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Bank or Mortgage Broker? — Brooklynian

Bank or Mortgage Broker?

snazzybangs
edited November -1 in Park Slope
Hi all,

Am hoping for a bit of advice, since my husband and I are at the point where we're ready to start looking for an apartment to buy, after renting in the area for more than 8 years. Was wondering what the difference is and if either option was better in some way: should go to a bank to get pre-approved for a mortgage or go through a mortgage broker? I was thinking we'd just go to our bank, but wasn't sure what the pros/cons of a mortgage broker are? Also, if anyone has any recommendations of great mortgage or property brokers in the area, please pass them on!

Thanks! :)

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  • First go to your bank and see what kind of pre-approval you can get. If the amount is sufficient, then it's simple, go through your bank.
    If it looks like the amount may be lower than what you need, then go see a mtge broker. They have relationships with alot of banks, and can get you a good amount. Also they can help negotiate interest rates, depending on your financial situation.
    First Merchants on Berkeley & 7th Avenue has always been dependable.
    their number is 718-230-3400. Speak to Frank Gooden or Tanya Martin.
    they are both nice people.
    Hope this helps.
  • Think about using a mortgage banker instead of a mortgage broker. Here's a description of the difference http://www.tcurranmortgage.com/2007/04/12/im-a-mortgage-banker/

    (no relation to this guy, just see his posts on Craigslist Housing forum all the time.)

    get yourself a copy of and read the New York COOP Bible http://www.amazon.com/New-York-Co-op-Bible-Everything/dp/0312340753
  • A mortgage broker might be a better option for some people. The broker does all the leg work in finding the best rate and you only have to do one application and one application fee. Brokers get a cut, but it should wash out in the end.

    Getting pre-approved is easy, but it is pretty much worthless. A bank will "pre-approve" just about anyone, but you could get denied at underwriting. As a seller, it means nothing to me if someone is pre-approved.

    Also - regarding Trevor Curran. He might be a great guy - I don't know. But he pushes 30 year fixed mortgages almost exclusively. An ARM or IO loan might be a better option for you depending on your circumstances, the type of property you are buying, and how long you plan to live there.

    Good luck!
  • Don't buy yet! The fiasco with sub-prime mortgages has already shaken up the stock market and will be shaking down property prices over the next year or more.

    Wait this one out. Rent for another year and check the prices again.
  • Do not attempt to borrow in the near future unless you are fmae/fmac conforming and have clean credit.

    Getting a pre-approval from a bank is free and lets you start shopping. But for the real thing, a good mortgage broker can save a lot of time and hassle, and get you a better rate than you can get directly from the bank, by submitting more than one application, locking one and floating another, etc. This is particularly useful when rates are changing rapidly.
  • I would have to say don't go with adjustable rates or interest only loans. There are a record amount of foreclosures out there for people who were betting on the rates staying down, not fluctuating or were going to pay additional principal monthly on top of the interest payment due every month.
    The safest bet is going with a fixed rate. You know what your mortgage is going to be every month so you can budget for it. It will go up with taxes, but you'll be able to account for that. When the market fluctuates as it tends to do, you're never going to know exactly what you'll be paying if it's not fixed or if you go with a low ARM to start and it comes to adjust the rate you can end up paying twice what you were previously.
    Being smart in your approach to your mortgage is extremely important. Don't be afraid to ask lots of questions so you really understand what you'r getting into and that it's the right choice for you.
    Good luck
  • ARMs might suit some people, but at the moment the main reason not to get one is that the yield curve is pretty flat and there's only a 0.27% difference between 5/1 and 30-year fixed. You could buy that for 1 point, tax deductible.

