Park Slope Pigeon-Killing Eight Year Old
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what a sick twisted kid
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bklyngirl wrote: [quote=veets][quote=Karl the Druid]i saw a homeless woman in central park eating a pigeon
Now this smacks of "Urban legend."
ruined my day
In france they call it "squab", and I too am offended that it affordable for the homeless.
now that you told me what "squab" is, it sounds much worse than pigeon
that's like calling sweet breads "french mangos" -
I'm sorry SPRITE. Did you say it was OK to have fun back in the day with torturing animals because it was an accepted practice???
I guess going to the Colusseum during the Roman Empire was a gas unless you were a slave or christian. Or how about taking the family out for a picnic and hanging in the town square? Now that's quality time.
And it is absolutely true that the majority of sociopaths, serial killer and killers of the everyday kind tended to torture and kill animals in their youth.
I have jumped in many times to correct people and their kids about how to treat animals. Doesn't matter where or when, I will always let them and whoever they're with know that their behavior is unacceptable.
I once was at a horse show where a rider (not one of my students) began hitting his horse in the face with his riding crop because it stopped at a jump. I grabbed that SOB kid by his leg, pulled him off the horse and marched him and his horse up to his mother to advise what he had done. She was pretty clueless so I then took the kid to the horse show steward, filed a complaint and he was watched for several show to make sure he didn't ever do that again.
Unacceptable at any time or place. -
i still think the blogged story is fable, observe the way its written carefully and think of the detail that it would have if you witnessed such an account, this one smacks of telephone game
but as with most fables, it serves to exemplify real life. some kids in general can be mean and misguided. in this day and age they also seem to be very medicated (very)
i do find most urban folk and their kin generally know wild life from books, tv, maybe the zoo. they might only know how to interact with animals as an object (a child's first instinct)
i grew up rural, hunting, fishing, trapping and tending live stock/foul. when you raise or hunt an animal for food you have much more respect as to what you are eating and what it actually is, you have much more respect for life and take only what you need, you also learn not to waste
in this now disposable society, some must be carefully taught -
My 2cents.......I think some folks on this board, considering how little evidence and background we have on the pigeon-stick incident, are way overreacting. Nascent serial killer, really? Sure sign of the complete degradation of the Western world, really?
Killing the pigeon was wrong, and the kid should be spoken to about it. If the kid’s watcher saw the pigeon-killing and did or said nothing, they should be spoken to as well.
That said, kids are kind of stupid and kind of mean. I myself and I'm sure tons of us out there have when young and stupid and mean chased/chucked rocks at/just generally harrased all sorts of animals,younger siblings and weird kids at play/school grounds. And for no better reason than you were dared to/being shitty/or just plain .
In no way is that sort of cruelty a sign of a burgeoning monster.
So unless we know for a fact that pigeon kid has also been sexually-physically abused/received numerous serious head injuries/starts fires and whatever other serial killing signifiers I left off, some of y'all should take a deep breath and relax. -
dakotas way wrote: I'm sorry SPRITE. Did you say it was OK to have fun back in the day with torturing animals because it was an accepted practice???
Oh, please. I said no such thing, and if you took the trouble to read everything I wrote, you'd see that. My point is not that's it's ok to wantonly hurt or kill animals. My point in mentioning that history is to say that every person who has been unsympathetic to an animal's pain is not automatically psychotic. That while sociopaths are usually cruel to animals, a lot of normal children are too. The difference is that a normal kid can learn to relate to another creature's pain.
But the normal kid still has to be taught. Obviously you get that, because you made sure that kid at your horse show knew he was out of line and would not get away with it again. And I say bravo! It's just sad that the kid's mother was too clueless to take action when you brought it to her attention. -
Sorry, Sprite, if I misuderstood your post.
And yes, many adults need to be educated as well. Which is beyond my understanding, but sadly true. -
No offense taken, dw.
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Speaking of animal cruelty, did anyone see the story about the pit bull that was tied to a tree and set on fire on Long Island? Police are looking for leads. Incredibly sad.
http://www.wnbc.com/news/13692700/detail.html -
dakotas way wrote: I'm sorry SPRITE. Did you say it was OK to have fun back in the day with torturing animals because it was an accepted practice???
I back that up, dakotas way. Just because in the 1800s New York City's bartenders starved rats and then invited customers to watch the rodents rip each other apart, does not mean such a barbaric act is moral in any time or society.
I guess going to the Colusseum during the Roman Empire was a gas unless you were a slave or christian. Or how about taking the family out for a picnic and hanging in the town square? Now that's quality time.
And it is absolutely true that the majority of sociopaths, serial killer and killers of the everyday kind tended to torture and kill animals in their youth.
Less than 100 years ago in the United States it was socially acceptable to lynch people. I'm glad I was not around then or I'd probably be hanging from a tree. -
triebensee wrote: That's horrible, but I saw something far worse once.
Hahahahaha!!!!
I saw someone actually feeding pigeons!
Them and alley cats, the two most wretched creatures ever to walk to earth. -
Restless Native wrote: [quote=triebensee]That's horrible, but I saw something far worse once.
Hahahahaha!!!!
I saw someone actually feeding pigeons!
Them and alley cats, the two most wretched creatures ever to walk to earth.
Unless we count you, then that makes 3. -
Subject: exactly.
caseopele wrote: [quote=Restless Native][quote=triebensee]That's horrible, but I saw something far worse once.
Hahahahaha!!!!
I saw someone actually feeding pigeons!
Them and alley cats, the two most wretched creatures ever to walk to earth.
Unless we count you, then that makes 3.
