NYPost forces out principal of city school, Khalil Gib
Principal of Controversial Arabic-Themed Brooklyn School ResignsBrooklyn Eagle (above) has the best coverage, and the NYTimes City Room blog has it here
Unrelated Group’s ‘Intifada’ T-Shirts Final Straw
By Mary Frost
Brooklyn Daily Eagle
Khalil Gibran International Academy’s principal Debbie Almontaser, criticized for comments to The New York Post earlier this week that appeared to condone "Intifada NYC" T-shirts, has resigned, according the New York City Department of Education.
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Khalil Gibran -- the first public school that will expose upper-school students to Middle Eastern language and culture – is slated to open in September at 345 Dean Street in Boerum Hill, sharing space with Brooklyn High School of the Arts and the Math and Science Exploratory School.
(the rest of the story here)
I am so disgusted. The racist campaign over at the NYPost (they started by calling the Khalil Gibran Academy a "madrassa") was very successful in bringing down a respected educator, and threatens the existence of this very excellent school. Because they are going to teach the Arabic language there! It's a secular school, run by the Board of Ed. What kind of xenophobic racist idiot would think NYC would run a madrassa?
This school was supposed to be around the corner from me in Park Slope. Then the parents there were hollering about jamming a second school into the limited space. So they moved it to Boerum Hill. Now the NYPost is being allowed to kill it, and it's a total outrage.
The board of education should be ashamed in not supporting this woman more -- they hired her (and no doubt vetted her very thoroughly) -- then hung her out to dry.
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Oh please. Supporting hatred? Guised in politically correct terms? I think not.
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What are you talking about, chipster?
It was a language school.
The federal government gave your tax dollars to NYC to teach Chinese and Arabic.
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Here's the story from ch7
Note that the stupid tshirt had only the flimsiest relationship to the teacher. A group of teenage girls put out an inflammatory tshirt. That's teens for you. This teacher is on the board of a group that is in the same building as the teens group. I fail to see how she is responsible, or how this negates the woman's entire career.
Not to mention, however stupid or inflammatory, those girls have a 1st Amendment right to free speech.
Principal of English-Arabic school resigns amid T-shirt controversy
WABC By Art McFarland
(Brooklyn - WABC, August 10, 2007) - The embattled principal of Brooklyn's controversial English-Arabic school resigned Friday morning amid a firestorm over her failure to immediately condemn T-shirts with the message "Intifada NYC."
Principal Debbie Almontaser encountered the backlash, including from United Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten, over the shirts.
Mayor Bloomberg said Almontaser submitted her resignation this morning.
"She really does care, and she said something a couple days ago, she got a question, she's not all that media savvy maybe, and she tried to explain a word rather than just condemn," Bloomberg said on his radio show.
"But I think she felt she had become the focus of, rather than having the school the focus, and so today she submitted her resignation, which is nice of her to do. And I appreciate all her service, and I think she's right to do so."
The controversial "Intifada NYC" shirts are sold by the activist group Arab Women Active in Arts and Media that operates out of the same office as a Yemeni-American association that Almontaser represents.
Rather than denounce the shirts, Almontaser tried to explain that "intifada" means "shaking off" and the shirts represented women "shaking off" oppression. She later condemned the T-shirt message's connection to Palestinian terrorism.
The school, the Khalil Gibran International Academy, was envisioned by Almontaser as a multicultural institution serving grades 6-12 for native Arabic speakers and students wanting to learn the language.
Students would become fluent in both languages while immersed in Arab culture and history under her plan.
At least for the first year there will only be a handful of sixth-grade students able to enjoy the boxes of books and textbooks translated into Arabic that Almontaser ordered.
Bloomberg defended the idea for the school, saying it is important to cultivate Arabic-speaking New Yorkers.
"Having an Arabic language dual language school is a really important thing," he said. "Down the road we need Arabic language speakers in this city."
The mayor said the search for a new principal is already underway.
"I understand why this is controversial," he said. "I think we'll find a principal that will be able to carry on the mission. This is part of the educational process of a diverse city."
The school is at 345 Dean Street in the Boerum Hill section, the same building as the Brooklyn High School of the Arts and the Math and Science Exploratory School.
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Too bad Debbie Almontaser didn't have the political sense to walk away from the question to begin with and too bad she didn't reject the generally understood meaning of intifada. And, it seems to me that Randi Weingarten hastened her exit more than the NY Post.
