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Drug Raid on Lincoln and Washington Last Night

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  • Funny! According to the Jewish World Review the guy who came to the Hasid's rescue was playing DOMINOES on the street. Here is the article to read more.

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0802/breslin_no_riot.asp

    Sounds like the young man did attempt to leave the scene of the crime!!!
  • LMAO, I love BK
  • kick rocks!!!! wrote: Funny! According to the Jewish World Review the guy who came to the Hasid's rescue was playing DOMINOES on the street. Here is the article to read more.

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0802/breslin_no_riot.asp

    Sounds like the young man did attempt to leave the scene of the crime!!!
    Lol, it comes full circle. Playing dominoes, drinking beer, keeping a look out for the cops to break up the game. Who they safely turned the guy over to after protecting him from the crowd.

    The guy was charged criminally:
    A Hasidic driver whose car struck and critically injured a 3-year-old black girl in Brooklyn in August surrendered yesterday to face misdemeanor criminal charges. The accident, resembling one that led to disturbances in Crown Heights 11 years ago, prompted several small protests. The driver, Solomon Stern, 42, was charged yesterday with third-degree assault, reckless driving and speeding in the Aug. 20 incident. If convicted, he could face up to a year in jail for each of the charges, brought after an investigation by the Brooklyn district attorney's office.
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9804E6D71038F931A35753C1A9649C8B63

    Don't know what came of it.
  • First of all it's STREET not STREAT. Secondly the man was fleeing from the Mob that tried to attack him, not leave the scene of the accident. The incident was an unfortunate accident thats why Solomon Stern wasn't arrested at the scene. After pandering to the community, for fear of more Riots and Civil unrest,The District Attorney decided to pursue charges against the driver weeks later.
  • oh man, i leave for a few days and this thread explodes!

    so much going on here i'd love to respond to, especially since i've been attending lectures about all of these issues today at the american psychological association's national convention.

    as many people have pointed out, it isn't only white people who would like to see drug dealers off of the streets, yet this is what is implied by many people's responses to complaints about dealers. that's ridiculous. i've worked with many minority lead community groups whose goal it was to improve their neighborhoods, and at the forefront of most of these efforts was removing drugs and dealing from their communities. while crime, drug use, and dealing are largely class issues as was mentioned above, in america class and race are inextricably linked. and while crime/drug use, etc. are highly class/race related issues, wanting to address and improve these issues doesn't always have to be race related (but it can be).

    white people are privileged simply because they share a skin color with the ruling elite (yes, there are vastly differing degrees of privilege), and people of color are disproportionately poor. but again, as i mentioned above, none of this should be used as excuses to dismiss or accept as inevitable social issues that are hurting our communities. you must acknowledge the causes and the symptoms and address them both.

    dinkyla - i learned the information about drug dealers not dealing on their blocks from sociology of the criminal justice system classes and by studying and working in gang prevention and urban community issues.

    and i have a question that i don't want you to take antagonistically. if you are as concerned about minority/working class community issues as you appear to be in this thread, why are you working in an expensive private school teaching students who i assume are predominately white?
  • That's a great question, evan, and I don't take it in an antagonistic way. I like working with elite (and predominantly white) kids in a private school because I like knowing that I will have an impact on those people who are guaranteed to be the ones in the country who make policy and interact with those who make policy. Elite private schools are one thing that Obama, Kerry, Gore, the Kennedys, and Bush have in common. Neither Clinton went to a private high school, though, which is interesting.

    Presidential candidates, senatorial candidates, national policy makers go to the sort of school I teach at.

    I think that ultimately I will try to teach at a public school, but I want to do it after I've actually learned how to teach (I'm still pretty new at this), and after my school has finished paying for my masters degree. Teaching fellows would also pay for some of the degree, but I've heard too many horror stories about teachers being encouraged to hit kids, teachers being threatened by kids (I'm not talking about public schools in general, mind you, I'm specifically talking about the schools teaching fellows are often sent to).

    That said, as a black person who went to a private school, I also think it's important to have a black presence, however small, in those institutions where children learn how to interact with, use, and even fight power.

