- maybe because basically all nudity in our culture is treated as salacious? even when i think about using the word to describe an image not intended to be lewd, it ends up sounding kinda dirty. (explicit photos of unclothed barbie dolls? explicit medical text book photos?)
if you did not intend to imply sexual content, a different word might have made your meaning clearer. what was your intent? i'm not clear.
since the highest use of any dictionary is looking up dirty words, here are some boobie example sentences from the OED -- a little party favor for anyone still reading:
1934 H. MILLER Tropic of Cancer 315:
She was lying on the divan with her boobies in her hands.
1968 Daily Mirror 27 Aug. 7/5
If people insist on talking about her boobs, she would rather they called them boobs, which is a way-out word,..rather than breasts. -
I recognize what you are saying. I'm just surprised - even with what you are saying being true - that other things don't get discussed. Obviously I could not hear every last word - and wasn't trying to! - but I did get the gist of it. I understand that these people you are bonding with because of a similar situation and the things they are discussing are the things they have in common and *need* to know.
I would like to get to know some of the moms in my neighborhood (all evidence to the contrary!
) but any time anyone puts out a call, it's just for other moms or they say 'do you have children?' and if you don't, then it's like, no, I don't have time for you (basically). Our society tends to put all the elderly in one place, all the nannies in one place, all the kids in one place and apparently all the moms in one place. I recognize this is not across the board but it does happen.
Also, what Rose said, I am able to tune out other people's conversations actually most of the time and usually I can' t hear what other people are saying in the Tea Lounge. (The MUSIC is usually too LOUD.) But of course elsewhere sometimes I do.
I feel those conversations, while sometimes seemingly inane day to day things, vary more. I am around a lot of political people so they talk about issues almost all the time and I actually like a good 'oh did you see Ugly Betty last night?' conversation or 'did you hear the latest gossip about x,y or z?'WTGirl wrote: [quote=cat]
I don't want to come across as patronizing but you don't know what parenthood is until you are in it. It kind of blindsides you. Nobody warns you how hard it is (or how great it is). The first few months are overwhelming. Often you are thrown together with other women (because if you don't get out of the house you will scream and bang your head against the wall) who you have NOTHING in common with except that you gave birth. Most of us don't live near our mothers and are desperate to figure things out. That doesn't give people the right to block aisles with strollers (that is just self centered either with kids or without) or ignore nannies (that is just classist and obnoxious with kids or without). I am just addressing why mothers talk about things like strollers, nursing etc. It is this "secret" information that you need other mothers to help you with. How to breastfeed, when did you try solids, and is the crying driving you crazy and whatnot. And god knows you CANNOT discuss ANY SMALL PART of parenthood with your friends who don't have children. They don't want to hear it unless you are making witty ironic comments. So that help to make a divide between parents and non-parents frankly.
That being said, and I've read what everyone else read, I was in the TEa Lounge the other day. There were about seven moms and babies. They tend to block places where you might walk which is weird with strollers when there are other options. Then they didn't seem to talk about anything but their babies, their babysitters, their slings ? -
cat wrote: Our society tends to put all the elderly in one place, all the nannies in one place, all the kids in one place and apparently all the moms in one place. I recognize this is not across the board but it does happen.
This is true, and it's a shame. People only seem to want to hang out with people who are just like them. When my children were young, it seemed like all my single friends faded away -- like suddenly I was boring to them and they found it intolerable that I could no longer spontaneously go out for drinks after work. It sucked for me because I was lonely, and then I made friends with other moms. I guess that's the way it goes. :?: -
ah, but look how nicely we all get along here. hmmmm...
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