Serious question about shootings:
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YS, since you've taken on the role of keeper of all that is real, why don't you post some stuff that is positive about what's going on in and around the 'hood?
Its easy to toss stones at the rest of us, but you don't ever seem to be sharing any info of a positive nature either. What businesses deserve community support, what community groups should we know about, who are the people in the nabe that you think deserve some props?
Playing the foil for a bunch of gentrifiers may be fun, but aren't you just as guilty of perpetrating negative sterotypes when you insist that drug dealing and gunshots are part of the fabric of the neighborhood and folks should turn a blind eye because it was that way when they got here? -
Please look up the word gentrify.
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guru wrote: Please look up the word gentrify.
"gentrify." The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Houghton Mifflin Company, 2004. 18 Jul. 2007. <Dictionary>.
> tr.v. To subject to gentrification
"gentrification." The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Houghton Mifflin Company, 2004. 18 Jul. 2007. <Dictionary>.
> n. The restoration and upgrading of deteriorated urban property by middle-class or affluent people, often resulting in displacement of lower-income people. -
What is the word for poor white people moving into an area of black people?
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as renters?
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Poor
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homeowner wrote: YS, since you've taken on the role of keeper of all that is real, why don't you post some stuff that is positive about what's going on in and around the 'hood?
You people ignore the positive post on this board. When we post events that are happening or meetings you don't show up or come out in support of them so thats a waist of time too.
Its easy to toss stones at the rest of us, but you don't ever seem to be sharing any info of a positive nature either. What businesses deserve community support, what community groups should we know about, who are the people in the nabe that you think deserve some props?
Playing the foil for a bunch of gentrifiers may be fun, but aren't you just as guilty of perpetrating negative sterotypes when you insist that drug dealing and gunshots are part of the fabric of the neighborhood and folks should turn a blind eye because it was that way when they got here?
Young Snitch I got your back. -
homeowner:
first off, i don't particularly like anything about this online community and have little interest in interacting with it other than throwing battery acid at the frequently fucked-up opinions voiced here. it doesn't represent the neighborhood we live in.
secondly, as far as me perpetuating negative stereotypes, you couldn't be further off. i'm the one saying this is a safe, working class neighborhood and that all the hysterical cries about "cleaning it up" are insulting to the people who originally resided here. point blank, this site breeds an attitude of fear and bigotry -- it's more or less a bunch of new residents with a siege mentality that are holed up in their corny little virtual honeycomb hideout. the fact that a slimy racist like Ilikesausage doesn't get laughed off the boards is a testament to baseline ideology of brooklynian.com. -
I don't give a shit weither you think I'm racist or not. Judging by how I treat people of color and how they treat me, I'd say all is well.
I think I missed the post about you saying "this is a nice neighborhood". Maybe it got lost between the "stop snitching" and "Damn hipsters" ones.
I like how you ignore the part where I bebunk the OP's idea. But then again, if you read my post, you'd know I'm not racist. And your argument would go down the shitter. Better just selectivley cut and paste, as so not to have your racial world view distrubed. -
at the risk of sounding like a broken record
(yes i am that old)
i will say again
that while the people who are complaining about the crime, etc on these boards might be primarily the "new residents", the people who are actually DOING something about trying to "clean up" crown heights, ARE the long term residents who are every bit as bothered by noise, guns, drugs and dog sh*t as anyone here
if you don't believe me, just come to a cb8 meeting, a precinct council meeting or any community/block association meeting and see for yourself.
What is probably insulting to the older residents is the assumption that they don't mind living in an area plagued with crime and quality of life issues -
neene wrote: What is probably insulting to the older residents is the assumption that they don't mind living in an area plagued with crime and quality of life issues
I sometimes wonder that if due to nyc's astronomical rents and property values and the fear that one may not be able to find affordable/suitable replacement housing, that older residents at times are forced to not do much but accept living "in an area plagued with crime and quality of life issues".
In other words they know if they clean up an area too well; drug dealers gone, sidewalks clean, storefronts and homes all pretty and spotless, then they'll just be attracting the attention of richer outsiders who would suddenly be attracted to living in their hood.
Its like a vicious catch-22. Run off all the neighborhood shitheads, then you find yourself run off soon after. So you tolerate the shitheads, using them as some sort of protective layer of scum that keeps other from noticing how nice your hood is. -
i have never heard such a sentiment expressed, all i've encountered is outrage that we don't get the same service as other areas and a desire to change that.
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Ilikesausage:
don't ever misrepresent the bol. i've always called crown heights a safe, working class neighborhood. i've never said "damn hipsters".if you read my post, you'd know I'm not racist
i read your post. as a matter of fact, i actually AIMed the link to a few friends just to show them exactly the kind of people who are moving into the neighborhood.
neene:What is probably insulting to the older residents is the assumption that they don't mind living in an area plagued with crime and quality of life issues.
if this is directed towards young sneezy, i can only assume that people are willfully misinterpreting everything i write in order to diminish the healing light of truth that sparkles from every paragraph. just bask in it, topless. all i've ever taken issue with are christopher columbus cocksuckers who plant a flag, sniff the air, and start blabbering about how they live in some wild west ok corral that needs to be cleansed of kids playing dice, people sitting on stoops and moderately-loud annual parties. and their method of mop up: calling the police about everything and anything. i've never said the area is perfect -- i just think the hysteria seen on this website is both unfair and largely steeped in racism, liberal (see: Ilikesausage) or blatant (see: Ilikesausage). -
BoogieKnight wrote: [quote=neene]What is probably insulting to the older residents is the assumption that they don't mind living in an area plagued with crime and quality of life issues
I sometimes wonder that if due to nyc's astronomical rents and property values and the fear that one may not be able to find affordable/suitable replacement housing, that older residents at times are forced to not do much but accept living "in an area plagued with crime and quality of life issues".
