Yabbas now a Pet Store + whether you should adopt instead
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If you disagree with his type of business you can simply choose not to shop there. What good will it do to rant on and on online? The owner has chosen to operate a certain type of business and that is his right just like it is a customers right to purchase a pet instead of adopt a pet.
I don't see anybody ranting about stores that cell DVDs when there are other stores that rent them or stores that cell CDs when they can be purchased online and create less waste. Where are the vegeterians boycotting deli's that sell meat? -
ParadeRest, I see what you're saying, but I think this situation is a bit different. I'm pretty sure that vegetarians (although I am not one) do rant about and boycott businesses that they believe are mistreating animals (i.e. not killing them humanely, inhumane conditions while they are alive, etc.) in addition to just selling meat.
It's not the purchasing that people are objecting to, it's the conditions under which the animals are bred, and the even more appalling conditions under which the animals that are used for the breeding are kept--so terrible that those pets could never be sold because they are in too bad condition. And the fact that, rather than spaying and neutering animals to reduce the population of homeless pets, these places deliberately breed more and more pets, which take the place of homeless animals in people's lives.
By buying pets from a store like that, you are both encouraging the people who run puppy mills to continue doing so and outright financially supporting them. -
Wow. Now it's even scarier to think of this guy having animals in his store.
If he reacts that way to a human, what's he going to do with a puppy or kitten that is returned because its sick, which tends to happen with poorly bred animals. He's not going to want to pay vet bills. Makes me wonder just how well he is going to take care of these little babies. What he's charging for these pups to think you couldn't afford one?
And now he's following this conversation.
I'm really sorry that you were treated that way, sje. It just wasn't right.
And whats the deal with making a snap decision about your ability to buy a dog from him? What? Is only Paris Hilton allowed to shop there (like I'd want her to be responsible for a life? I'm sure she does all the maintenance of her dogs by herself)
How do you protect the animals in this situation? -
ParadeRest wrote: If you disagree with his type of business you can simply choose not to shop there. What good will it do to rant on and on online? The owner has chosen to operate a certain type of business and that is his right just like it is a customers right to purchase a pet instead of adopt a pet.
But ParadeRest, ranting on and on online is what the Internet is all about!
I don't see anybody ranting about stores that cell DVDs when there are other stores that rent them or stores that cell CDs when they can be purchased online and create less waste. Where are the vegeterians boycotting deli's that sell meat?
It's something people can do if they want to, and you don't have to read it (following your own logic). You certainly have your pet (so to speak) issues, so I don't see why you should be so bothered that others might have theirs.
I think it's a good thing that people care enough about this to discuss it and even approach the people to own the place to try to persuade him/her to consider doing things differently. I probably wouldn't ever have been a regular customer of this place just because I'm located pretty far from it, but I might have occasionally bought stuff there if I was in the area. However, I won't now, given his behavior towards SJE, who I know, trust, and believe fully. And I think that as a local business owner she's pretty good at sniffing out b.s. and doesn't say derogatory things about other local business owners lightly.
One of the things I think is valuable about this board is that it's one way of learning which local businesses are run by nice people who should be supported and which are run by unethical or rude people who shouldn't. -
dakotas way wrote: And now he's following this conversation.
We don't know for sure that he's following the discussion. All SJE said is that they said they were aware of the discussion -- for all we know, someone told him about it, and who knows how much they told him or how accurate it was?
I wish he *would* read this, because several people had perfectly calm, reasonable suggestions about how he could encourage adoption instead. And maybe he'd understand that treating anyone who comes into his store the way he did SJE isn't good for his business. -
dakotas way wrote: Wow. Now it's even scarier to think of this guy having animals in his store.
Exactly. I was expecting to be bullshitted, but he didn't even bother! If I treated my customers {or potential ones} that way, I'd have been long gone by now. Anyone who's worked retail knows you can't judge a persons pocketbook size by what they have on. Taste level, perhaps, but I personally know many extremely wealthy people who dress "down", so what? I didn't take it personally because it was just dumb. Comments like that tell more about the person saying them than the recipient.
If he reacts that way to a human, what's he going to do with a puppy or kitten that is returned because its sick, which tends to happen with poorly bred animals. He's not going to want to pay vet bills. Makes me wonder just how well he is going to take care of these little babies. What he's charging for these pups to think you couldn't afford one?
And now he's following this conversation.
I'm really sorry that you were treated that way, sje. It just wasn't right.
And whats the deal with making a snap decision about your ability to buy a dog from him? What? Is only Paris Hilton allowed to shop there (like I'd want her to be responsible for a life? I'm sure she does all the maintenance of her dogs by herself)
How do you protect the animals in this situation?
Perhaps Mr. Pup Slope has a steep learning curve to climb regarding treatment of all living things.
The only reason I'm bothering with someone elses store is because these are fragile, living creatures. I do expect market forces to take their natural course.
And I do also hope they are actually reading this and not just hearing about it. -
ParadeRest wrote: Did they have any pugs in the store? I'm really looking to buy a pug.
