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NYPost forces out principal of city school, Khalil Gib

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  • has there been anything reporting whether the group that actually made the tshirts has been asked about them? i'd be interested to know what the intent was, not that, no matter what the intent, it has jack shit to do with the school.
  • SevenOneEighty wrote:
    But what would you make of a person opening up an English language academy in Palestine defending the sale of and use of the phrase "Crusade Palestine" T-Shirts by associates they shared an office space with? The explanation would go something like:

    "Well, a 'crusade' is really a campaign of providing information and I think its a great thing that these girls are being entrepreneurs...."

    Seriously, what so you think the reaction of the Palestinians/ Muslims would be? CAN YOU IMAGINE? Much LESS has happened before (cartoons) and blood is in the streets almost immediately in the Muslim world.
    couple of things:

    1. it would be interesting to know how many muslim countries have a chapter of the first group that comes to mind using the word "crusade", a group i have encountered many times in the US -- including at state universities -- and which is very proud of its international presence: campus crusade for christ. (i wonder how many principals belong to churches with student groups that might have that on a tshirt?)

    2. yes, the cartoon reaction was unbelievable. i don't think that means that we ought to become similarly reactionary.

    3. re: above. it occurs to me that one possible reaction to #2 is something like "that's exactly why we shouldn't be teaching that bad culture". so let me say now that islamic extremism≠arab culture. i am part of a group of americans who are frequently represented in the media by a bunch of loud lunatics. it makes me heartsick to think how many people believe that southerners=kkk or jerry falwell or david duke, etc., when the fact is that those people just sell more papers than the rest of us.
  • pitu wrote: 7180, the school did not share office space with the girls group that put out the offending tshirts, but even if they had the school had nothing to do with the shirts.
    I hope you have a moment to check out the Jewish Week bit I put above for you -- they lay out the way the Post got the comment in the first place.

    I don't think the Post is so selective. I think they talk sh*t about whoever, to sell papers. The problem is when the city responds and people with excellent records go down the drain.
    No, the school did NOT share space with the group but SHE did share space with Arab Women Active in Art and Media, on 3rd avenue...that is also part of the reaction - she knows those young ladies and is/was on the board of a Yemini group sharing space with them....NOT a crime, but adds to the reaction.

    But the question/ example above is still valid.
    No, I don't think we should react as many others do - and we don't react that way here typically. I was using it as an example to demonstrate that words and their use can cause major reactions and this is not something that is isolated to " persecuting arab cultures" nor is it one sided.

    If you one was keeping global "score", you would know that Americans are generally more reasonable in debate/ discussion. I just get tired of folks playing the "persecution/ race" card without seeing the irony of their own argument. I also don't want to dismiss everyones concerns as straight racism (because that immediately shuts down the discussion as is its intent) when there are some additional details that should be explained also: you know, 'connecting the dots', so to speak...

    She apologized , so fine. The school will open also as far as I know and this will be the last of any "incidents" hopefully. Let those kids learn Arabic culture and language.

    I still wish someone would just ask the Arab Women Active in Art and Media about the shirts specifically. They are really the ones that should answer about them anyway. We have such a lazy media and why has no one addressed this yet? If I see someone wearing it, I will very politely ask them what it means exactly ( like I have done in other situations).
  • I'll bet that she is back at the helm of the school by February. It's political journalism and not education that has brought all this up. There's hardly a ripple now, and it's just two weeks after the furor. One positive may be that people found out that there are spaces left at the school. Who wouldn't want their child going to a school with only 60 students? They'll probably have to fight through the applications now.
  • sweet tea wrote: has there been anything reporting whether the group that actually made the tshirts has been asked about them? i'd be interested to know what the intent was, not that, no matter what the intent, it has jack shit to do with the school.
    the cofounder of the actual group that did the tshirts did a segment on Democracy Now earlier this week
    here's the xscript if you're interested
    http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/13/1346223

