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wlevin wrote: It is a great Jewish tradition to order Chinese food on Christmas Eve ...
That cartoon is pretty offensive toward Chinese people. :roll: -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=wlevin]It is a great Jewish tradition to order Chinese food on Christmas Eve ...
That cartoon is pretty offensive toward Chinese people. :roll:
It's offensive to assume the Asian cartoon character is Chinese. -
wlevin wrote: [quote=Carnivore][quote=wlevin]It is a great Jewish tradition to order Chinese food on Christmas Eve ...
That cartoon is pretty offensive toward Chinese people. :roll:
It's offensive to assume the Asian cartoon character is Chinese.
Delivering Chinese food? And exhibiting every classic negative stereotype about Chinese people? The cartoon looks like it was done in the 1930s! -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=wlevin][quote=Carnivore][quote=wlevin]It is a great Jewish tradition to order Chinese food on Christmas Eve ...
That cartoon is pretty offensive toward Chinese people. :roll:
It's offensive to assume the Asian cartoon character is Chinese.
Delivering Chinese food? And exhibiting every classic negative stereotype about Chinese people? The cartoon looks like it was done in the 1930s!
To be fair, isn't it equally offensive toward Jews? Yarmulke-wearing big-nosed sidelock-sporting black coat fellow too cheap to pay for his food?
But let's not turn this thread into another racism discussion ... -
wmlevin, if you're offended by any aspect of the cartoon, why is their link in your signature?
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wlevin wrote: To be fair, isn't it equally offensive toward Jews? Yarmulke-wearing big-nosed sidelock-sporting black coat fellow too cheap to pay for his food?
After looking here: http://shabot6000.com/about.php and realizing you're the author, I can see why you're being defensive about it, but try to look at it objectively. The Jewish character is clearly the protagonist in the cartoon, and the Chinese character is the butt of his joke.
But let's not turn this thread into another racism discussion ...
I think the same theme is explored in a much funnier way in the SNL TV funhouse bit:
http://www.julieklausner.com/media/xmasjews-l.html
I've seen other Shabot 6000 cartoons that were funny. This one just isn't your best work.
The "testimonials" section on your "about the author" page is hilarious, btw. -
brooklynpotter wrote: wmlevin, if you're offended by any aspect of the cartoon, why is their link in your signature?
I don't find the cartoon offensive. -
Interestingly, TV Funhouse seems to get away just fine with stereotypes: Asian waiter with slanty eyes, black woman with broad nose and full lips, Jews with glasses and longer noses, even a gentile mom with a goyish little upturned nose.
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yeah, i'm not finding them so funny.
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wlevin wrote: But let's not turn this thread into another racism discussion ...
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why the heck not?
you author a racist cartoon and post it to this board and then suggest nobody should discuss racism? dude, don't put it out there if you don't want anyone to talk about it . . . -
You know what the cartoon remind me of, Christian rock. It had the same sort of cloying quality to it. It seems like whenever religion tries to artifically appropriate hipness this happens. Art criticism is not my thing thoguh so please don't take offense.
As for if it's offensive, someone else pointed out that the chinese (or as you disingenously intimated, Asian) guy was offensive. I like ethnic jokes so I'm cool with it, but it is very stereotypical. I'm not surprised by the reaction you're getting to it, or for that matter to your reactions.
Shalom Brother. -
wlevin wrote: Interestingly, TV Funhouse seems to get away just fine with stereotypes: Asian waiter with slanty eyes, black woman with broad nose and full lips, Jews with glasses and longer noses, even a gentile mom with a goyish little upturned nose.
Those aren't really offensive stereotypes though are they? One could also say that its a steretype to portray a black person with brown skin when in fact lots of American Black people are more beige or even white-skinned (like Colin Powell). Yet, typically black people do have brown skin and fuller lips. And I have actually met a lot of Jewish people with big noses. There is a fine line here between "stereotype" and "common characteristics" -
Precious Williams wrote: [quote=wlevin]Interestingly, TV Funhouse seems to get away just fine with stereotypes: Asian waiter with slanty eyes, black woman with broad nose and full lips, Jews with glasses and longer noses, even a gentile mom with a goyish little upturned nose.
Those aren't really offensive stereotypes though are they? One could also say that its a steretype to portray a black person with brown skin when in fact lots of American Black people are more beige or even white-skinned (like Colin Powell). Yet, typically black people do have brown skin and fuller lips. And I have actually met a lot of Jewish people with big noses. There is a fine line here between "stereotype" and "common characteristics"
Yeah, this is kind of what I was thinking. It's one thing to have subtle features that identify a character as being of a certain race, but the kind of gross stereotype in the Shabbot 6000 cartoon is another thing entirely. -
Subject: Wait until the U.F.O.s land
Precious Williams wrote: [quote=wlevin]Interestingly, TV Funhouse seems to get away just fine with stereotypes: Asian waiter with slanty eyes, black woman with broad nose and full lips, Jews with glasses and longer noses, even a gentile mom with a goyish little upturned nose.