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After knowing how hard the fight would be to have her school accepted by the general public (an ignorant and scared bunch, when it comes to Islam etc) it seems DOWNRIGHT IMPLAUSIBLE that she would even ACCEPT a call from the NY POST for comment. WHY would you do that? WHY would you even attempt to rationalize the use of Intifada? WHY wouldn't you just say 1st Amendment applies to all (even though this might come close to fire in a crowded movie theater), of NO COMMENT!!!!!
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WTF?
What does "Intifada NYC" mean exactly and what was it the T-Shirt was promoting? The only context I have ever heard that term is in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
What was the message, if any? Does intifada have another meaning?
Do they want an Intifada here in NYC?
If I saw a T-Shirt , for example, on a white guy that read "Master Race" on it, I'd be a interested in what it meant..wouldn't you? -
Okay, what if it was a Che tshirt, or Revolution NYC?
It's teens looking for a symbol of power. My mom torn up a "Fuck Art, Let's Dance" thing I had at that age. The power of swearing....
It was stupidly naive to talk to the Post, since they are bound to misquote and twist words. I followed this story all week -- the next day, there was an apology, which the Post made fun of because it was obviously fabricated by the Board of Ed press office. I don't think Almontaser had anything to apologize for -- her comments in the original story were thoughtful, even taken out of context.
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pitu wrote: Okay, what if it was a Che tshirt, or Revolution NYC?
Right, but what does "intifada" mean in this instance?
It's teens looking for a symbol of power. My mom torn up a "Fuck Art, Let's Dance" thing I had at that age. The power of swearing....
It was stupidly naive to talk to the Post, since they are bound to misquote and twist words. I followed this story all week -- the next day, there was an apology, which the Post made fun of because it was obviously fabricated by the Board of Ed press office. I don't think Almontaser had anything to apologize for -- her comments in the original story were thoughtful, even taken out of context.
Then Randi Weingarten made some comment and it was all over. WTF?
I've only heard it in use by Palestinians while killing Jews in Israel.
Please elaborate.
I think the confusion also comes form the fact that people were told that this is an Arabic language school and NOT a madrassa, but then the phrase 'Islamic' school keeps getting interchanged with Arabic...even by the supporters who say it is not a religious school...see what I am saying?
Also, why hasn't this school submitted a curriculum like all other public schools yet and what does a public language school need a 'religious council'?
P.S. You have every right to wear a che g. t-shirt. Your employer has every right to take offense and ask that you remove it or leave the premises. You may continue to wear the T-shirt .That's how it works. -
That's just the kind of question that would have some press-naive educator say, 'well the root of the word is . . . the dictionary says . . . '
Right, but what does "intifada" mean in this instance?
I've only heard it in use by Palestinians while killing Jews in Israel.
Please elaborate.
And then it's off to the races for the NYPost reporter. See how that works?
The school had nothing to do with the tshirt.
Almontaser had nothing to do with the tshirt.
You can read it in the NYTimes this morning...Also, why hasn't this school submitted a curriculum like all other public schools
What I read everywhere but the wingnut right blogs and NYPost is that they have a standard NYC public school curriculum, with five years of language instead of the standard two. When you go to the similar Chinese or Russian or Greek school, you get the same thing. Languages are usually taught using some cultural context -- doesn't everybody make crepes or something in French class?what does a public language school need a 'religious council'?
If I was opening anything in NYC that had an Arabic language component, I'd make sure I had the support of community leaders across the religious spectrum, to make clear I wasn't running a school for one group only. People are bound to mistake Arabic with Islamic, so you'd have to educate them about that constantly. It would be nice to have a rabbi and minister on your side to explain the difference.
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Arabic intifa, shudder, awakening, uprising, from intifaa, to be shaken, wake up, derived stem of nafaa, to shake; see np in Semitic roots.
Words have consequences -we all know that - and some words, laden as they are with historical context and emotional response, have even greater consequences.
I'm more troubled by the fact that Park Slope parents threatened their own intifada against the school when it's first proposed location was in the building that houses Public School 282.
Evidently Park Slope dissension is heard more then that from any other Brooklyn neighborhood.
No Park Slope parent should feel proud of that hollow victory.
I personally hope that the school survives and flourishes - we need a school like this - in fact, I believe our common good is ultimately best sered by having schools like this. -
Okay, So I continued to read up on this and I do understand the origin of the word "intifada".