Even more reason, then, not to shop at this place. Unless you go to a reputable breeder you risk ending up with a sick or inbred dog, or with a dog that isn't the purebred you thought you were paying for. Google "how to buy a purebred dog"--no site will advise you to go to a random pet store. -
Subject: Brooklyn Animal Foster Network Event
BAFN is talking about doing adoptions in front of their store this Saturday to remind people of the tragedy of all the homeless animals that are living on borrowed time at the local kill shelter. We will do so if enough of you who agree that buying when you can adopt is only adding to this huge problem. I will return to this page throughout the day to see what your feelings are. -
Laurie, in front of who's store? Pup Slopes? Wouldn't you need permission from them for this? I'd be wonderful if you got it. In terms of agreement regarding buying versus adopting, I think this entire thread should suffice, no? You mean Hillary Clinton???
I also wanted to say that adopting is not free, nor should it be...when I got Penny, my Chihuahua, she cost $150. and I still had to get her spayed and shots, etc. -
a cat that my family owned over 10 years ago, gertie, was a pure-bred russian blue. she had been used, essentially, as a breeding machine for years. we adopted her from a woman who was moving out of the country and had adopted gertie from the kitty farm. we had to get this poor, at least 7 year old cat, fixed. her belly was so distended that it swung side to side when she ran. she'd been, obviously, terribly abused, and had a lot of weird associations. if you cracked a can of tuna, she'd flop down, butt up - as if waiting to receive her reward for breeding. really sad.
but, we loved her tons and she had a great bunch of years with my family, stealing mexican food from our plates and watching the nba playoffs from one of our laps. I'm hoping the latter half of her life more than made up for the shitty first half.
and seriously - I'd NEVER buy a pet. I've adopted and rescued, and paid money to folks who've cared for my adoptees, but I'd NEVER ever buy a pet. like others have said, you can adopt gorgeous, perfect pure-bred animals. no need to head off to a breeder for a gorgeous, perfectly bred mini-dachshund. -
Adoption Days are great things. What I think is wonderful is that the rescue leagues do interviews, reference checks and sometimes home visits. They care where the animals are going, and that's a good thing.
With all of the people that are uneducated and fall into the "Oh look at the cute puppy. Lets bring it home." having someone in the animals corner is a blessing for them. And don't even get me started on those invoved in dog fighting....thats another thing that you have to screen potential owners for.
Believe me, any animal I've adopted or has fallen on my doorstep lost would make you dinner and clean your house for you if they could.
They really appreciate the love you give them and send it back five fold. -
dakotas way wrote: Adoption Days are great things. What I think is wonderful is that the rescue leagues do interviews, reference checks and sometimes home visits. They care where the animals are going, and that's a good thing.
I dont need permission from the store if i am 6 feet out from it toward the street.
With all of the people that are uneducated and fall into the "Oh look at the cute puppy. Lets bring it home." having someone in the animals corner is a blessing for them. And don't even get me started on those invoved in dog fighting....thats another thing that you have to screen potential owners for.
Believe me, any animal I've adopted or has fallen on my doorstep lost would make you dinner and clean your house for you if they could.
They really appreciate the love you give them and send it back five fold. -
lbleier wrote: I dont need permission from the store if i am 6 feet out from it toward the street.
Interesting! If you decide to do this, please let us know so I can spread the word. -
lbleier wrote: [quote=dakotas way]Adoption Days are great things. What I think is wonderful is that the rescue leagues do interviews, reference checks and sometimes home visits. They care where the animals are going, and that's a good thing.
I dont need permission from the store if i am 6 feet out from it toward the street.
With all of the people that are uneducated and fall into the "Oh look at the cute puppy. Lets bring it home." having someone in the animals corner is a blessing for them. And don't even get me started on those invoved in dog fighting....thats another thing that you have to screen potential owners for.
Believe me, any animal I've adopted or has fallen on my doorstep lost would make you dinner and clean your house for you if they could.
They really appreciate the love you give them and send it back five fold.
Laurie, I wonder if there is another biz right there that would be sympathetic, and allow you to put up your tent for shade (your rescue group was at the Commerce Bank at the Fifth Ave Street Fair, right?) -
Just keep in mind that not every breeder is a puppy mill.
Is the issue there the fact that he is selling dogs? Is it the way he treats customers? Is the issue the way he treats dogs? Is the issue that the quality of purebred is inferior? What is the real reason that we don't like this guy and his store?
P.S. I was kidding about buying a dog there. -
Where is this store located?
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ParadeRest wrote: Just keep in mind that not every breeder is a puppy mill.
I think the issue is that kittens & puppies sold in pet stores are not coming from reputable breeders - they're coming from mills. I'm sure that somewhere in the world there is an exception to this rule, but I always follow it.
Is the issue there the fact that he is selling dogs? Is it the way he treats customers? Is the issue the way he treats dogs? Is the issue that the quality of purebred is inferior? What is the real reason that we don't like this guy and his store?