Caseopele, I couldn't have said it better! Except I'd say that there's just one -- people who can't show empathy for other creatures, outside of those designated species they decide 'count'. -
It's not every day a debate erupts on message boards over moral relativism! I love it!
Is it an absolute truth that killing a pigeon is bad? I don't buy it (although - for the record - I think pigeons are rats with wings, but that an 8 year old kid should absolutely not be killing them for fun).
There are cultures that make sport out of torturing animals for enjoyment and it has been going on for all of time. Are you going to tell the Spaniards that they should abolish bull fighting? Who is going down to Texas to tell them to stop with the rodeos? And, yes, there are hierarchies of living things. We treat dogs and cats better than rats. And cans of tuna fish are marketed as "Dolphin Safe." Why do we care if dolphins die while we are eating something else that was alive? Why do we care more about the dolphin than the tuna? -
Bull fights and rodeos???
Have you ever been to a rodeo? Do you know why the horses buck??? Because they put a strap around their kidneys and cinch them as tight as they can to cause pain. THATS why they buck. Not because they're wild horses by any means. And calf roping. Disgusting. Running babies into a ring, chasing them with a horse as they run in blind panic, lassoing and hog tying them.
And bullfights. How can it be right to torture an animal with swords and provoke it to the point it charges????? Yes....bulls are testosterone filled creatures that will charge, but it's outcome shouldn't be that it's stabbed to the point it dies.
And the running of the bulls in Pampaloma. Did you read about the idiot brothers from the U.S. last week that were both gored at the same time? There's supposedly a picture of one brother gored through the butt and the other is on the other horn and gored through the thigh. Their response? "I guess we didn't run fast enough."
What boobs. Talk about poetic justice -
Jamzer wrote: It's not every day a debate erupts on message boards over moral relativism! I love it!
First of all, WHY do YOU think you THINK that pigeons are "rats with wings?" Would you have 'come up with that' on your own or is that inflicted by society?
Is it an absolute truth that killing a pigeon is bad? I don't buy it (although - for the record - I think pigeons are rats with wings, but that an 8 year old kid should absolutely not be killing them for fun).
There are cultures that make sport out of torturing animals for enjoyment and it has been going on for all of time. Are you going to tell the Spaniards that they should abolish bull fighting? Who is going down to Texas to tell them to stop with the rodeos? And, yes, there are hierarchies of living things. We treat dogs and cats better than rats. And cans of tuna fish are marketed as "Dolphin Safe." Why do we care if dolphins die while we are eating something else that was alive? Why do we care more about the dolphin than the tuna?
Secondly, you are absolutely right about dolphins vs. tuna. It's bizarre in many ways.
Dakotas Way made other really good points so I won't go into all that ...which I don't know as well as DW does. (Thank you, DW.)
There are only "hierarchies of living things" as humans designate them because of *ways* in which our society thinks and passes that along. Pigeons were revered and appreciated for hundreds and hundreds of years and it's only until the latter part of the last century that this changed. So... the trick, I think, is to challenge it and not just *buy into* whatever the 'main big thought' of society IS. (Such as - pigeons = bad, etc.) -
caseopele wrote: [quote=Restless Native][quote=triebensee]That's horrible, but I saw something far worse once.
Hahahahaha!!!!
I saw someone actually feeding pigeons!
Them and alley cats, the two most wretched creatures ever to walk to earth.
Unless we count you, then that makes 3.
You aren't exactly the pride of Brooklyn yourself, dear - take it from someone who's seen you -
Pigeons are disgusting. Sorry about that, but it is my opinion.
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Jamzer wrote: Pigeons are disgusting. Sorry about that, but it is my opinion.
so are half of the parents in PS, and all of their spawn. Still, it doesn't beat them with sticks, tempting as it is. -
Restless Native, did I mention anything about your looks? No, because even if I've seen you before I seriously don't remember. Guess you didn't make much of an impression. Also, I never claimed to be the pride of Brooklyn. That kind of egotism is more your style.
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That was uncalled for Mr. Native. Read the Rules. Be Nice.
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Thanks, Jamzer.
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That was really rude and uncalled for Restless Native
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bklyngirl wrote: [quote=Jamzer]Pigeons are disgusting. Sorry about that, but it is my opinion.
so are half of the parents in PS, and all of their spawn. Still, it doesn't beat them with sticks, tempting as it is.
Also rude and uncalled-for. :roll: -
but to get back on topic "Park Slope Pigeon: Killing Eight Year Old"
that pigeon should never have hit that boy with a stick
where were that bird's parents? -
I once saw a pigeon eating itself - half of it had been run over. I guess they're instinctive, primitive feeders - like pirhanas.
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those donner party pigeons are godless creatures
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:shock:
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To Toothpick
The pidgeon, I'm sure, wasn't eating itself but reacting strictly out of pain and shock. Probably pecking at the area run over in a kind of frenzy.
Always an awful thing to witness....an animal still alive after being run over or mortally wounded and clinging to life.
I really do hope someone addressed this kids behavior and made him see why it was wrong to hit anything, much less a defenseless creature.
And that's why it's good that Michael Vick has gotten the reaction he has from the authorities and the public.
Don't even try to say he didn't know it was wrong to participate in dog fighting and personally torturing and electrocuting the losing dogs.
There is no excuse in the world to defend such behavior
Maybe his situation will make some kids (and if we're lucky) adults to stop and think about what they're doing and how and why it's so wrong to do. -
Karl the Druid wrote: but to get back on topic "Park Slope Pigeon: Killing Eight Year Old"
I think I read somewhere that the bird was from Jersey. Typical. :roll:
that pigeon should never have hit that boy with a stick
where were that bird's parents?
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