    Here's why you don't want to be looking for a non-conforming loan at the moment:
    http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/07/real_estate/jumbo_jam/index.htm?postversion=2007080710
  • My advice: don't buy now. There is still a long way to go (particularly in the NY Tri State area) for property values to drop - which will be the other shoe to drop very very soon. The credit fiasco has just begun...oh, and most certainly stay away from IO's or Optional ARM's. Nasty business if you don't know what you're doing.
  • If you belong to a credit union, check them out. They usually offer competitive rates, low fees and personal service.
  • Subject: funding to buy a house

    We worked with someone at the Bank of NY (a loan officer) who was able to find us an insanely low (fixed) interest rate because when we told him where the house we wanted was located he found a government program that encourage investment in certain neighborhoods, neighborhoods like ours. This guy was really patient and flexible, and understood what we wanted.
    The good thing about knowing what you can afford - what your monthly payments will be - and about getting pre-approved is that then if you're looking for a place you are ready to make an offer right away.
    If you'd like our guy's name let me know - their office recently moved and I have the letter with the new contact information at home.
    Good luck!
  • Be careful with government programs. Make sure that it doesn't curtail any of your use and development rights.
    Also, some programs will prohibit you to raise rents to market levels if the building has apartments.
  • Subject: Google Alert

    Thank you to BrooklynJack for mentioning me here on the forum. I'm quite flattered that you did so.

    Interesting and amusing (and maybe a bit embarrassing, too!), that you linked to my blog article about my being a Mortgage Banker and not a broker. Methinks I was a bit "righteous" when I wrote that.

    The amusing---and potentially embarrassing---part is that, after having posted that tirade, I've now become a mortgage broker!

    Who knew? After 18 years I've finally made the permanent jump to mortgage brokering. I am not officially on board with the new company, yet (that begins next week), so I'm kind of betwixt and between.

    And this was a difficult jump for me as I truly do believe in the banking principle, but market conditions in the NYMetro region are such that---unless HUD makes dramatic changes to the FHA program---the future of mortgage banking in our area is a dismal one.

    Anyway, sorry for the ramble, thanks again to BrooklynJack.

    Google Alerts actually pointed me here. For once it wasn't a link to the field scores for an Irish football team...! :wink:
  • Subject: Mortgage professional or bank?

    To snazzybangs: I'd have to say that nkotsonis is spot on with the advice posted:
    nkotsonis wrote: First go to your bank and see what kind of pre-approval you can get. If the amount is sufficient, then it's simple, go through your bank.
    If it looks like the amount may be lower than what you need, then go see a mtge broker. They have relationships with alot of banks, and can get you a good amount. Also they can help negotiate interest rates, depending on your financial situation.
    I would add that the personal service you receive from a mortgage professional---mortgage banker or mortgage broker---will almost always be of a much higher caliber than what you will receive at your bank.

    I recently refinanced a client who had gone to several local banks and not only could not get answers to her questions, but in two instances (and several visits to each bank branch) she couldn't even find the loan officer!

    At the "mortgage center" of a local savings bank, the clerk handed her an application package, jotted the rates on a piece of paper, and told her to go home, fill out the package and return it.

    A mortgage professional---one who works on commission and only doing mortgage loans---has a vested interest in providing great service and rates. Not only for the basis of making a living, but also to develop a reputation. Experienced mortgage pro's live on referrals based on their reputations.

    To that end, as I have said often on Craigslist, ask family and friends for a referral to an experienced mortgage professional, one with at least five years experience.

    Hope that helps!
  • Jamzer wrote: Also - regarding Trevor Curran. He might be a great guy - I don't know. But he pushes 30 year fixed mortgages almost exclusively. An ARM or IO loan might be a better option for you depending on your circumstances, the type of property you are buying, and how long you plan to live there.
    Jamzer, thanks for the mention; I do appreciate that. But, I should make clear that I DO advise certain clients of the I/O option on 30yr fixed rate mortgages.

    I will provide this financing option if I feel confident the client has understood my lengthy explanation of this product and how the monthly payment changes after the I/O period. In many instances---as you pointed out---this is a viable financing option when a client expects an income increase due to some professional certification (finishing law school) or career enhancement (moving up the "corporate ladder").

    As for ARM's, yup, you're right, I don't do those nasty loans. Don't believe in them and no one can convince me otherwise. I think the news reports of problems in the mortgage industry will bear out my viewpoint on these nasty buggers.