    I personally can only think of all the inflammatory tshirts I and my punk rock friends wore when we were teenagers...
    its in the nature of adolescent rebellion to coopt whatever gets a rise out of the adults. Remember the English punks and the Nazi symbolism? My best friend had a Hitler world tour tshirt.
    7180 wrote:
    No, the school did NOT share space with the group but SHE did share space with Arab Women Active in Art and Media
    And for what feels like the millionth time 7180, "SHE" did not share an office with the tshirt group. She sat on the board of a group that did -- which I'm sure you must understand makes the connection ridiculously flimsy.
    Sorry she didn't jump high enough when the NYPost asked her the meaning of the word "intifada"? These are the same people now going with a sexist antisemitic sounding attack on the new leader of the school. Nice. These are the people you are listening to?
  • And for what feels like the millionth time 7180, "SHE" did not share an office with the tshirt group. She sat on the board of a group that did -- which I'm sure you must understand makes the connection ridiculously flimsy.
    Sorry she didn't jump high enough when the NYPost asked her the meaning of the word "intifada"? These are the same people now going with a sexist antisemitic sounding attack on the new leader of the school. Nice. These are the people you are listening to?
    Okay, so she sat on the board of the group that shares the office with them. So be it, I still think that makes a connection between her and the group itself - however weak. Again, connecting the dots,folks. Just the dots. I have to presume that if she was on the board she used the office though....but, whatever.

    Cheney is connected with Haliburton - and he probably hasn't been in their office all year. So friggin' what. Folks have been connecting the dots for a while on them too, right?

    If I saw someone wearing a nazi T-shirt or , for example, "Final Solution, NYC" tshirts (while eloquently providing a dictionary definition of the words, "Final" and "Solution"), I would also politely ask them, what the f*ck their problem was if they were in my' hood.

    As should everyone else.

    I'm simply debating your original post implying it was racism and only racism that caused concern. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
  • If I saw someone wearing a nazi T-shirt or , for example, "Final Solution, NYC" tshirts (while eloquently providing a dictionary definition of the words, "Final" and "Solution"), I would also politely ask them, what the f*ck their problem was if they were in my' hood.

    As should everyone else.
    Really? You talking to every teen in your neighborhood that has a tshirt on that promotes gun violence? I don't believe you.
    I'm simply debating your original post implying it was racism and only racism that caused concern. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
    7180, what I see in the case of the Khalil Gibran School is that they did just about everything right, then got tripped up and attacked on a powerfully insignificant thing. That attack is all about anti-Arab racism. That what I understand when I read the letters of support from teachers and religious leaders of all stripes in support of Ms. Almontaser.

    What they did right in starting this school?
    Commit to teach languages in a meaningful way in the public schools.
    Get a strong leader who was a very well known quantity, who built a diverse coalition of support with sensitivity to the diverse communities of NYC, who had the qualifications and the language and the right combination of connections, pedagogy, and skills.

    Damn shame that she got tripped up, and unsupported by the city.

    You don't see the Arabic-speaking population yelling about the new principal being a non-Arabic-speaking Jew do you? Nope, cause that would be f*ked up. Just the StopTheMadrassa nuts, Daniel Pipes, and the NYPost, hammering hammering hammering hate, like they always do.
  • pitu wrote:
    If I saw someone wearing a nazi T-shirt or , for example, "Final Solution, NYC" tshirts (while eloquently providing a dictionary definition of the words, "Final" and "Solution"), I would also politely ask them, what the f*ck their problem was if they were in my' hood.

    As should everyone else.
    Really? You talking to every teen in your neighborhood that has a tshirt on that promotes gun violence? I don't believe you..
    You are right, I cannot talk to EVERY teen wearing a shirt that promotes violence and self destruction.

    I do talk to the ones I know personally about it and I do what I can as an individual. I do volunteer work with kids in two programs in Brooklyn and I confronted one of the young men in my group on his Tupac shirt with Tupac toting a gun (he was 14 now 15). After several long discussions about it with him I think something sunk in; I have not seen him wear that shirt since our talk last summer. All I can do is try.

    Part of the point I was also making is that I also would not have a problem with anyone else confronting him about it and challenging him on its meaning and purpose either...it wouldn't make me or anyone else racist.

    That's all I am trying to say.
  • That's cool.

    It's a really different thing than what happened with this teacher and this beseiged school. Of course we need to speak against violence. The teacher that was hounded out was one of the people who was known to publicly speak against violence, and for peace.
  • Subject: What's Arabic for "witch hunt"?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/08/20/2007-08-20_they_scapegoated_her.html
    They scapegoated her
    Arab principal was a casualty of fear
    By MONA ELTAHAWY
    Monday, August 20th 2007, New York Daily News

    What's Arabic for "witch hunt"?