    Andrew Goodman graduated from my school:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Goodman

    I used to work at a private school that had a pretty big black population, and lots of poor folks on financial aid (a minority of whom were black, actually. Many were immigrants) but had to leave because I was stuck in administration, away from the kids.
  • Dinkyla - Great points, and very similar to many of the reasons why I as an affluent white male choose to work in inner city public schools. I've often considered working in private schools for the very same reason, and because I know that I'd be a very different person than I am today if I didn't have teachers that made me think critically and often radically about the world while I was in high school. My high school was a lab school on a college campus, and though it was very inexpensive ($800 a semester) it was very hard to get into and was full of either college faculty's children or local politicians children. I think about the impact a radical teacher can have in such a school and that often draws me to such places.

    Oh, and I started teaching through Teach for America so I definitely know what you mean about the types of schools the Fellows place in. It's tough, because part of me feels like those are the schools where I'm most needed, but after being in such schools for several years you realize that as a teacher there is only so much you can do when the system is fucked and your administration is evil.
  • King without a crown wrote: Actually what had happened was that the girl ran into the side of the car and when the people saw it was a Hasidic Jew driving, they tried to rip him out of the car. The block did not hold him for the Police, they tried to attack him causing him to flee from being beaten.Following the incident they rioted like animals throwing bottles off the rooftops at the responding Police.
    That's terrible, but not nearly as bad as when another group of people acting like "animals" overran a police precinct in Borough Park a few decades back, or when the same group of people attacked police attempting to do their job a little more than a year ago on 16th Ave. How shameful :?
  • Hey King Without a Crown, you are making good points, but you aren't providing any outside information to back it up. How do you know this information you know?

    Same for you, Restless Native. What police precinct attack in Borough Park are you talking about? Can you link to an article or something?

    And you too, Boogie Knight. Why do you get to decide who is normal and who is not? Why do you get to decide that Lemarseilles doesn't represent someone who is abnormal? Simply calling people wrong isn't backing up your point. It's stating an opinion. And that's fine, too, obviously. But jeez -- what is the point of reacting to what someone says if all you're gonna say is that they're wrong? (Moreover, I never said that the poor are the only people without the same amazing self-motivation Lemarseilles has; I used my wealthy students as an example, showing that even people with everything at their fingertips don't usually take advantage and work extremely hard; I also asked about the people that don't make it to America and asked if they are just lazy. No one responded to that.)

    I mean, if we're gonna argue, let's do it with some facts that we can all see, or first-hand information that can be shared (like that anecdote BoogieKnight gave about violence on Franklin. Is Franklin Avenue part of Prospect Heights?), otherwise we're just bickering and not opening eyes at all. And isn't the opening eyes part what we want to happen on these forums? If not, then nevermind.

    I'm willing to be convinced. But shit, y'all, emotions alone rarely sway anybody. Now if swaying isn't what you mean to be doing, so be it.

    And what, you ask, is my proof? Years of reading English papers with theses that cannot be proven because the writers don't give evidence to back up what they're saying. ("Where are your quotes?" is the most common feedback I give. Right after that, it's "What page does this quote appear on?!?!")
  • Dinkyla, King is one of the regular posters that works for the PD. He usually has the correct state version of events, even if the street version differs. With respect to the riots, the following is an article from the NYTimes that appeared after the event.
    Police Defend Conduct During Borough Park Arrest and Protest
    By KAREEM FAHIM AND ANDY NEWMAN; PATRICK HEALY AND ANN FARMER CONTRIBUTED REPORTING FOR THIS ARTICLE.
    Published: April 6, 2006

    A day after a protest by hundreds of Hasidic Jews over a 75-year-old man's arrest, in which, the authorities said, two officers were assaulted, two police cars were damaged and two dozen bonfires were set, the police commissioner said yesterday that his department's conduct had been appropriate.

    City officials were facing questions not only about how the police treated the elderly man, but also about why only three people were arrested in the confrontation, which took place in Borough Park, Brooklyn, and lasted several hours. They said the priority on Tuesday was to defuse a volatile situation in a neighborhood whose largely Hasidic residents and the authorities have a history of tension.

