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Drug Raid on Lincoln and Washington Last Night — Brooklynian

Drug Raid on Lincoln and Washington Last Night

crooklyn
edited November -1 in Prospect Heights
Finally! The cops have listened. I have watched as the drug dealers on my corner take over my street over the past 6 months. It seemed that nothing would be done. But finally, there was a raid on one of the main drug buildings on the block.

Last night, as I pulled into Lincoln Place to park my car after a night of grocery shopping, I was stopped by five SUVs blocking the road. I got out ready to scream at someone, and call the police to come and clear the traffic, when someone at the corner told me, it was the police. Woo Hoo!!!

This came as a much needed releif. I call 311 at least once a week to complain about the gang of hoodlums playing dice in front of my stoop. At night, I have to park on St. Johns, because all the dealer's friends and customers have taken up every legal, and illegal, parking spot. I am constantly walking around waiting for the gunshots to come out because I never know how bad it could get.

I know that this raid is not a cure all but, let me say, haleluhah! It's a step in the right direction.
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  • Congrats, and THANK YOU to the police!
  • KWAC know anything about this?
  • Subject: Re: Drug Raid on Lincoln and Washington Last Night

    crooklyn wrote: Finally! The cops have listened. I have watched as the drug dealers on my corner take over my street over the past 6 months. It seemed that nothing would be done. But finally, there was a raid on one of the main drug buildings on the block.

    Last night, as I pulled into Lincoln Place to park my car after a night of grocery shopping, I was stopped by five SUVs blocking the road. I got out ready to scream at someone, and call the police to come and clear the traffic, when someone at the corner told me, it was the police. Woo Hoo!!!

    This came as a much needed releif. I call 311 at least once a week to complain about the gang of hoodlums playing dice in front of my stoop. At night, I have to park on St. Johns, because all the dealer's friends and customers have taken up every legal, and illegal, parking spot. I am constantly walking around waiting for the gunshots to come out because I never know how bad it could get.

    I know that this raid is not a cure all but, let me say, haleluhah! It's a step in the right direction.
    That's all nice and good but why is your name 'crooklyn'? :roll:
  • looks like it got called in per our other thread....
    it works.
  • That would be so cool!!
  • Uhm there were just like 1203894739857984358798235 cops rushing down atlantic from flatbush headed east--whats up with that
  • brooklynleather wrote: Uhm there were just like 1203894739857984358798235 cops rushing down atlantic from flatbush headed east--whats up with that
    They must of been chasing a donut truck. :P
  • DAMN, CALLING 311 ABOUT A DICE GAME? SAD TIMES...... :cry:
    PLEASE, LET BROOKLYN BREATH...
  • It's BREATHE, not BREATH. And Old E was one of my favorites as a teenager, the other was St. Ides. :wink:
  • U WOULD'VE CALLED 311 TOO....WHILE U PLAYED SCRABBLE WITH CROOKLYN...LET BROOKLYN BREATHE...
    WHERES THE HUMANITY?
    DON'T B SMALL PEOPLE & CENSOR SMALL DICE GAMES-SOUTHSLOPESCRAMBLA
  • Dice games are fine -but why not do them in private - you know, like scrabble...in he comfort of your own home - or at least not on the busy corner of Wash+Lincoln. Dice games in broad daylight are usually a sign of other problems in the 'hood. The people having loud dice games on the street are not necessarily known for great judgment or temperment.
    I likeOld E and St. Iides from my days in school, but seriously, do it in your own living room.

    I know your post is slightly tongue in cheek but just a little bit of info:

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20060731/ai_n16649776

    Roll of dice may turn up deadly violence, cops warn
    Chicago Sun-Times, Jul 31, 2006 by Annie Sweeney

    When 24-year-old Carl Woods was found shot to death last week, the dice were just feet from his body.

    He had been part of a large crowd of dice players in front of a home in the 4000 block of West Van Buren on a summer evening, neighbors said.

    The game was likely what some call "happy-go-lucky dice shooting," where the stakes don't rise above $1,000. This is relaxed, compared with the more serious high-stakes games played in basements across the city.

    To play, you throw in $20 or so and start rolling -- from a cup or your hand. Either roll a seven first and win, or keep trying to make your point -- by matching your first roll -- and win. Throw a seven, and you're done. As a group gathers around, side bets start, and the players also keep betting as the rolls keep going, quickly growing the pot to a couple hundred, maybe.
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    But the fun -- this is a game played for years in hallways and on street corners -- not only skirts the law, it skates on the edge of danger, police say. The players are often street drug dealers with cash and guns. Throw in drinking and maybe a sore loser or a cheater with crooked dice, and the recreation can quickly give way to violence.