    In any language, a witch hunt is what led Debbie Almontaser to step down as principal of the Khalil Gibran International Academy. Due to open in Brooklyn this fall, it will be New York City's first Arabic-themed public school.

    The city was right to approve the school in the first place, but dead wrong not to offer it and Almontaser a robust, unapologetic defense in the face of fearmongering. Instead, a tempest in a teapot forced a qualified candidate out of her job - and what we got from Chancellor Joel Klein, Mayor Bloomberg and others was just damage control.

    Moreover, the naming of Danielle Salzberg, a non-Arabic speaker, as Almontaser's interim replacement was a serious mistake. Salzberg may be a fine educator, but an Arabic-themed school deserves a principal familiar with the language and culture it will teach.

    The least the city can do now is name an Arab-American educator to lead Gibran Academy in time for the start of the new school year. And we must ask why we let such a shameful smear campaign - one that now continues, with plans to claim the school itself as a casualty - go unchecked.

    Officially, Almontaser resigned this month in the wake of a furor over the fact that she didn't condemn the word "intifadeh" on a T-shirt. But Almontaser didn't defend Palestinian violence against Israelis, as her critics claim. She simply tried to offer a wider context for a word most Americans associate only with terrorist violence.

    That's called education; but because she is an Arab and a Muslim, her statements were subject to greater scrutiny and suspicion.

    Critics had targeted Almontaser for months - maliciously calling the school a "madrassah," and combing through her past for signs of transgressions. You can be sure that if it hadn't been the T-shirts - which had nothing to do with Almontaser or her school - it would have been something else.
    the rest of the op-ed here
  • The thing I find most interesting is how many people (not necessarily here, but in the media) keep calling it a "Muslim" school, when Kahlil Gibran was Christian. And now this school has a new principal who doesn't even speak Arabic!
  • What freakin' idiots.

    I went to a bunch of arabic schools as a kid. I already spoke it , but of course my father wanted us to be able to read and write it as well.None of them were funded by the city , so we had to pay. Now , in Michigan , there are alot of public schools that have an arabic language and culture class. It's open to all of the students , not just the arabic speaking kids. None of the parents of the other school children made a big deal of it like here in NY. They actually want there kids to learn another language be it arabic , french , spanish , german - whatever as long as they learn.

    It's most likely labeled a muslim school because it's the arabic language being taught , even though not all arabs are muslim. I guess its just hate or whatever , that's making all of these problems.

    The arabic kids will learn no matter what , cuz I'm sure there are some schools here like the ones I went to that will teach you for a few dollars a month-or free even. It's the non arabic speaking kids that will have something they might enjoy taken from them.

    Putting in a new non arabic speaking principal was done to piss people off.But , who gives a rats ass as long as the school is open.

    It's pretty easy to learn.

    I'll give ya'll a free lesson.

    Ay-wah = Yes

    La = No

    Ta-mam = Okay

    Kayf ha-look = How are you?

    Bih - khayr = Well ( as in I'm doing well)

    Anaa = Me

    An-ta = You (male)

    An-tee = You (female)

    An-too = You all ( as in a group of people)

    Anaa bidee - I want

    Anaa Mash/Mah bidee - I DON'T want ( Mash or shorten it up just using MAH- makes it a negative)

    Maa = Water

    Shook-run = Thank you

    Af-won = You're welcome

    Ta-all = Come here ( male)

    Ta-ah-lee = Come here ( female)

    Iss-me = My name is

    Iss-mook / Iss-mick = Your name

    Aysh or shoo = What or what is

    Lets put a few together.

    - Kayf ha-look ?

    ** Anaa bi-khayr.

    - Antee/Antaa tamam?

    **Aywah , anaa tamam.

    **La anaa mash/ma tamam.

    - Anaa bidee maa.

    - Anaa mah bidee maa.

    - Iss-mee Em26. Aysh or shoo Issmook/Issmick?