In other words they know if they clean up an area too well; drug dealers gone, sidewalks clean, storefronts and homes all pretty and spotless, then they'll just be attracting the attention of richer outsiders who would suddenly be attracted to living in their hood.
Its like a vicious catch-22. Run off all the neighborhood shitheads, then you find yourself run off soon after. So you tolerate the shitheads, using them as some sort of protective layer of scum that keeps other from noticing how nice your hood is.
That's understandable, but things are more complex than that. First off, yes, gentrification would probably be expected. However, stop and look around you. Notice that empty lot over there? That junk yard over here? How about that abandoned building? There is more oppertunity for housing than you think. I don't think the middle class should be pushed out, but it's hard to bring down housing prices when trying to get anything built in this city is a bitch-and-a-half.
I know "fedders housing" is an ugly word, but ultametly, I think it's suitable to the goal of retaining Bed-Stuy's hard working citizens. I feel the city council made a big mistake in not allowing greater leeway to build multi-story buildings on vacant lots. That right there would go a long way towards making room for both long-time resident and newly-minted family alot. -
Subject: Re: Serious question about shootings:
daver wrote: [quote=BrooklynGal]This is serious, and I am troubled about it: Many people around me are starting to voice things along the lines of "If all black males between 17 and 55 were exiled to an island somewhere, our neighborhood would be 95 percent safer." What do we do?
I haven't seen anyone say that. Please provide a link for your quote, as I would like to verify and see it in context. Although in any context I can't imagine I would be able to find it anything other than retarded and asinine.
There is no link for her quote because she doesn't exist. She is a troll that a certain other poster (who shall remain nameless) made up in order to rile people up. or maybe the poster hoped that people would agree with the original post, and thus confirm said poster's beliefs that white people are moving into CH because they are racists who secretly want to get rid of Black men. -
Subject: Truth
I never heard any racist comments about blacks ages 17-55.
There is crime in crown heights but the blacks and whites ages 17-55 are fighting it. -
young snitch wrote: Ilikesausage:
don't ever misrepresent the bol. i've always called crown heights a safe, working class neighborhood. i've never said "damn hipsters".if you read my post, you'd know I'm not racist
i read your post. as a matter of fact, i actually AIMed the link to a few friends just to show them exactly the kind of people who are moving into the neighborhood.
neene:What is probably insulting to the older residents is the assumption that they don't mind living in an area plagued with crime and quality of life issues.
if this is directed towards young sneezy, i can only assume that people are willfully misinterpreting everything i write in order to diminish the healing light of truth that sparkles from every paragraph. just bask in it, topless. all i've ever taken issue with are christopher columbus cocksuckers who plant a flag, sniff the air, and start blabbering about how they live in some wild west ok corral that needs to be cleansed of kids playing dice, people sitting on stoops and moderately-loud annual parties. and their method of mop up: calling the police about everything and anything. i've never said the area is perfect -- i just think the hysteria seen on this website is both unfair and largely steeped in racism, liberal (see: Ilikesausage) or blatant (see: Ilikesausage).
Bring it on. You have done nothing but sat here and made totally baselss accusations. If you really think I'm racist, then why don't you man up and challenge me on what I say. I doubt you could take anything from my posts and prove a) it isn't true and b) It shows some overwhelming bias.
You don't like the fact that I bring the truth, so show people your "truth".
Anyway, this is my last post on the matter barring any real discussion on Snitch's part. I'm gonna go out and enjoy the day being the happy neighborhood racist. -
young snitch wrote: isn't that the mentality of brooklynian.com as an entity? between reporting gunshots, complaining about kids sitting on stoops, bitching about loud parties, and whining about drug dealers on the corner, this site actively propagates the idea that young black males are violent, dangerous criminals. shit, i've never even read a single word about black males (or thinly-cloaked inference towards the demographic) on this site that wasn't negative. all the talk about "cleaning up" the neighborhood is coded language for residential ethnic cleansing.
That is absurd. White people would not move to the neighborhood if they were not comfortable living near black people. I think the point of a community message board is to talk about what is going on and to share information. When people post topics about shootings and drug dealers, they are not being racist, they are expressing concern and asking the community for information and consolation.
^^^ real talk.
I can understand why someone could react negatively to some of the language people use in their posting, and there are certainly plenty of ignorant fools out there (unfortunately even on this site), but I think it's just as racist to make generalizations about white people as it is to make them about black people. -
Buck if you hear gunshots don't go outside with your friends and neighbors unless you are helping the police or calling the police or are the police. You giving me info about random violence means squat but please go to the police station and inform them and not us. Support the local nice clean business and put the others out. 8)
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Ha it's not like I just went online to report the incident last night, I called 911 and then went online to see if anyone had any more info. Because I was curious - who wouldn't be, there was a shooting on my block!
I call the police when I hear gunfire. I wash my hands after using the restroom. And I look both ways before crossing the street. Thanks for your concern though! -
sallright
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The info may mean squat to you, but is important to others.
I think people post on here to inform all others of things to be aware of.
And you're right about telling the police and supporting local businesses.
Thats always a good thing to do anywhere.
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