    Detectives are still investigating Woods' shooting, and the motive is still officially unknown. But investigators are looking into whether the dice game Woods was playing led to a confrontation.

    Chicago Police started cracking down on dice throwing last year after noticing how many shootings there were in and around the games.
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    'IT'S A DANGEROUS GAME'

    "We're trying to tell our officers what you may see is just small gambling, but a lot of times it involves gang members who are carrying guns," police Supt. Phil Cline said. "That's why you need to pay attention. Not because people are gambling -- but there is a lot of violence that stems from those [games]."

    In the first week of July -- just before Cline issued a reminder to the department to watch for the games -- there were two shootings at dice games. Last year, there were seven, including two fatalities.

    Such violence has persisted over the years. Former Ald. Robert Shaw's son John Shaw was killed in 1997 after intervening in a fight that started at a dice game. And 10-year-old Stevie Perry was killed by a stray bullet in 2001 fired in a dispute over a dice game. Just last month, a 13-year-old was convicted of shooting a 26-year-old man to death at a late-night dice game.

    Tio Hardiman, director of Gang Mediation and Community Organizing for CeaseFire, said he remembers the games being played in public- housing hallways. Today, they're more likely to be on the street.

    The problem, he said, is there's just too much potential for violence.

    Aside from fights over money, the games are also prey to thieves, Hardiman said.

    Residents on the block where Woods was gunned down agree.

    "Sore losers don't take that, if somebody takes their money," a woman who lives on the block said.

    At the end of the street, a store owner who also didn't want her name used, said she shoos players off the corner all the time.

    "Ain't nothing to it," said Jerome Richardson, a passerby. "It's a dangerous game. . . . It's about money. The root of all evil."
  • SevenOneEighty wrote: Dice games are fine -but why not do them in private - you know, like scrabble...in he comfort of your own home - or at least not on the busy corner of Wash+Lincoln. Dice games in broad daylight are usually a sign of other problems in the 'hood. The people having loud dice games on the street are not necessarily known for great judgment or temperment.
    I likeOld E and St. Iides from my days in school, but seriously, do it in your own living room.

    I know your post is slightly tongue in cheek but just a little bit of info:

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20060731/ai_n16649776

    Roll of dice may turn up deadly violence, cops warn
    Chicago Sun-Times, Jul 31, 2006 by Annie Sweeney

    When 24-year-old Carl Woods was found shot to death last week, the dice were just feet from his body.

    He had been part of a large crowd of dice players in front of a home in the 4000 block of West Van Buren on a summer evening, neighbors said.

    The game was likely what some call "happy-go-lucky dice shooting," where the stakes don't rise above $1,000. This is relaxed, compared with the more serious high-stakes games played in basements across the city.

    To play, you throw in $20 or so and start rolling -- from a cup or your hand. Either roll a seven first and win, or keep trying to make your point -- by matching your first roll -- and win. Throw a seven, and you're done. As a group gathers around, side bets start, and the players also keep betting as the rolls keep going, quickly growing the pot to a couple hundred, maybe.
    Related Results

    But the fun -- this is a game played for years in hallways and on street corners -- not only skirts the law, it skates on the edge of danger, police say. The players are often street drug dealers with cash and guns. Throw in drinking and maybe a sore loser or a cheater with crooked dice, and the recreation can quickly give way to violence.

    Detectives are still investigating Woods' shooting, and the motive is still officially unknown. But investigators are looking into whether the dice game Woods was playing led to a confrontation.

    Chicago Police started cracking down on dice throwing last year after noticing how many shootings there were in and around the games.
    Advertisement

    'IT'S A DANGEROUS GAME'

    "We're trying to tell our officers what you may see is just small gambling, but a lot of times it involves gang members who are carrying guns," police Supt. Phil Cline said. "That's why you need to pay attention. Not because people are gambling -- but there is a lot of violence that stems from those [games]."

    In the first week of July -- just before Cline issued a reminder to the department to watch for the games -- there were two shootings at dice games. Last year, there were seven, including two fatalities.

    Such violence has persisted over the years. Former Ald. Robert Shaw's son John Shaw was killed in 1997 after intervening in a fight that started at a dice game. And 10-year-old Stevie Perry was killed by a stray bullet in 2001 fired in a dispute over a dice game. Just last month, a 13-year-old was convicted of shooting a 26-year-old man to death at a late-night dice game.