    See it's easy , and you have not been harmed by this lesson.
  • See, that whole experience must have sucked, but I have to assume this was also more than 25 years ago....
    you are absolutely correct and i only thought about it after i posted. it was over 25 years ago.
  • The school is still set to open, despite continued hatefulness on the pages of the NYPost...
    From today's NYT:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/29/education/29education.html?ex=1346126400&en=336e37cfd341b539&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
    [quote-"NYTimes"]On Education
    Critics Ignored Record of a Muslim Principal
    By SAMUEL G. FREEDMAN
    Published: August 29, 2007

    Last Feb. 12, you may recall, New York education officials announced plans to open a minischool in September that would teach half its classes in Arabic and include study of Arab culture. The principal was to be a veteran teacher who was also a Muslim immigrant from Yemen, Debbie Almontaser.

    The critical response began pouring in the very next day.

    “I hope it burns to the ground just like the towers did with all the students inside including school officials as well,” wrote an unidentified blogger on the Web site Modern Tribalist, a hub of anti-immigrant sentiment. A contributor identified as Dave responded, “Now Muslims will be able to learn how to become terrorists without leaving New York City.”

    Not to be outdone, the conservative Web site Political Dishonesty carried this commentary on Feb. 14:

    “Just think, instead of jocks, cheerleaders and nerds, there’s going to be the Taliban hanging out on the history hall, Al Qaeda hanging out by the gym, and Palestinians hanging out in the science labs. Hamas and Hezbollah studies will be the prerequisite classes for an Iranian physics. Maybe in gym they’ll learn how to wire their bomb vests and they’ll convert the football field to a terrorist training camp.”

    Thus commenced the smear campaign against the Khalil Gibran International Academy and, specifically, Debbie Almontaser. For the next six months, from blogs to talk shows to cable networks to the right-wing press, the hysteria and hatred never ceased. Regrettably, it worked.

    Ms. Almontaser resigned as principal earlier this month. Nominally, she quit to quell the controversy about her remarks to The New York Post insufficiently denouncing the term “intifada” on a T-shirt made by a local Arab-American organization. That episode, however, merely provided the pretext for her ouster, for the triumph of a concerted exercise in character assassination.

    After initially consenting to an interview for this column, Ms. Almontaser backed out, saying she did not want to “do anything that would jeopardize the school,” which is still set to open next month in the Boerum Hill section of Brooklyn. One of her longtime colleagues, however, spoke candidly about her emotions.

    “She feels that she’s been violated, personally and professionally,” said Louis Cristillo, a research professor at Teachers College at Columbia University who has studied the experiences of Muslim children in the New York public schools. “To be painted as somebody who’s un-American, questioning her patriotism, is extremely hurtful for her. She’s really shocked at how devastatingly effective the defamation was.”

    For anyone who bothered to look for it, Ms. Almontaser left a clear, public record of interfaith activism and outreach across the boundaries of race, ethnicity and religion. Her efforts, especially after the Sept. 11 attacks, earned her honors, grants and fellowships. She has collaborated so often with Jewish organizations that an Arab-American newspaper, Aramica, castigated her earlier this summer for being too close to a “Zionist organization,” meaning the Anti-Defamation League.

    Ms. Almontaser has twice been profiled on Voice of America as an accomplished Muslim American. Her son, Yousif, spent several months on rescue efforts at ground zero as a member of the Army National Guard. Four of her nephews and cousins have served in the United States military in Iraq.

    None of these details were exactly hidden under a rock. But her critics ignored them. In syndicated columns by Daniel Pipes, in articles and editorials in The New York Post and The New York Sun, on such Web sites as PipeLineNews and Militant Islam Monitor, both concerned with radical Islam, the Gibran school was repeatedly characterized as a “madrassa,” an Arabic term plainly meant to evoke images of indoctrination into terrorism and holy war.

    Bella Rabinowitz, writing on March 9 in PipeLineNews, called Gibran “an Islamist public school whose curriculum shares the same ideology as the Sept. 11 terrorists.” Alicia Colon wrote in The Sun on May 1, “How delighted Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda must have been to hear the news” that New York “is bowing down in homage to accommodate and perhaps groom future radicals.”

    Just as the school was caricatured, so was Ms. Almontaser. Although she has used the first name Debbie since childhood, her critics relentlessly identified her by her legal name Dhabah, the better to render her alien. Some articles would add the phrase “a k a Debbie,” treating her chosen name as a sort of criminal alias.