I also now understand that the principal had nothing to do with the T-Shirt and was probably trying to be "too intellectual" over a very emotional issue for many when explaining the "definition" of the word rather than its inappropriate use. ( The Swastika, reversed, has an origin too from China, but c'mon dudes: http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/swas.html )
I also see that the 'religious council' has Reverends, Imams and Rabbis on it. I still think religion has NO place in a PUBLIC school - even for explanations. I did fine in public school in Spanish class and chemistry with no Catholic Priest checking my homework, thank you.
If this school will provide more NEEDED Arabic speakers, then so be it - we need them. It is a beautiful language and history.
But here is why I think this school ( and "Islamic programs") runs in to a problems (I don't agree that it is 'right', but here it goes and pardon my crude explanations, I'm trying to keep it as concise as possible):
For starters, people don't have a fear of Islam, Arabic per se, but is that overall perceived theme of "otherness" or separatism that seems to be promoted (by many but not all) in the Islamic community.
I am talking about ISLAM here and not Arabic language.
Understandably, we are talking about a religion here and ALL religions in some way promote this. Williamsburg Hasidim communities, one could argue, also function by being separate from 'mainstream' society (I could be more eloquent, but bear with me) and they have their own...everything: schools, buses, stores, etc. I could be wrong and will stand corrected if proven wrong but - They do NOT ask for anyone to give them anything.: no accommodations in PUBLIC schools, no special prayer areas, foot baths, etc. There are Kosher meals in many places though...but EVERYONE can eat them if they want.
So I see similarities and neither one alone is necessarily bad.
However, in SOME Islamic examples (not necessarily Arab, mind you), SOME are "requesting" changes to the mainstream/public society to accommodate their religion and if anyone dares say anything to the contrary, they are called ignorant, islama-phobes and racists... but that is also unfair when argued on the points alone.
Here is are some (admittedly unrelated) examples of what I mean:
Some say schools giving Muslims special treatment
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2007-07-25-muslim-special-treatment-from-schools_N.htm
College's foot bath plans spark backlash
Project for Muslim students draws accusation U-M Dearborn is giving faith favored treatment.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070605/SCHOOLS/706050368
Minnesota's Muslim cab drivers face crackdown
http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN1633289220070417
Society would benefit from people keeping beliefs to themselves
http://www.statenews.com/op_article.phtml?pk=29415
Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork ( then don't work at Target!!!)
http://www.buzz.mn/?q=node/898&page=2
These examples DO NOT have to do with the Brooklyn school, but they linger in the minds of many and cause them concern or even fear (right or wrong). The fear is that becuase they demand these changes using PUBLIC funds, they are trying to "ISLAM-ATIZE" American society. Islam IS the fastest growing religion in the world...how do you think it grows...?
The examples are in a long list of some in the Islamic faith demanding perceived special treatment, using PUBLIC funding....or else....(you're a racist)
Then this STUPID T-shirt is being promoted/sold somewhere by these women, who undoubtedly feel oppressed by...someone or something...TBD.. that makes reference, let's be honest, to the Palestinian/ Israeli VIOLENT conflict. Don't EVEN trip about that one.
That kind of Sh*t doensn't fly in heavily Jewish populated ( PS/ BoCoCa), affluent communities in Brooklyn, NY.
PS: Why can't Arabic language just be taught in a public school as a class like Spanish, French, German or Italian? That way even MORE people would learn it, right? -
NYTimes/Education
How New Arabic School Aroused Old Rivalries
By JULIE BOSMAN and JENNIFER MEDINA
Published: August 15, 2007
The good intentions behind opening an Arabic school in New York ran straight into the treacherous ethnic and ideological political currents of the city.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/15/education/15school.html?ex=1344916800&en=b93c3e0ddaddd81c&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink -
SevenOneEighty wrote:
the "special treatment" argument came up a lot during my education in reference to jewish kids getting yom kippur, etc, off. of course, we already had christmas off, and easter too, since the christian sabbath is a holiday every week in this country....
I also see that the 'religious council' has Reverends, Imams and Rabbis on it. I still think religion has NO place in a PUBLIC school - even for explanations. I did fine in public school in Spanish class and chemistry with no Catholic Priest checking my homework, thank you.
If this school will provide more NEEDED Arabic speakers, then so be it - we need them. It is a beautiful language and history.