    Tio Hardiman, director of Gang Mediation and Community Organizing for CeaseFire, said he remembers the games being played in public- housing hallways. Today, they're more likely to be on the street.

    The problem, he said, is there's just too much potential for violence.

    Aside from fights over money, the games are also prey to thieves, Hardiman said.

    Residents on the block where Woods was gunned down agree.

    "Sore losers don't take that, if somebody takes their money," a woman who lives on the block said.

    At the end of the street, a store owner who also didn't want her name used, said she shoos players off the corner all the time.

    "Ain't nothing to it," said Jerome Richardson, a passerby. "It's a dangerous game. . . . It's about money. The root of all evil."
    The North Fork Bank Cee-Lo Arena...somebody should call Ratner and propose this. If the Nets get a new home, then I believe the dice throwers are owed their own official athletic encampment. :lol:
  • By the way, all the guys who were arrested were released and are now back on the block. They were actually hosting a "weed" party on the sidewalk this afternoon. They do look kind of shaken up though. Lets see how long it will take before they are back in business ( if it has not happened yet) they need to survive right?
  • Just walked by at 4pm and they were smoking on the side walk.
  • Thanks for the heads up.
    Calling the cops now... :P
  • They moved down a block to St. Johns Pl. btw Washington and Classon.
  • Thank goodness we've given up on attacking causes of this terrible social scourge, and started focussing on the symptoms.
  • LeeHo wrote: They moved down a block to St. Johns Pl. btw Washington and Classon.
    Hmmmmmm. Maybe I'll rain a little "Fire and Brimstone" on their asses.

    :twisted:
  • I am moving to Washington Ave, a little further up than Lincoln. I feel safe there, but if there is serious drug action going on, it doesn't seem like a good idea to walk up Washington from Eastern Parkway at night. Can anyone recommend a route back to Washington from Grand Army Plaza that gets a lot of foot traffic?
  • jdr55 wrote: I am moving to Washington Ave, a little further up than Lincoln. I feel safe there, but if there is serious drug action going on, it doesn't seem like a good idea to walk up Washington from Eastern Parkway at night. Can anyone recommend a route back to Washington from Grand Army Plaza that gets a lot of foot traffic?
    personally, I think Eastern Pkway to Washington is safer than walking the quieter, residential streets when I'm alone late at night.
  • I agree Washington gets a lot more foot action than Underhill. I walk by this corner everyday and while they might being smoking pot it doesn't particularly make me feel unsafe.
  • I don't really understand the celebration over this. The cops coming along and roughing up a few people isn't going to stop the dealing, not as long as there's demand for open-air drug sales. The way we police street gangs is totally wrong-headed. Nobody would think that the cops had somehow really hurt the mob if they arrested one mobbed-up storekeeper, right?

    And I live around the corner and agree that it's not like they make the area feel unsafe, though that's obviously a matter of opinion. At any rate, what you guys should really hope for is that something replaces that gross bodega, since different owners might have less tolerance for the dealing.
  • Trini128 wrote: I don't really understand the celebration over this. The cops coming along and roughing up a few people isn't going to stop the dealing, not as long as there's demand for open-air drug sales. The way we police street gangs is totally wrong-headed. Nobody would think that the cops had somehow really hurt the mob if they arrested one mobbed-up storekeeper, right?

    And I live around the corner and agree that it's not like they make the area feel unsafe, though that's obviously a matter of opinion. At any rate, what you guys should really hope for is that something replaces that gross bodega, since different owners might have less tolerance for the dealing.
    Okay, I do hate the gross bodega so, point taken. Those guys are nice (sometimes) but sometimes they seem a little shady with the activity on that corner. They don't own the building and that is the start of the problem. However, are you suggesting NOT calling the police for illegal activity close to their home? The local businesses disagree with that. Go talk to the owners and ask their opinion about the drug dealers and thugs in the area they have had to tolerate for years.

    Someone was killed on THAT corner just months ago...I'm not sure I understand your point completely. The dealing attracts a number of unwanted things. Drugs must be guarded by the dealers so they wont get jacked (guns), let's not be naive about this. I'm sure the friendly dealer never cause you any problems personally, but that isn't the point either.
    But that activity brings the following things I witness weekly: escalated loud arguing, loitering (women must cross the street to avoid harassment), litter, public urination, graffiti, public drunkenness and empathy from newbies.

    So the police have NO effect on crime? Then they have nothing to worry about. Some will disagree but I say keep calling the cops and keep complaining to the city (the building is owned by NY HPD - there are rules to be followed and enforced). I will continue. They can move to another corner where people care less and set up shop there if they want (a district where people vote less, don't call the cops, and don't own property they want to increase in value - that is always a safe bet).