    What all the attacks lacked was a single solid example of Ms. Almontaser having espoused Islamic extremism, much less jihad, during her 15 years as an educator. They have described her as a “9/11 denier” on the basis of one statement that “I don’t recognize the people who committed the attacks as either Arabs or Muslims.”

    Yet, as Larry Cohler-Esses noted in an incisive article in New York Jewish Week, these foes conveniently overlooked what Ms. Almontaser went on to say in the same interview: “Those people who did it have stolen my identity as an Arab and stolen my religion.”

    What Ms. Almontaser has done — as a private citizen, not in her classroom — is assail the Bush administration for its domestic surveillance and for its Middle East policies. She has said that desperation and oppression contribute to terrorism. You can disagree with her positions and still not believe they should be the basis for destroying her career.

    “There’s zero correspondence between the caricature and the actual person,” said Rabbi Andy Bachman of Beth Elohim, a Reform Jewish congregation in Park Slope, who was on the Gibran school’s advisory board. “The words that were used to describe her, the fears that were evoked, are absolutely unrelated to her and her life’s work. Not in any way, shape or form.”

    Another rabbi who has worked with Ms. Almontaser on interfaith efforts, Michael Feinberg of the Greater New York Labor-Religion Coalition, said: “It’s all about insinuation and innuendo and this formula of Arab equals Muslim equals terrorist. The viciousness and the vileness of this case surpass anything I’ve seen before.”

    That vileness also did no favors to the responsible critics of the Gibran school, whether they were parents worried about school overcrowding or scholars like Diane Ravitch and Richard Kahlenberg, who believe that public schools should reinforce a common American culture rather than promote ethnic identity. Their worthy voices got lost in all the bile.

    For now at least, Ms. Almontaser remains employed by the Department of Education. What she requires, though, is something harder to obtain than another job. As another victim of a different smear campaign put it once: “Which office do I go to to get my reputation back?”

    Samuel G. Freedman is a professor of journalism at Columbia University. His e-mail is [email protected].

  • ^ yea, some of those comments are over the top and do not help people who have real questions about the school. They don't help a cause either way and are a waste of time.

    This group is still very fired up about it though:
    http://stopthemadrassa.wordpress.com/

    I have found out some information on this site although I think they may be overly negative about the school's existence.
  • The school should open and I don't think it will be a haven for terrorists or radicals either. I will expand on one of her points though based on factual information. I do NOT think anyone in the school is a terrorist, etc. and all Muslims are not terrorists. lets get that out of the way.

    However, contrary to what gets repeated by many well meaning, liberal minded people: Foreign policy, oppression or desperation are NOT even a root cause or radicalism: its the theology of radical Islam itself.


    I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist

    That is something the west is going to need to come to grips with and deal with sooner or later.

    This is only one example; there are many others:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570&in_page_id=1770
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    By HASSAN BUTT - More by this author » Last updated at 07:38am on 2nd July 2007

    hassan butt

    When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network - a series of British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology - I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.

    By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair's bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.

    Read more...

    * Two doctors held over bomb attacks
    * Summer of chaos ahead as airports step up terror shield

    More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.

    The attempts to cause mass destruction in London and Glasgow are so reminiscent of other recent British Islamic extremist plots that they are likely to have been carried out by my former peers.

    And as with previous terror attacks, people are again saying that violence carried out by Muslims is all to do with foreign policy.

    For example, on Saturday on Radio 4's Today programme, the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, said: "What all our intelligence shows about the opinions of disaffected young Muslims is the main driving force is not Afghanistan, it is mainly Iraq."

    I left the British Jihadi Network in February 2006 because I realised that its members had simply become mindless killers. But if I were still fighting for their cause, I'd be laughing once again.

    Mohammed Sidique Khan

    Mohammed Sidique Khan met with the author on two separate occasions

    Mohammad Sidique Khan, the leader of the July 7 bombings, and I were both part of the network - I met him on two occasions.

    And though many British extremists are angered by the deaths of fellow Muslim across the world, what drove me and many others to plot acts of extreme terror within Britain and abroad was a sense that we were fighting for the creation of a revolutionary worldwide Islamic state that would dispense Islamic justice.

    If we were interested in justice, you may ask, how did this continuing violence come to be the means of promoting such a (flawed) Utopian goal?