Those aren't really offensive stereotypes though are they? One could also say that its a steretype to portray a black person with brown skin when in fact lots of American Black people are more beige or even white-skinned (like Colin Powell). Yet, typically black people do have brown skin and fuller lips. And I have actually met a lot of Jewish people with big noses. There is a fine line here between "stereotype" and "common characteristics"
I don’t understand why in today's American culture a person with an ounce of African ancestry – who might have numerous “white†European ancestors – is called "black" by "black" and "white" people alike, even if the “bi-racial†person has very pale skin. How pale does your skin have to be to be labeled “white�
Just wait until the aliens land. All of us humans will look identical to them before they pulverize all of us. -
Subject: Re: Wait until the U.F.O.s land
raw wrote: [quote=Precious Williams][quote=wlevin]Interestingly, TV Funhouse seems to get away just fine with stereotypes: Asian waiter with slanty eyes, black woman with broad nose and full lips, Jews with glasses and longer noses, even a gentile mom with a goyish little upturned nose.
Those aren't really offensive stereotypes though are they? One could also say that its a steretype to portray a black person with brown skin when in fact lots of American Black people are more beige or even white-skinned (like Colin Powell). Yet, typically black people do have brown skin and fuller lips. And I have actually met a lot of Jewish people with big noses. There is a fine line here between "stereotype" and "common characteristics"
I don’t understand why in today's American culture a person with an ounce of African ancestry – who might have numerous “white†European ancestors – is called "black" by "black" and "white" people alike, even if the “bi-racial†person has very pale skin. How pale does your skin have to be to be labeled “white�
Just wait until the aliens land. All of us humans will look identical to them before they pulverize all of us.
Wasn't this thing started by white racist slave "owners"? I believe they would often keep their own offspring (born from the rape of slave women) as slaves and call them black even when they were three-quarters or more white. At this late stage, if people who are genetically-speaking, predominately white call themselves black, I think that's their business. I'm not about to argue. -
Subject: Re: Wait until the U.F.O.s land
raw wrote:
The problem is that most "black" people in this country are actually "multi-racial". There was a show on PBS last year that traced the ancestry of a number of prominent blacks (I just remember Whoopi Goldberg and Chris Tucker). In addition to tracing their ancestry they did DNA tests to determine their genetic makeup. Henry Louis Gates was host and he talked about the fact that the average African-American is 20% European genetically. In this country appearance is what determines racial identity not genetic makeup or personal preference. Its what makes Wentworth Miller white and Tiger Woods black (or at best not white) even though they both are bi-racial.
I don’t understand why in today's American culture a person with an ounce of African ancestry – who might have numerous “white†European ancestors – is called "black" by "black" and "white" people alike, even if the “bi-racial†person has very pale skin. How pale does your skin have to be to be labeled “white�
Just wait until the aliens land. All of us humans will look identical to them before they pulverize all of us. -
Subject: Re: Wait until the U.F.O.s land
homeowner wrote: Wentworth Miller
IMDb wrote: He is of African, Jamaican, English, and German descent on his father's side, and of Russian, French, Dutch, Syrian and Lebanese descent on his mother's side.
:shock: That's hella diversity in one person... -
Subject: Re: Wait until the U.F.O.s land
In the South in the days of the Jim Crow laws, you were considered black if you had even "a drop" of black blood. Any black ancestry at all made you legally black, even if it was just one great-grandparent and even if you looked white. Many blacks who looked white hid their ancestry and "passed" for white, so now many white people are discovering through DNA tests that they actually have black ancestry. -
Subject: Re: Wait until the U.F.O.s land
homeowner wrote: [quote=raw]
The problem is that most "black" people in this country are actually "multi-racial". There was a show on PBS last year that traced the ancestry of a number of prominent blacks (I just remember Whoopi Goldberg and Chris Tucker). In addition to tracing their ancestry they did DNA tests to determine their genetic makeup. Henry Louis Gates was host and he talked about the fact that the average African-American is 20% European genetically. In this country appearance is what determines racial identity not genetic makeup or personal preference. Its what makes Wentworth Miller white and Tiger Woods black (or at best not white) even though they both are bi-racial.
I don’t understand why in today's American culture a person with an ounce of African ancestry – who might have numerous “white†European ancestors – is called "black" by "black" and "white" people alike, even if the “bi-racial†person has very pale skin. How pale does your skin have to be to be labeled “white�
Just wait until the aliens land. All of us humans will look identical to them before they pulverize all of us.
There was alot to think about in that PBS DNA testing thing. Oprah was 100% Black (and delighted), and Skip Gates was almost 100% white. Identification can make you Black or White, not just appearance.
Anyone a fan of Adrian Piper? A conceptual artist, she is a light skinned Black woman who did very cool challenging projects about race and racism. She had a card she would hand out to people talking shit who thought she was white...
"The Color of Water" is a dual autobiography of a Black man and his Jewish mother (she called herself light skinned) living in the Red Hook projects in the late '60s. He didn't know his mom was white when he was little....