    It's no coincidence that this activity takes place in a building of non owners.....I am willing to bet the dealers themselves DON'T live there in that building. Why not do it in front of YOUR own house since it's so great?

    Yes, this is New York, but the days of being empathetic to the "poor drug dealer" just tryin' to make a living are over.I work hard too and I can't romanticize the situation the way some people try because of the things I've personally witnessed in my life around that trade. Yes, you can be a "nice" drug dealer, but please aspire to be that somewhere else. If I see your ass, I'm calling the cops-again.

    Until weed is made legal here, I'm going to have a problem with the dealers and the activity they bring.

    PS: Chris Rock gives excellent advice on how to NOT get roughed up by the cops:

  • chris rock, seriously, is a genius. I've always loved that segment and every time I watch it again, it just cracks me up more. but. no, folks, I can't be your white friend. sorry.
  • A few years ago, a man ran from Underhill and Lincoln Place onto Eastern Parkway. He was followed by a fusillade of gunfire and he collapsed in the street. I can still hear his growns and I can imagine that I'll be haunted by them for the rest of my life. I called the 911 and the man was transported to a hospital where he died. Sometime later, homocide detectives showed up at my door to interview me. At least at that time, I heard gunfire from Lincoln Place every day. I don't live there now but from what I saw then there was drug-dealing going on in plain sight. I'm not talking about weed. The dealing was so flagrant that I could see what was being passed from hand to hand. I can only hope that the problem discussed in this thread began and ended with a game of dice and overvigilance on the part of the police.

    Femme
  • Yeah, police are known for being really light-handed when it comes to black youth.

    I dunno, there are lots of drug dealers around my block too, but if you smile, they'll smile back and even be a little nice (my guys). I can't pretend to know what it's like with your drug dealers, but it's not like we're on the set of The Wire, for Chrissakes. All the drug dealers live here and LOVE this neighborhood. "Long time no see!" they yell at me whenever I'm on my way to the dry cleaners, meaning "Long time since you last went to the dry cleaners!"

    But dice? Yeah, they could just play in their apartments, but half the fun is being outside. That's like saying that the folks out here should stop barbecueing outside because they should just use their George Foreman grill like everyone else. Not everyone plays scrabble. Not everyone has that indoor boardgame experience, believe it or not.

    But like I said, I don't know what the situation was like. You could just be living in the hellzone over there, no sarcasm meant. I almost got beaten up by a kid over at that Chinese takeout place near C-Town about a year ago. Luckily, there was another patron there there to keep the peace. Apparently the kid was mad at me for looking at him.
  • So we should leave the drug dealers who are "friendly"
    alone and focus only on the ones with angry dispositions?
  • That Chris Rock bit cracked me up. Thanks 7180!

    Re dice games: A group of teenagers used to play dice in front of my old building. I think they liked it because a couple of trees screened the front of the building, so they weren't as obvious to passing cops who might ask why they weren't in school. A neighbor told me she called the cops on them, but I asked them once if they were supposed to be there, and they were very polite, and offered to leave, so I figued they weren't troublemakers. I guess that was naive, but I didn't feel threatened by them. Still, I didn't think my neighbor was wrong; it felt a little weird to have a group of strangers hanging out in front of my door.
  • buffalo --

    Yes, I do think that if the drug dealers are not killing people in front of your building (or anywhere else) and are friendly, there's no reason to hassle them. Someone's keeping them in business, so the fault isn't merely theirs. And as someone who's had a little mary jane every now and then (courtesy of friends), I know damn well that not every drug dealer is out there selling crack.

    And as far as people hanging out in front of your building goes, sprite, you moved here. They were here first. This is the way Brooklyn (and I might add, the Black community in Brooklyn) works. Not everyone has a backyard or a summer house. We have the street. Where do you think this culture of stoop sales came from? The street is where everything happens. It's the community living room.

    Now I don't know what race you are, and I don't mean to turn this into a black thing. But it is a culture thing. And it's a culture thing with West Indians, too. You hang out on the street because it's where you see your friends.

    I grew up playing on the street -- double-dutch, hop-scotch, walking back and forth from the candy store, and just sitting around. In the summer, it's hot. Who wants to be inside? Who and what can you possibly see inside?

    Would it make you feel differently if it were a bunch of old Jewish ladies sitting in beach chairs talking shit instead of black kids tossing dice? Same deal. You just feel threatened. That's why everyone hates gentrification.

    One other thing: part of what determines the popularity of a particular building is also the width of the sidewalk.
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