    How do Islamic radicals justify such terror in the name of their religion?

    There isn't enough room to outline everything here, but the foundation of extremist reasoning rests upon a model of the world in which you are either a believer or an infidel.

    Formal Islamic theology, unlike Christian theology, does not allow for the separation of state and religion: they are considered to be one and the same.

    For centuries, the reasoning of Islamic jurists has set down rules of interaction between Dar ul-Islam (the Land of Islam) and Dar ul-Kufr (the Land of Unbelief) to cover almost every matter of trade, peace and war.

    But what radicals and extremists do is to take this two steps further. Their first step has been to argue that, since there is no pure Islamic state, the whole world must be Dar ul-Kufr (The Land of Unbelief).

    Step two: since Islam must declare war on unbelief, they have declared war upon the whole world.

    Along with many of my former peers, I was taught by Pakistani and British radical preachers that this reclassification of the globe as a Land of War (Dar ul-Harb) allows any Muslim to destroy the sanctity of the five rights that every human is granted under Islam: life, wealth, land, mind and belief.

    In Dar ul-Harb, anything goes, including the treachery and cowardice of attacking civilians.

    The notion of a global battlefield has been a source of friction for Muslims living in Britain.

    For decades, radicals have been exploiting the tensions between Islamic theology and the modern secular state - typically by starting debate with the question: "Are you British or Muslim?"

    But the main reason why radicals have managed to increase their following is because most Muslim institutions in Britain just don't want to talk about theology.

    They refuse to broach the difficult and often complex truth that Islam can be interpreted as condoning violence against the unbeliever - and instead repeat the mantra that Islam is peace and hope that all of this debate will go away.

    This has left the territory open for radicals to claim as their own. I should know because, as a former extremist recruiter, I repeatedly came across those who had tried to raise these issues with mosque authorities only to be banned from their grounds.

    Every time this happened it felt like a moral and religious victory for us because it served as a recruiting sergeant for extremism.

    Outside Britain, there are those who try to reverse this two-step revisionism.

    A handful of scholars from the Middle East have tried to put radicalism back in the box by saying that the rules of war devised so long ago by Islamic jurists were always conceived with the existence of an Islamic state in mind, a state which would supposedly regulate jihad in a responsible Islamic fashion.

    In other words, individual Muslims don't have the authority to go around declaring global war in the name of Islam.

    But there is a more fundamental reasoning that has struck me as a far more potent argument because it involves recognising the reality of the world: Muslims don't actually live in the bipolar world of the Middle Ages any more.

    The fact is that Muslims in Britain are citizens of this country. We are no longer migrants in a Land of Unbelief.

    For my generation, we were born here, raised here, schooled here, we work here and we'll stay here.

    But more than that, on a historically unprecedented scale, Muslims in Britain have been allowed to assert their religious identity through clothing, the construction of mosques, the building of cemeteries and equal rights in law.

    However, it isn't enough for responsible Muslims to say that, because they feel at home in Britain, they can simply ignore those passages of the Koran which instruct on killing unbelievers.

    Because so many in the Muslim community refuse to challenge centuries-old theological arguments, the tensions between Islamic theology and the modern world grow larger every day.

    I believe that the issue of terrorism can be easily demystified if Muslims and non-Muslims start openly to discuss the ideas that fuel terrorism.

    Crucially, the Muslim community in Britain must slap itself awake from its state of denial and realise there is no shame in admitting the extremism within our families, communities and worldwide co-religionists.

    If our country is going to take on radicals and violent extremists, Muslim scholars must go back to the books and come forward with a refashioned set of rules and a revised understanding of the rights and responsibilities of Muslims whose homes and souls are firmly planted in what I'd like to term the Land of Co-existence.

    And when this new theological territory is opened up, Western Muslims will be able to liberate themselves from defunct models of the world, rewrite the rules of interaction and perhaps we will discover that the concept of killing in the name of Islam is no more than an anachronism.
  • just fyi, the stopthemadrassa people are wingnuts
    let's just start with the name . . .
  • If anyone is interested in the folo to this story . . .
    NYTimes/Education
    Arabic School Ex-Principal Fights to Get Job Back
    By JENNIFER MEDINA
    Published: October 17, 2007
    The founding principal of the city’s first Arabic-language school said Tuesday that the Bloomberg administration forced her to resign in August by threatening to shut the school.
  • Man,

    Like Senator Craig, I was hoping this thing would just go away.