What tips that internet cartoon for me is that the VISUAL of the Jew stereotype is a person that exists in my world, where the 1930's coolie that delivers the food bears no resemblance to anyone around here.
But Carnivore already rocked that one rather masterfully... -
The idea of "objectively" classifying any single person in one particular ethnic groups is absurd. You can always divide and subdivide, and groups that seem totally homogeneous from an outsiders point of view are often seen as completely heterogeneous from within the group. How many Americans view "Africans" or "Indians" or "Chinese" as single ethnic groups, for example?
The only legimate way to assign such identities is to let people decide for themselves. If a Korean-American says he's American, then you should respect that; if he identifies more as Korean, then respect that. Same goes with black and white, and all other identities. I personally consider myself a New Yorker. -
escap wrote: The only legimate way to assign such identities is to let people decide for themselves. If a Korean-American says he's American, then you should respect that; if he identifies more as Korean, then respect that. Same goes with black and white, and all other identities. I personally consider myself a New Yorker.
That is the same way I think. My son is biracial and when he is asked what nationality he is he says he is an Irish Puerto Rican. -
Um, I just wanted my Hunan Delight site back...
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pitu wrote: [quote=wlevin]But let's not turn this thread into another racism discussion ...
oy
why the heck not?
you author a racist cartoon and post it to this board and then suggest nobody should discuss racism? dude, don't put it out there if you don't want anyone to talk about it . . .
Racism is in the eye of the racist. -
Subject: Re: Wait until the U.F.O.s land
homeowner wrote: [quote=raw]
The problem is that most "black" people in this country are actually "multi-racial". There was a show on PBS last year that traced the ancestry of a number of prominent blacks (I just remember Whoopi Goldberg and Chris Tucker). In addition to tracing their ancestry they did DNA tests to determine their genetic makeup. Henry Louis Gates was host and he talked about the fact that the average African-American is 20% European genetically. In this country appearance is what determines racial identity not genetic makeup or personal preference. Its what makes Wentworth Miller white and Tiger Woods black (or at best not white) even though they both are bi-racial.
I don’t understand why in today's American culture a person with an ounce of African ancestry – who might have numerous “white†European ancestors – is called "black" by "black" and "white" people alike, even if the “bi-racial†person has very pale skin. How pale does your skin have to be to be labeled “white�
Just wait until the aliens land. All of us humans will look identical to them before they pulverize all of us.
I think what you mean is that a lot of black Americans are biracial There are a sizeable number of African immigrants in this country (like myself) not descended from slavery, who are presumably 100% African. -
wlevin wrote: [quote=pitu][quote=wlevin]But let's not turn this thread into another racism discussion ...
oy
why the heck not?
you author a racist cartoon and post it to this board and then suggest nobody should discuss racism? dude, don't put it out there if you don't want anyone to talk about it . . .
Racism is in the eye of the racist.
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wlevin wrote: Racism is in the eye of the racist.
Brilliant. You could do spin control for George Allen. -
Rose wrote: [quote=wlevin]Racism is in the eye of the racist.
Brilliant. You could do spin control for George Allen.
Come on. Aren't these cartoon characters quite obviously stereotypes exaggerated to the point of absurdity? isn't wlevin is playing off our collective understanding of classic racist stereotypes? These seem like parodies of stereotypes. -
dailyheights wrote: [quote=Rose][quote=wlevin]Racism is in the eye of the racist.
Brilliant. You could do spin control for George Allen.
Come on. Aren't these cartoon characters quite obviously stereotypes exaggerated to the point of absurdity? isn't wlevin is playing off our collective understanding of classic racist stereotypes? These seem like parodies of stereotypes.
Parodying them to what end? What was the point of the cartoon exactly? I don't think the "humor" went much beyond the stereotype itself. -
meanwhile, all the hoo-ha that's been created by wlevin's cartoon likely has his site getting lots of hits and, i'd hazard a guess, creating exactly the kind of stir it may have been meant to. bravo.
my two cents, if you care: the cartoon is filled with moronic, childish, stereotypes. my grandfather would have said it was the kind of thing that makes jews look bad; i'm not so sure i disagree.
but again, a stir has been created. bravo. new topic. -
brooklynpotter wrote: meanwhile, all the hoo-ha that's been created by wlevin's cartoon likely has his site getting lots of hits and, i'd hazard a guess, creating exactly the kind of stir it may have been meant to. bravo.
Ditto what BP says, and I would add that they fact that the creator has next to nothing to say to our questions and comments despite being a registered user aware of the topic, is particularly offputting. C'mon dude, we're a diverse community, we'd like to understand. Perhaps I'm missing out on a seminal bit of Jewish Humor?
my two cents, if you care: the cartoon is filled with moronic, childish, stereotypes. my grandfather would have said it was the kind of thing that makes jews look bad; i'm not so sure i disagree.
but again, a stir has been created. bravo. new topic.
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