But here is why I think this school ( and "Islamic programs") runs in to a problems (I don't agree that it is 'right', but here it goes and pardon my crude explanations, I'm trying to keep it as concise as possible):
For starters, people don't have a fear of Islam, Arabic per se, but is that overall perceived theme of "otherness" or separatism that seems to be promoted (by many but not all) in the Islamic community.
I am talking about ISLAM here and not Arabic language.
Understandably, we are talking about a religion here and ALL religions in some way promote this. Williamsburg Hasidim communities, one could argue, also function by being separate from 'mainstream' society (I could be more eloquent, but bear with me) and they have their own...everything: schools, buses, stores, etc. I could be wrong and will stand corrected if proven wrong but - They do NOT ask for anyone to give them anything.: no accommodations in PUBLIC schools, no special prayer areas, foot baths, etc. There are Kosher meals in many places though...but EVERYONE can eat them if they want.
So I see similarities and neither one alone is necessarily bad.
However, in SOME Islamic examples (not necessarily Arab, mind you), SOME are "requesting" changes to the mainstream/public society to accommodate their religion and if anyone dares say anything to the contrary, they are called ignorant, islama-phobes and racists... but that is also unfair when argued on the points alone.
Here is are some (admittedly unrelated) examples of what I mean:
Some say schools giving Muslims special treatment
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2007-07-25-muslim-special-treatment-from-schools_N.htm
College's foot bath plans spark backlash
Project for Muslim students draws accusation U-M Dearborn is giving faith favored treatment.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070605/SCHOOLS/706050368
Minnesota's Muslim cab drivers face crackdown
http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN1633289220070417
Society would benefit from people keeping beliefs to themselves
http://www.statenews.com/op_article.phtml?pk=29415
Some Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork ( then don't work at Target!!!)
http://www.buzz.mn/?q=node/898&page=2
These examples DO NOT have to do with the Brooklyn school, but they linger in the minds of many and cause them concern or even fear (right or wrong). The fear is that becuase they demand these changes using PUBLIC funds, they are trying to "ISLAM-ATIZE" American society. Islam IS the fastest growing religion in the world...how do you think it grows...?
The examples are in a long list of some in the Islamic faith demanding perceived special treatment, using PUBLIC funding....or else....(you're a racist)
one reason, i would think, to make the kinds of concessions you're mentioning is to decrease the separatism of the islamic community -- the idea being that muslim parents would be more likely to send their kids to public school if they could pray, and that by becoming involved in the pluralist environment of said school, the parents and kids would be less isolated. c.f. the girls in france who said their fathers would no longer allow them to go to school if they were not allowed to wear head scarves. the hassidim have many reasons to remain insular, but is it so great for the city that they do so?
i'm totally with you on the target thing, btw -- i think their pharmacists should have to fill birth control scrips, too. (they don't even have to touch those -- they come in special cases already. :roll: ) -
I don't think that praying was going to be allowed in this school. This was a language school, wasn't it? All of the kids who registered for the school were not Muslim.
Of course, I'm fairly certain the major Jewish holidays are days off in the NY public schools. They were where we lived in New Jersey. -
"I don't think that praying was going to be allowed in this school. "
My daughter attends a public elementary school here in PS and Muslim students are allowed to leave the classroom for prayer at least once per schoolday (sometimes twice, depending on time of year). -
I did fine in public school in Spanish class and chemistry with no Catholic Priest checking my homework
christianity is totally pushed in public school. i went to public school in brooklyn and was not a christian until my mother felt huge pressure to start taking us to church. i was not allowed to talk about our spiritual practices and will never forget a 3rd grade teacher who damn near had a heart attack when i told her i didn't believe jesus was the son of god. eventually we started integrating the jesus thing into what we believed but it definitely left a few scars. -
lmboogie wrote:
See, that whole experience must have sucked, but I have to assume this was also more than 25 years ago....a very different time in America -pre-internet (15 years ago was also a different time too). I wish we could keep the whole religion/ public school thing as separate as possible.I did fine in public school in Spanish class and chemistry with no Catholic Priest checking my homework
christianity is totally pushed in public school. i went to public school in brooklyn and was not a christian until my mother felt huge pressure to start taking us to church. i was not allowed to talk about our spiritual practices and will never forget a 3rd grade teacher who damn near had a heart attack when i told her i didn't believe jesus was the son of god. eventually we started integrating the jesus thing into what we believed but it definitely left a few scars.
I don't want to get in to a huge religion discussion on this thread....i'm just saying.