    She is in for an uphill 'politically charged' battle with the BoCoCa residents and the 'madrassa' folks who are compiling quite a but of information on the school on their website. I hadn't heard anything about the school a fall and now this is going to become the issue again.

    Now things are really going to get dicey and her words are going to come back to haunt her...on a national scale. She might even have a case for her job, but I doubt she will get her job back in the same capacity. To attempt to do so only hurts the school and her cause now. Know when to step aside for the greater cause. Hubris is going to get the best of her.

    The previous conversations notwithstanding, inadvertently, she is bringing the 'intifada' issue back to the forefront and linking it to the school.
  • http://www.nypost.com/seven/10192007/news/regionalnews/deb_loses_khalil_appeal.htm
    DEB LOSES KHALIL APPEAL
    AP

    October 19, 2007 -- An educator who helped found the city's first Arabic-themed public school and resigned as its principal after defending the use of "intifada" on a T-shirt will not be rehired, school officials said yesterday.

    Debbie Almontaser will not be renamed principal of the Khalil Gibran International Academy in Brooklyn, said David Cantor, a spokesman for Schools Chancellor Joel Klein.

    Cantor said that in August, "she resigned to ensure the stability of the school. The chancellor agreed with her decision . . . and now considers the matter closed."

    Almontaser had applied for the job along with 24 others before the application deadline on Tuesday at 5 p.m.

    The former principal, a Muslim of Yemeni descent, held a news conference Tuesday, saying she was forced out and, as a victim of injustice, vowing to sue.

    A message left for her representative was not immediately returned yesterday.
  • I wouldn't look to the NYPost as paper of record on this.
    :roll: :D
    Almontaser did an interview on NPR this morning -- I'm sure it's on the wnyc.org site.
  • Big shock: she's suing:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/nyregion/20mbrfs-speech.html?ref=nyregion
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    By JENNIFER MEDINA
    Published: November 20, 2007

    The founding principal of the city’s first Arabic-language school has filed a lawsuit in Federal District Court against the city’s Education Department, Chancellor Joel I. Klein and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, claiming that they violated her right to free speech and “conspired to deny her the opportunity to regain her position as principal” of the Khalil Gibran International Academy, in Brooklyn. The principal, Debbie Almontaser, resigned under pressure this summer, following a furor that erupted after she was quoted in The New York Post defending the use of the word “intifada” on a T-shirt sold by a Brooklyn-based organization of Arab women. Last month, Ms. Almontaser said she was a victim of a smear campaign by conservatives and would apply to get her job back. But Education Department officials said they would not consider her application among the 25 others that were submitted at the time.
  • Subject: Silk screening muslims

    I can't recall seeing muslim women wearing t-shirts in any arab countries .
  • Subject: Re: Silk screening muslims

    Hamilton wrote: I can't recall seeing muslim women wearing t-shirts in any arab countries .
    :roll:
    guess you don't get out much.
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  • Subject: Re: Silk screening muslims

    pitu wrote: [quote=Hamilton]I can't recall seeing muslim women wearing t-shirts in any arab countries .
    :roll:
    guess you don't get out much.
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    I do,which one is you?
  • Oh Hamilton! You old fox, not all muslim women are trapped in burqas as fox news leads you to believe.
  • muslim woman wrote: Oh Hamilton! You old fox, not all muslim women are trapped in burqas as fox news leads you to believe.
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    Thats good ,if you seen one burgas you've seen them all :P
  • Subject: Update

    Here is the coverage of the hearing so far, classic NY Post:
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/12012007/news/regionalnews/the_cry_school_principal_722861.htm
    THE 'CRY SCHOOL' PRINCIPAL
    'INTIFADA' CASE IN COURT


    By KATI CORNELL

    December 1, 2007 -- The ousted principal of a controversial Arabic public school in Brooklyn bawled on the witness stand yesterday as she described how the Bloomberg administration pushed her out of her job after she publicly defended the use of the slogan "Intifada NYC" on a T-shirt.

    A weepy Debbie Almontaser, founder and former acting principal of the Khalil Gibran International Academy, accused the city of rushing to judgment based on media pressure and claimed she agreed to an abrupt resignation in a bid to save the fledgling school.