    Just wanted to clarify my viewpoint on these types of loan products. :lol:
  • Although I am currently a renter, I have been a homeowner multiple times over the past ten years, with maybe a dozen different mortgages. I'm far from an expert on this, but especially in todays foreclosure comment, allow me to mention something that hasn't been brought up here. It may be advantageous to you to make sure you get a loan through someone who will actually hold the note, and not ship it off through eighteen different shops. Especially if there is even a _remote_ possibility that you would have trouble with it in the future. I really liked getting a loan and having it stay at one place. The institutions that did that seemed to be MUCH more concerned with me as a person, and more willing to work with me, be it through money troubles or refinances or whatever. The loans that were written and shipped off through different places could be a PITA. Often times the original company washed it hands of it. Where it went to shipped it off. A third (fourth? fifth?) party serviced it, but couldn't do anything other than take the money. Which made even inquiring about the loan a big deal and a pain.

    Just something to think about. When your loan is written, I believe the originator of whatever has to tell you what percentage of loans they service, and what percentage they spin off.
  • By regulation in NYS the loan provider must advise you of the percentage of loans sold in the past three years.

    Here's the rub on the whole "selling the servicing" aspect of mortgage lending: The ability of Lenders to sell loans into the secondary market actually makes it easier for consumers to obtain financing.

    Think about it. If a bank has a fixed amount of capital to lend, based on their depositors' cash, then the bank will make lending decisions based on the best interests of the depositors. That means: conservative. That means, 25% down (or more), perfect credit, perfect job stability, and a valuation technique for the subject property which may likely prove ridiculous when compared to actual market values.

    In my long experience, these types of lending situations have their place. But for the average consumer, loan servicing provides much better access to mortgage money.

    BTW: most commercial lending (apartment buildings, office buildings, hotels, etc.) is done by local banks using the conservative parameters I've described above. These local banks hold the commercial loan in their portfolio. Since I do quite a bit of commercial loan origination, I can tell you, the terms are not pretty.
  • thanks to everyone for their helpful advice. i do think we'll shop around at our bank first and then perhaps contact a broker (trevor, we may be contacting you!). you're all right though, after reading all of this and doing a bit more research, we'll be holding off on buying for a bit - that's definitely the smarter way to go.
  • And ask about first time buyer plans. Sometimes there are offers for that catagory that are better than others can get.
    If you are holding off for a bit (good advice in todays market) you may also want to pay off credit cards and any other bills possible to raise your credit score. That can help alot in securing the best rates possible.
    And by the time you're really ready to buy, the price of homes may drop and you'll be able to get more for your money.
    But one big thing I've always heard and lived by is location, location, location when buying.(my father was a realtor, broker and taught real estate all his life) That is really important when buying. If you can buy the house needing the most work in a good area, it'll be a win/win for you.
    Best of luck :)
  • yes, other people have told me that as well - about the location factor. my husband and i have been saving and have enough for a 10-15% down payment at this point and have near perfect credit (no debts, only student loans). so we'll keep saving saving saving!!
  • Location is key in any real estate decision.

    The other advice I have long given people is to prepare your "wish list" for your dream house and write it down.

    In my opinion, the "dream house" exists only in our minds. We can make any home into that dream---but we have to have the house first! So, it's important not to get hung up on searching, searching, and searching some more for the dream house out there.

    This is where the "wish list" comes in handy. When you have such a list, you can better locate homes that meet most of your criteria---if not all---and then compromise on items from your wish list when you factor in the other variables of your decision-making, such as location, price, affordability.

    Sound complicated? Well, it IS! But, if you are prepared and honest with yourselves, the complicated process becomes just that much easier.

    Hope that helps!
  • Location and the apt potential. Your better off with a nice studio in a doorman building than a cramped 1 bedroom in a 5th floor walk-up

    The best time to think of resale is BEFORE you buy. We had friends that bought and apt, it was a great deal but it was on the second floor of an elevator building and had very little light. Took them a year to get rid of it. Light and quiet are the 2 most looked for amenities in NY real estate.

    Also it is never too soon to just go to open houses and see what there is and what it is going for.
  • The great thing about visiting open houses, or even looking at homes with a Realtor, is it helps you develop a personal "gut sense" for market values in a given neighborhood.

    As much as the 'net is a powerful tool for Homebuyers, there's no substitute for getting out and looking "IRL."

    You're not obligated to buy anything. It's okay to look.
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