But regarding the school, it looks like enrollment is very sparse right now but it will probably grow. I'm still not sure why this language school is funded by tax dollars?one reason, i would think, to make the kinds of concessions you're mentioning is to decrease the separatism of the islamic community -- the idea being that muslim parents would be more likely to send their kids to public school if they could pray, and that by becoming involved in the pluralist environment of said school, the parents and kids would be less isolated. c.f. the girls in france who said their fathers would no longer allow them to go to school if they were not allowed to wear head scarves. the hassidim have many reasons to remain insular, but is it so great for the city that they do so?
Okay, I can see that as an argument, however, where will it end? Seriously, when will it be enough? What is the metric for completion/ satisfaction?
Shall we separate the men and women who are not married to make them more comfortable? You know, this is still America and no one is going to keep you from practicing religion, but I don't think this is the way the country should go. Enough with the use of public funding though.
The Hassidim don't bother me at all - they don't bother anyone really.
I think it is their intention to remain neutral...seems to be working.
Is there another public school in NYC or America that is specifically geared towards one language? I honestly don't know the answer, but if there is then it would be a good argument FOR the school.
I also think the principals INITIAL response about the T-shirts (she shares(ed) an office with the women who made it) was telling of her political mindset...Can you imagine Don Imus defending the use of the confederate flag or a burning cross?...c'mon....seriously. -
she shouldn't have commented on 'intifada", i agree, but do keep in mind that she (and, i'm guessing, the teenagers who made the shirts) speaks arabic and therefore knows the word in more than one context. it's not quite the same as a burning cross. (and if being in the same building as someone with a confederate flag were enough to get a principal fired, we'd be real short-handed, i'm guessing. heck, i've gone to meetings in the same building as boy scout troops, who won't let gay folks or atheists be members.)
other language schools:
i've only done a very quick search, but two others in the nyc public schools are amistad dual language academy (40-60% of class day entirely in spanish; sounds like a really cool place) and brooklyn latin (since latin is rarely spoken anymore, classes are in english, but students do all take latin and all classes seem to incorporate a focus on classical roman culture.)
here's another arabic-focus public school, in -- brace yourself -- wild, cosmopolitan GEORGIA. http://www.amanaacademy.org/ maybe nyc just isn't sophisticated to handle this kind of thing. -
sweet tea wrote: she shouldn't have commented on 'intifada", i agree, but do keep in mind that she (and, i'm guessing, the teenagers who made the shirts) speaks arabic and therefore knows the word in more than one context.
That may be, but the shirt's message isn't in written in Arabic. It's in English, and for English-speakers, "intifada" lacks those extra connotations. If the teens never meant for people to think of the Palestinian cause (and I find that hard to believe), then they were foolish to choose that slogan.
That said, I can't see what the shirts have to do with Gibran or the school. Why was she even asked about them? This seems like a case of the media creating news instead of reporting it.
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Anonymous wrote: "I don't think that praying was going to be allowed in this school. "
Everyone is allowed to leave the classroom to pray if required by their religion or to form religious prayer groups. That's very different from having prayer led by a teacher in the classroom and nothing like that was ever going to take place. People have a hard time understanding the difference.
My daughter attends a public elementary school here in PS and Muslim students are allowed to leave the classroom for prayer at least once per schoolday (sometimes twice, depending on time of year). -
sprite wrote:
I agree, on both those points. She was asked about the shirts because someone at the press office of the DoEd is either a ninny or hates the school. I'm guessing ninny.
That said, I can't see what the shirts have to do with Gibran or the school. Why was she even asked about them? This seems like a case of the media creating news instead of reporting it.
I think the school is a good idea - the government has a huge need for Arabic speakers, so why not pay for their education with public money?
There's a number of these extra language schools in the NYC public system -- Chinese, Greek, Korean, Spanish, Russian. Most of them are funded with Bill Gates foundation $$$, not city tax dollars at this point.
http://www.insideschools.org/nv/NV_dual_language_aug07.php?hp
http://schools.nyc.gov/Offices/ChildrenFirst/PublicSchoolEmpowerment/SupportOrganizations/PSO/New+Visions+for+Public+Schools+PSO.htm -
sprite wrote: [quote=sweet tea]she shouldn't have commented on 'intifada", i agree, but do keep in mind that she (and, i'm guessing, the teenagers who made the shirts) speaks arabic and therefore knows the word in more than one context.
