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Is it safe??? — Brooklynian

Is it safe???

I'm thinking of moving between St. Johns place and Albany Ave. Is it safe for a young female to walk at night?? Thanks
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  • Subject: Re: Is it safe???

    jsm397 wrote: I'm thinking of moving between St. Johns place and Albany Ave. Is it safe for a young female to walk at night?? Thanks

    Your in Brooklyn man. I hate when people ask this question. You have to watch your self when walking at night in any neighborhood.
  • You are a block or less from the albany projects but there is a lot of foot traffic on St Johns.
  • I don't think it is too bad, but then my tolerance level may be different than yours. Take a weeknight and a weekend night and head over and walk around, see for yourself.
  • What kind of stupid question is that?? Almost ANY neighborhood is potentially dangerous for a young lady walking alone late at night.
  • Anonymous wrote: What kind of stupid question is that?? Almost ANY neighborhood is potentially dangerous for a young lady walking alone late at night.
    Crossing the street is potentially dangerous, no need to insult and de deliberately obtuse. Having said that, I find the area reasonably safe and would be OK with it. Your threshold may be different.
  • Daver, thanks for the info. And for the rest of the bitches this question is valid. First, I'm from Philly not Crown Heights therefore I don't know the damn area. Second, some areas are more dangerous than others. Yes, you have to watch yourself everywhere BUT some places will have your ass caught up regardless. So check your attitude. Again, thanks daver
  • Personally, I wouldn't move up that far, the projects are *bad*. In the summer, your street is a noisy outdoor free for all. I almost moved to Albany and Sterling about a year and a half ago, then quickly changed my mind after a few visits in the early evenings and weekends. Crown Heights is lovely in places, but that's the outer frontier right now.

    In case no-one wants to actually say it, my advice is to move a little closer to Prospect Heights, and not past Brooklyn Ave. In this neighborhood, people just put up For Rent signs, it's worth driving around looking for them.

    Good Luck!
  • There are for rent signs on my street, which is directly in the direction sje mentions.
  • P.S. Let me add that I rarely go past Brooklyn on St Johns, and never past Kingston, so take what I say with a grain of salt, or come west a couple blocks. And let me reiterate that a couple strategic visits are invaluable.
  • There is a For Rent sign on a lovely limestone at 895 Park Place, between Nostrand and New York. Just saw it walking the dogs. No affiliation whatsoever. Do your research as usual.
  • There is a for rent in the building next to mine, St. Johns between Nostrand and New York, also, there is no sign, but I am pretty sure there is an apt. or two lightly reno'd coming up quick in my building also.
  • I would not move that close to the Albany Houses. The area is pretty eventful and not that pretty - as a single woman, why would you want to move close to the projects, the fire station and the precinct? You'd be miserable. Anything up to Kingston though is no problem at all, and much nicer!
  • Thank you SO much!!! I will definitely check these areas out. This information will definitely help me out.
  • I am 5:45. I LIVE between Albany and Kingston on Prospect, and I think it's pretty safe. My wife, myself and my neighbors haven't had any significant problems, and I have lived on the bloack since 2001. Additionally, I have witnessed women walking alone on Albany, Kinston and Prospect Place late at night, with no aparent trouble resulting. That said, somethng "could" happen, just as it "could" anywhere else. Dave R, since you "rarely" go past Brooklyn and "never" past Kingston, I think I have a better perspective than you do. I repeat, almost any neighborhood is unsafe for a woman walking alone at night. Walking near the Albany projects MAY be more dangerous than walking along other streets, and then again, it may not be. There's no blanket answer to this question. In my opinion, the question was stupid, and as for insulting, I must say that my language is infinitely more civil than some of the comments I've read on this message board.
  • Well, sure anything could happen anywhere, but the area around the Albany Houses is pretty shady. Why would she move there if she knows it is not nice (not only not safe, but it is not appealing in any way). Plus, I have walked there as a single woman in broad daylight, and trust me, aside from the safety aspect, it's just not pleasant - why would you want to deal with all the hoods and firemen and cops who stare at you like you're naked?
    What I am saying is there are much better parts of the neighborhood that are just more fun, more beautiful, nicer neighbors and not everybody commenting on you as you walk by.
  • Geust, she's asking for opinions, there are of course more than one. I felt nervous up there, I'm a native New Yorker, single female, and a Brooklynite for 8+ years. I was told by the cops at the 78th to stay away from the Albany Projects, and I then went and checked it out myself. I am thrilled you and your family are happy where you are, the neighborhood needs more people like you.
  • Athenee wrote:
    - why would you want to deal with all the hoods and firemen and cops who stare at you like you're naked?
    I'm sure thats a major concern being stared at by Firemen and cops. There must be tons overthere standing around waiting for gentrifiers to stroll through.
    I also don't see why inquiring about safety issues in a neighborhood makes her stupid. In the last month alone theres been a shooting on schenectady and St Johns Plc, 1191 Park plc (Albany Houses), a Police involved shooting on Park Plc and Albany ave. So anyone moving into that area should be concerned. Prospect Between Albany and Kingston does happen to be one of the few quiet blocks in that area, but being in eyesight of the Albany Houses and Brower Park that block provides an easy escape route to safety for criminals.
    P.S. The Chanel Petro Nixon murder(16 yr old girl strangled and stuffed in a garbage bag) from Kingston and Park Plc is still unsolved.