P.S. I was kidding about buying a dog there.
reputable breeders don't sell to pet stores - they sell to individuals or organizations acquiring specific breeds for specific purposes. their reputations would be tarnished if they sold to pet stores. -
Subject: pet adoption
FYI everybody.
there is an adopt-a-thon at the Park Slope YMCA this Saturday, July 21, from 11:30 to 4:00pm. 9th St btwn 5+6av. Spread the word!! -
Personally, like alafairnadia, I would never buy a pet. I feel there are too many dogs and cats out there needing homes, but I understand that purebreds are desirable. I'd like people to understand why they should go with a responsible breeder over a pet store.
"Responsible breeders answer buyers' questions, keep puppies they cannot place, allow bitches to recover sufficiently from one breeding before doing another, and take back any puppy that does not work out. They breed dogs because they admire their breed and want to contribute to its betterment. They guarantee their pups free of genetic diseases common in their breed and replace the pup if the disease should crop up. They consider the puppies they produce to be their responsibility for the life of that puppy, so they follow-up frequently to see what's going on.
They evaluate their puppies as show and breeding quality or pet quality and sell pet puppies with a spay-neuter contract. Pet quality puppies are not deficient - they just may not meet the breed standard for size, color, coat type, bone structure, head type, etc. Many responsible breeders sell pet puppies at a lower price than show puppies."
http://www.canismajor.com/dog/responbr.html
This article is good too.
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1448
The links I posted further up the thread have more information as well. -
sje wrote: Laurie, in front of who's store? Pup Slopes? Wouldn't you need permission from them for this? I'd be wonderful if you got it. In terms of agreement regarding buying versus adopting, I think this entire thread should suffice, no? You mean Hillary Clinton???
In front of the store would be perfect but I will go by this afternoon and see if there are any sympathetic more enlightened shopkeepers who will let me set up the tent.
I also wanted to say that adopting is not free, nor should it be...when I got Penny, my Chihuahua, she cost $150. and I still had to get her spayed and shots, etc. -
sje wrote: [quote=lbleier]I dont need permission from the store if i am 6 feet out from it toward the street.
Interesting! If you decide to do this, please let us know so I can spread the word.
Exactly. The owner may not like it, and may indeed throw a hissy fit, but he doesn't own the *public* sidewalk. But Laurie, you might want to just double check about whether you need any sort of permit from the city or whatever to set up -- even if you've done stuff like this before -- just to be on the safe side if he does end up pitching a bitch and calling the police. -
Brooklyn Aquarium (ex of Park Slope, 9th st bet 5/6th) sold puppies until enough people from the 'hood complained. Just a thought, guys.
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ParadeRest wrote: If you disagree with his type of business you can simply choose not to shop there. What good will it do to rant on and on online?
Cause we care about our neighborhood and community. The same reason you would down a restuarant for bad business. And promote places that do it right.
Why are you posting? -
misa212 wrote: Brooklyn Aquarium (ex of Park Slope, 9th st bet 5/6th) sold puppies until enough people from the 'hood complained. Just a thought, guys.
See, caring works!! Love it. Can we call the cops on them since they call the cops on us? (see other threads about calling cops on your neighbors) I would say we tried the friendly approach already.
Puppy/Kitty mills are usually the case in these situations. The other sad thing is, which I think should be required, is that the pet store never checks out the person's home before allowing the purchase. I've had cats my entire life, none were bought. I even lived with a retired greyhound (he was the best dog ever, and I'm a cat person!).
If the owners were smart, they would know that selling animals as such will not do in our 'hood. Best to work with the local resucue, feral, adoption orgs and do the right thing.
I'm in for helping out with an adoption tent if need be. Let me know. Thanks. -
spinningpinwheel wrote: Where is this store located?
Anyone? -
On Flatbush, near Bergen. PH side of the street
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To Paraderest
The main issue started as educating people as to why you don't buy puppies from pet stores. The fact that the owner freaked out and was so confrontational certainly didn't help his cause.
Many people aren't aware that the bitches in puppy mills are kept in very small crates and sometimes their feet never touch the ground their whole life because the floor of a crate can be chicken wire (so any waste from the animals falls to the ground and the cage floor doesn't need cleaning.)
Imagine the only interaction with humans is be brought out to breed and in dealing with her pups. No socialization or loving touch whatsoever.
And when her days of breeding are done, she is eliminated.
Simple as that.
Who would want to encourage such behavoir?
By not buying in stores the whole supply and demand kicks in. Less demand, less puppies created in the mills.
Less dogs living in horrid conditions.
And as to papers from the AKC.... as stated before in other posts, they only deal in lineage of the dogs. Not health or quality. In essence, they really mean nothing if you're not showing the dogs. And I have to wonder how they know the truth in the information they're given regarding the bloodlines for these dogs.
Let's face it, all of Secretariats babies didn't win at the racetrack. So lineage doesn't mean you have a quality show dog, but loving whatever dog you have makes it a quality dog. -
Nicely said!
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The exact location is on Flatbush avenue just above 6th avenue, on the Prospect Heights side of the street. It's in the old Yaba storefront, they just put a banner over the Yaba awning.
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a: this is the most obvious shill i've seen in a long time.
b:where you be at wrote: by the way check you spelling .
oh please.
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