That may be, but the shirt's message isn't in written in Arabic. It's in English, and for English-speakers, "intifada" lacks those extra connotations. If the teens never meant for people to think of the Palestinian cause (and I find that hard to believe), then they were foolish to choose that slogan.
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pitu wrote: [quote=sprite]
I agree, on both those points. She was asked about the shirts because someone at the press office of the DoEd is either a ninny or hates the school. I'm guessing ninny.
That said, I can't see what the shirts have to do with Gibran or the school. Why was she even asked about them? This seems like a case of the media creating news instead of reporting it.
I think the school is a good idea - the government has a huge need for Arabic speakers, so why not pay for their education with public money?
There's a number of these extra language schools in the NYC public system -- Chinese, Greek, Korean, Spanish, Russian. Most of them are funded with Bill Gates foundation $$$, not city tax dollars at this point.
I think that is an important distinction - HOW they are being paid for...public funding or not? But there are two discussions going on here - at least for me.
I don't have a problem with the school or Arabic specifically and I would probably like the former principal if I ever met her on the street. I am sure she is sincere,thoughtful and dedicated.
It is also important to understand that she was not just in the same building with the group in question, http://www.awaam.org - she shared an office with them and knows them personally.
No, This is NOT a crime, I just want to be clear about the reason for concern over the use of the word in the story word. She may not have specifically involved with their making, etc, but she was supportive of them. Not a crime either...necessarily...but so be it.
She has been in this country long enough - including 9/11- but she still didn't think that when asked a question about the word, that the FIRST thing out of her mouth should have been "I condemn that word and terrorism...." but she just couldn't say that, instead she started "dancing" . Why can't more Muslims just say they CONDEMN terrorism...?
To examine the reason for concern with the use of language/ interpretation (Calling Don Imus), one need only look at the recent incidents in Europe over the mohammed cartoons in the newspapers. "Islama-fascist" Muslims give NO room for misinterpretation of words, text, phrases, irony,humor, etc, as we know from the news.
I would still like an explanation from THIS GROUP over their use of the word on T-Shirts. If a person is truly being reasonable in this discussion, they would know that it is almost IMPOSSIBLE for these women NOT to understand the context of the word "intifada" and its modern use.
I MIGHT be able to use the phrase "CRUSADE NYC" on a T-Shirt in modern times (it would probably offend some Muslims, no doubt) but most Americans would not see the the relationship/ context to history with its use and not find it offensive. The crusades were not on CNN. People know what "intifada" means. It is a word associated with violence in modern times. REMEMBER BUSH GOT HAMMERED FOR LETTING IT SLIP OUT...HYPOCRISY? And that was a slip from the tongue of a fool.
When you couple this with the perceived lack of significant public criticism from the Muslim community condemning terrorism and the violence of intifada/ terrorism worldwide itself, no wonder people get nervous over a word. It would make me proud (and I'll say it; more comfortable) to see more MUSLIM Americans speak up about some of the atrocities by the global MUSLIM community itself. I think that would be a step they could take to being more accepted...
These young women may find they have more resistance in their own communities than from America itself. They should have an "Intifada Islam" first, I say.
Instead the reverse seems to be happening and expected of Americans: Everyone else is supposed to be more understanding and flexible...we all could use some self-examination, no doubt.
But I am still curious about the other special accommodations above: What is the end game here? Is the goal to become like the U.K. or France when it comes to Muslim communities? Its NOT going well for them now....
I like America and I don't mind change, per se, its inevitable; I just hate extortion. Admittedly I'm on the edge with this public funding thing, it might be better that it is publicly funded. ( I'll say it: so there can be more government oversight/ review...)
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I believe that the goal is to teach them Arabic and Arabic culture.
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filmlover44 wrote: I believe that the goal is to teach them Arabic and Arabic culture.
cool. must it be done in a separate academy? If so, why?
Also, how does this school's curriculum (or anyone for that matter) separate Islam from Arabic culture and language? I ask in all seriousness. -
SevenOneEighty wrote: [quote=filmlover44]I believe that the goal is to teach them Arabic and Arabic culture.
cool. must it be done in a separate academy? If so, why?
Also, how does this school's curriculum (or anyone for that matter) separate Islam from Arabic culture and language? I ask in all seriousness.
My understanding is that ALL of the language immersion schools have the same basic format. All classes are taught in the language of the school one day and in english the next. So kids are conversing in the second languge 50% of the time they are in school.