    Mod edit: Fixed your quote tags
  • i always tell folks who come from outside nyc. haven't live here before. to come to bensonhurst :p. it might be farther in but much much more safer!!!!
  • I didn't say it was a major concern being stared at by anyone, but it is annoying. And yes, it is annoying being stared at by cops/firemen because they usually come in groups. And I was talking about the firemen especially here (and no, no dinner at my house any time soon). But in the scheme of things it is not a big deal. All I am saying is that I, as a woman prefer to live in a neighborhood that is safe, beautiful, convenient and where I am not constantly being asked if I am married/ want to chit chat etc.
    Personally, I do not in any way believe that the Chanel Petro Nixon killer is out on the hunt for gentrifiers...god bless her.
  • 5:45 here. First of all, I don't think SHE is stupid, just her question. Secondly, some of your comments are pretty revealing. Athenee, understandably, wants to live in a "safe, beautiful, convenient" neighborhood. Most people do. But, she doesn't like cops and firemen staring at her. I guess if she lived in oh, the West Village, that wouldn't happen. But wait - she can't afford the West Village (I suppose). That's why she lives in Crown Heights. She could find her own small ways to make things better (join a community board or local organization?) but its' probably easier for Athenee and Dave R to disparage part of the neighborhood and stay away from Albany Avenue until they can afford to move or until the projects are re-developed into condos. I'm willing to bet that 10 years ago, neither Athenee or Dave R would have seriously considered living in Crown Heights. But now that it's gentrifying, the areas Athenee and Dave R consider "safe and beautiful" are worth living in. Meanwhile, Brooklyn natives like myself remain here and try - in our own way - to make things better. I'm not saying I face off with major criminals, just that I walk down the street proudly and act like I belong here, and believe me that goes a long way. And I don't let my wife walk the streets late at night, just as I didn't when I lived in Park Slope and Prospect Heights. Transplanted, elistist Manhattanites should also walk - back across the bridge. We can handle things here just fine.
  • Actually, I own a house in Crown Heights and I like it just fine. No need to comment on my finances, I earn a lot of money for someone my age. Probably a lot more than you, 5:45, but I would never want to live in Manhattan for entirely different reasons and never have. Also, mind you, I much appreciate the work of both the NYPD and the FDNY, but I am not a badge bunny and do not want to be treated as such. Also, I get along well with people around here and have friends from all ways of life. Among them a mother of an unarmed kid killed by the NYPD as well as a NYPD sergeant who, as an undercover narcotics was shot and almost killed by a drug dealer. All of them have taught me very well where to go and where not to go and I am not scared walking those streets here, unlike you as Americans I did not grow up to have fear of black people. So please, do live near the projects and look down on everyone while I am out there comforting and taking care of my friends who are a lot more involved in this neighborhood than you could ever be, snobby elite-gentrifier that you are!
  • .ByeTroll.
  • I just love people who trash America. If were so horrbile, then leave.

    You both white, your both not poor, your both gentrifiers. Get over it.
  • You guys are pretty tough on the Internet. I'm from Brooklyn. I've heard every form of insult or threat possible, so your childish raving doesn't work on me, Dave R. "Insults" like "wanker" and "bite me" pretty much let us all know the level of discourse to which you are accustomed. As I said, since I DO "go past Brooklyn on St. John's" and even onto Kingston (shudder), I think I have a better perspective than you. Also, Athenee, I own my house as well and make a fairly good living. I'm willing to bet you don't make more than I do. Also, surprise, surprise I'm black myself, so I don't have a fear of black people, which would be pretty redundant. I'm from East New York, actually. And I don't look down on "everyone," I look down on people who I feel are trying to diss and inaporpriately characterize certain areas of the neighborhood. Read the Brooklyn Paper Crime Blotter. You'll read about plenty of crime. But I guess it's worse when it happens in Crown Heights, huh?
  • Whatever, "Guest", all I can say is that I'm glad that 99% of the people in Crown Heights are real, and relatively cool, and not at all like you. For anyone looking to move here, people like that are WAY more the exception than the rule. It is a nice place, you aren't going to run into anyone like "Guest" on the streets, that type is more of a keyboard commando, so don't sweat it.
  • In that case, Guest, I do apologize for incorrect assumptions. I don't know how much money you make but I know that I make much more than the average American and I could, moneywise, afford to live somewhere else. I chose to live in Crown Height for my relationship, and I like it here just fine and I do feel safe. But this topic was specifically about safety near the projects, and in that sense it makes a huge difference if you are a black male from East New York, or, let's say for argument's sake, a Swedish female. Guess who'll be the one approeached by EVERYBODY. How safe is it really when guys come up close to you with their cars and stop all the time, trying to get you in the car, or come with their bikes way too close to you to "chat". So if someone is asking advice on the internet to move near the projects I will say, no, don't do it. CH itself is fine, I would not live near the Albany Houses if they were on the UES either.
  • I'd just like to remind everyone that its okay to disagree with each other, but it's not okay to insult one another. We do have Rules here, the basic one being be nice or leave.
  • Dave R, how qualified are you to opine about "99% of the people in Crown Heights" when you are afraid to walk beyond Brooklyn on St. John's? And if I am a "keyboard commando," why is it that you are the one who, when faced with a contrary opinion, resorted to threats and insults (the last resort of those who are unable to properly express themselves)?
  • Whoa whoa whoa! Whoever said I was afraid? Not me. I don't have any business over there, so I don't go past Kingston on St. Johns. I mostly hang around Nostrand to Brooklyn, between Lincoln and say St. Marks because that is where I live, Brower Park and whatnot, and get around to many other parts of Crown Heights. Sorry I haven't lived here twenty years and walked every street, as you obviously have. In deference in the board mods, I'll refrain from saying anything more, but you have a serious chip on your shoulder and so a disservice to "your" neighborhood. Maybe it is time for you to take your impressive bank book and fragile wife that can't walk the streets and flee to Manhattan, live us po folk like me and my kids here in Crown Heights.
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