    ''The police have to use their judgment,'' Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said at a breakfast meeting with Orthodox Jewish leaders from Borough Park. ''I'm satisfied with the response.''
    The leaders called the demonstration in their neighborhood a misunderstanding that had been aggravated by the presence of hundreds of high school students who had misbehaved, and said the protesters' conduct was inexcusable.
    Responding to a reporter's question about whether his officers had trod too lightly, Mr. Kelly again said that the response had been appropriate.
    Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg also defended the reaction by officers. ''Their job is to enforce the law and to calm the community and give the community a sense that they're being protected,'' he told reporters. The leaders who met with Mr. Kelly praised the Police Department's restraint, saying that it had prevented the protest from escalating.

    The disturbance on Tuesday night was the first major flare-up between the police and residents since 1999, when hundreds of people protested the shooting by the police of Gidone Busch, a mentally disturbed Orthodox Jew who was shot by the police while holding a hammer.
    The demonstration Tuesday was stoked, residents said, by complaints that the 75-year-old man, Arthur Schick, had been mistreated by officers after he was pulled over during a traffic stop.

    For his part, Mr. Schick, an Orthodox Jewish caterer who lives in Flatbush, Brooklyn, criticized both the police and the protesters yesterday in an interview at his home. He said the officers had handled him roughly when they stopped him for speaking on his cellphone while driving and for not pulling over when the officers turned on their roof light.
    After giving one of the officers his license and registration, Mr. Schick, said he got out of his car and walked toward the police car asking for the officers' names. One of the officers ordered him to get back in his car. When he instead asked one officer again for his partner's name, the officer handcuffed him, Mr. Schick said.

    The two officers, whom Mr. Schick and a law enforcement official later identified as Sgt. Angelo Russo and Officer Joseph Wright from the 66th Precinct, then moved Mr. Schick toward a police van that arrived on the scene.
    ''It was a high step,'' Mr. Schick said, describing his attempt to get into the van. ''I asked for help getting in. They wouldn't help me. Instead, they pushed me into the seat of the van face down.''
    Mr. Schick said an officer in plainclothes in the van, using a racial epithet, told him he was being treated the way officers treat black people.
    Mr. Kelly, however, said that Mr. Schick left his car and started berating officers and tried to involve the crowd that had gathered. The two other men arrested were Chaim Gillig, 18, who was charged with disorderly conduct, and Chaim Appel, 37, who Mr. Kelly said kicked an officer responding to the demonstration.

    No one has yet been arrested for smashing one police car's windows, setting a fire inside another one or for grabbing Sergeant Russo soon after he arrested Mr. Schick, the police said.
    Of the demonstration after his arrest, Mr. Schick said: ''The riots were 100 percent wrong. Protest is good, but it has to be done in a legal, proper and civil manner.''

    During a news conference yesterday in front of the 66th Precinct station house, City Councilman Simcha Felder, whose district includes Borough Park, said he had been at the demonstration and had heard Joseph J. Esposito, the chief of department, the highest-ranking uniformed police officer, make derogatory comments about Jews.

    In a statement, the Police Department said that Chief Esposito acknowledged that while trying to bring the crowd under control, he had used an expletive, but quotes of his comments in the statement did not make any reference to Jews.
    Mr. Kelly said he had total confidence in Chief Esposito, and added, ''The appropriate tactics were used, the appropriate number of arrests were made.''
    Large crowds in the streets are not unusual in Hasidic neighborhoods, where people gather en masse for holiday celebrations, funerals, rallies and many other occasions. And on a weekday evening a few days before Passover, the streets of Borough Park are crowded with shoppers.

    A few times in recent decades, crowds in the neighborhood have gathered in anger.
    In December 1978, hundreds of residents took to the streets to protest the fatal stabbing of an elderly Jewish man, sparking riots that left at least 70 people injured, most of them police officers. Demonstrators stormed the 66th Precinct station house, fighting with officers and damaging property in the worst unrest the city had seen since riots in the 1960's.
    In August 1999, residents took to the streets again, after four police officers fatally shot Mr. Busch.
    Rabbi Edgar Gluck, who was struck on the head by a police club during the 1978 riots, said he arrived at Tuesday's protest 10 minutes after Mr. Schick's arrest. ''When something like this happens, it puts relations back for who knows how long, on both sides,'' he said of Hasidic residents and the Police Department.