This is why its a separate academy, because you don't just have language class, math, social studies, history, etc are all taught in the language. Language immersion itself is a kind of culture and it works best when everyone in the school is actually conversing in the two languages, not with 75% of the kids speaking english outside of the classroom. -
The Jewish Week gets at some of the details of how an interview gets twisted here
According to two sources who spoke to her, Almontaser had been declining media requests for interviews all summer at the Department of Education’s advice. But the department urged her to talk to New York Post reporter Chuck Bennett after he submitted his questions in advance as requested. All of them related directly to the school.
At the very end of the interview, Almontaser told one of these sources, Bennett, without bringing up the t-shirts, asked her almost incidentally what the word “intifada†meant. She consulted an Arabic dictionary and told him:
'The word basically means 'shaking off.' That is the root word if you look it up in Arabic.â€
Bennett then told her about the t-shirts, adding that they were produced by a group that shares space with another group on whose board she sits. She replied: 'I understand it is developing a negative connotation due to the uprising in the Palestinian-Israeli areas. I don't believe the intention is to have any of that kind of [violence] in New York City. I think it's pretty much an opportunity for girls to express that they are part of New York City society . . . and shaking off oppression.'
In a prepared statement, the New York Post denied misrepresenting the questions it planned to ask. “We were upfront regarding our intentions to ask about the t-shirt as well as the school from the very start,†the Post statement said. “This line of questioning was included in what our reporter sent to the Department of Education.
An Education Department spokesperson declined to comment.
The story was published Monday, and Almontaser quickly realized the problem she faced. In an e-mail that day, she told community supporters, “I was misrepresented and trapped by the reporter. Those were not my exact words, and the words I did use were taken out of context.â€
Through the Education Department’s press office Almontaser also released a statement to the public Monday declaring unequivocally: “The use of the word ‘intifada’ is completely inappropriate as a T-shirt slogan. I regret suggesting otherwise.â€
But it was too late. By Thursday, a crucial supporter, Randi Weingarten, president of the United Federation of Teachers, denounced her response in a letter to The Post — a critical loss. Almontaser’s resignation letter to Mayor Bloomberg came the next day.
“I have spent the past two decades of my life building bridges among people of all faiths — particularly among Muslims and Jews,†she wrote. “Unfortunately, a small group of highly misguided individuals has launched a relentless attack on me because of my religion.†-
The Gibran Furor Continues, Gotham Gazette
someone from the teacher's union apologizedhttp://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/2007/08/steve-questor-on-uft-role-in-debbie.html wrote: Ed Notes[/url], Steve Quester, a chapter leader for the United Federation of Teachers, faults his union for its role in forcing Almontaser’s ouster. “Our union could have stood with Arab-American and Muslim students and educators against the onslaught they have endured since 9-11, but instead we joined the chorus of racists, led by the teacher-hating, Arab-hating New York Post and Fox News,†he writes. Describing himself as “as a white, Jewish anti-racist educator,†Quester said he ‘heartsick over the role [the] union played in this sordid affair.’
And the vile NYPost keeps baiting the school.But even more bizarre has been the Post, which following yesterday’s headline “Jew Turn†today prints a column by Andrea Peyser. In called for the school’s closing, she describes Salzberg as a “jewess†and “token Chosen Person.â€
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Pitu,
I know the new york post can be ridiculous and even selective in their "persecution" of people in their paper.
But what would you make of a person opening up an English language academy in Palestine defending the sale of and use of the phrase "Crusade Palestine" T-Shirts by associates they shared an office space with? The explanation would go something like:
"Well, a 'crusade' is really a campaign of providing information and I think its a great thing that these girls are being entrepreneurs...."
Seriously, what so you think the reaction of the Palestinians/ Muslims would be? CAN YOU IMAGINE? Much LESS has happened before (cartoons) and blood is in the streets almost immediately in the Muslim world.
If we agree the NY Post is selective, can we also agree that using the word 'intifada' was inappropriate (strike that): WRONG and indefensible. -
7180, the school did not share office space with the girls group that put out the offending tshirts, but even if they had the school had nothing to do with the shirts.
I hope you have a moment to check out the Jewish Week bit I put above for you -- they lay out the way the Post got the comment in the first place.
I don't think the Post is so selective. I think they talk sh*t about whoever, to sell papers. The problem is when the city responds and people with excellent records go down the drain.
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