    ''Some people feel that the community has a large influence on the policies in the 66th Precinct,'' he said.
    ''We are different than other communities. In our dress, our worship, our school system,'' he said. ''We have to have a close relationship with the police.''

    Correction: April 17, 2006, Monday An article on April 6 about the New York police commissioner's defense of his officers' conduct during a protest by Orthodox Jews in Borough Park, Brooklyn, referred incorrectly to the riots of December 1978 there, in which at least 70 people were injured after hundreds stormed a station house. The clashes were among the worst between civilians and the police since the 1960's, but not the worst unrest in the city since then. A blackout in 1977 led to a citywide spree of violence and looting, hundreds of injuries and mass arrests.
  • alafairnadia wrote: HURRAH! we've got that game going again! which game?

    GENTRICONFRONTATION!

    it's one of my personal favorites.
    GENTRICONFRONTATION! I love that game!!!

    I'll Take "We were here before you. So if you don't like it. Move!" for 100 alex.

    :P
  • This is an awesome thread.

    Dinkyla's definition of racism is not "his" definition.

    It is the standard definition that is taught in Anti-Racism workshops and is widely accepted by those who work in A/R. The point is merely that Racism has much deeper roots than mere prejudice (which most people confuse it with) and is entirely based on who has the power/priviledge and who doesn't.

    One thing that you learn in A/R is that you probably can't do much about the prejudiced opinions of individuals (what you know as racism) but that you can change the power structure (what I know as racism).
  • According to the Jewish World Review this man didn't stop! He kept on going until detained.

    "The vehicle was a green van and the driver did not stop. He kept going down the street until people jumped out and made him stop."

    AND, as to "The incident was an unfortunate accident thats why Solomon Stern wasn't arrested at the scene. After pandering to the community, for fear of more Riots and Civil unrest,The District Attorney decided to pursue charges against the driver weeks later." Are you saying that the police arrested this man because they are afraid of the community and NOT because he didn't stop after he hit the child? Poor guy. Sounds like he did everything right that day and the police are still going to punish him!? Something doesn't sound right?

    It's bias that you are spitting out here. You site a riot in PH and accuse people of acting like animals and make it sound like this is the only zip code that's ever been angry about a street issue! How would you describe BP's actions where two officers were assaulted, two police cars were damaged and two dozen bonfires were set, according to the NYT, polite and productive protest?
  • Lets try to stay focused here. Common sense says that if you committed a crime and you are in Police custody then you will be arrested. Now do you really believe that the City and the DA's Office wouldn't charge someone with a Crime to prevent further Civil unrest and protests?It happens all the time. As for the Jewish World Review reporting of the incident, very simply they weren't there! It wouldn't be the first time the press got the story wrong. Do you really think if this guy was flying down the block at a high rate of speed trying to flee a crime, he would be captured a 200 feet from the incident? To remind you this is not a Black Vs. Jew thread, no where in my post do I defend Jews nor attack anyone other than those committing Crimes. And yes other people Riot in other Zip Codes and act like animals too.
  • back to the original topic for a sec, with the return of warm weather last night, there was an especially heavy trail of empty dime bags running from the bodega, past the lot, and in front of #375 (bldg w glass front elevator.) skinny guy w locks and company still around the lot. PD employee, any chance of revisiting us in person? we've got 12 kids living in our bldg alone now, not to mention all the kids playing up & down the block. they really don't need to be walking through all the dealing to get chips from the bodega.
  • lnclnplcgentrifier wrote: back to the original topic for a sec, with the return of warm weather last night, there was an especially heavy trail of empty dime bags running from the bodega, past the lot, and in front of #375 (bldg w glass front elevator.) skinny guy w locks and company still around the lot. PD employee, any chance of revisiting us in person? we've got 12 kids living in our bldg alone now, not to mention all the kids playing up & down the block. they really don't need to be walking through all the dealing to get chips from the bodega.
    How dare you try to alter the original character of the neighborhood lol
  • AMen!!!!!!
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