    "I was absolutely devastated," Almontaser said, recounting a fateful meeting with Deputy Mayor Dennis Wolcott on Aug. 9. It was just days after she was quoted defining the word "intifada," commonly associated with Palestinian terror, as "shaking off oppression."

    "At that point I realized there was nothing I could say or do," Almontaser testified through tears. "I thought of the 44 students . . . I did what I did [in resigning] to ensure the safety and security of the children."

    Almontaser took the witness stand in Manhattan federal court in a bid to stop the city from appointing a new principal at the academy, a selection process that is set to wrap up next week, and to force the Department of Education to consider her for the position.

    The longtime educator has sued the city for allegedly violating her rights to free speech and due process by forcing her resignation in a lawsuit naming Mayor Bloomberg and Walcott as defendants.

    The firestorm was sparked by an Aug. 6 story in The Post in which Almontaser failed to condemn "Intifada NYC" T-shirts that were distributed by an organization sharing office space with Saba Association of American Yemenis, a group where she sat on the board.

    Almontaser blamed everyone from the media to Bloomberg for ruining her career and ripping her away from her pet project.

    "What upset me, I knew Mayor Bloomberg . . . I couldn't believe he was taking the word of The Post over my word," Almontaser testified.

    The hearing is set to resume on Monday.

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  • So we should hear something any hour/day now on a ruling by the judge.

    I am not sure if the ruling could actually give Debbie her job back or if it will only mean the city will need to "consider" her application.

    The judge heard the closing arguments of the case today at 2pm....
    The selection is set to take place tomorrow for principal of the school and the judge can intervene in the selection process.

    We'll see what happens... we should know by tomorrow afternoon.
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    Update:

    Debbie loses, but will appeal by the end of the week:

    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/06/america/NA-GEN-US-Arabic-School-Lawsuit.php
    NY judge rules against former Arabic school principal
    The Associated Press

    NEW YORK: The U.S. constitutional free-speech rights of the founding principal of New York City's first Arabic-themed school were not violated when she was forced out after being criticized for what she said during a newspaper interview, a judge ruled Wednesday.

    Debbie Almontaser had sued schools Chancellor Joel Klein and Mayor Michael Bloomberg, saying they violated her rights when she was pressured to step down after she discussed the history of the word "intifada," an Arabic term commonly used to refer to the Palestinian uprising against Israel, during an interview.


    The U.S. District judge said Almontaser participated in the interview in her role as acting principal of the Khalil Gibran International Academy. He said speech is not protected when it occurs as part of the duties of an employee working for an employer that has a responsibility to supervise and monitor its messages to the public.


    Almontaser lost her position after she was criticized for not condemning the use of "intifada" on a T-shirt made by a youth organization.

    She said the meaning of her words was distorted after she told a reporter that "intifada" stemmed from a root word meaning "shake off" and that the word has different meanings for different people but certainly implies violence to many, especially in connection with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

    The judge noted that she had been instructed by the press staff for the schools not to discuss the T-shirts.

    The New York Civil Liberties Union criticized the judge's ruling.

    "This is just another example of how recent Supreme Court rulings are undermining constitutional rights in general and First Amendment rights in particular," said Christopher Dunn, NYCLU associate legal director.

    The school, named for the Lebanese Christian poet who promoted peace, opened quietly in September with 55 sixth-grade students. It is the first in the city to teach Arabic and Arab culture.
  • Subject: City Names New Principal for English-Arabic School

    City Names New Principal for English-Arabic School
    By ELISSA GOOTMAN
    Published: January 9, 2008

    On Tuesday, the New York City Education Department named an educator who has a “working knowledge” of Arabic as principal of the Khalil Gibran International Academy, the embattled Brooklyn school whose founding principal resigned under pressure after being quoted as defending the word “intifada” as a T-shirt slogan.

    The new principal, Holly Anne Reichert, 42, has worked in the city public schools for more than nine years, first as an English as a Second Language teacher and, later, as a teacher mentor.

    She has also spent much time in the Arab world, including stints as a Peace Corps volunteer in Yemen, as a teaching fellow at the American University in Cairo, and as head of the English department at an English-Arabic dual language school in Bahrain.

    She has a bachelor’s degree in Arabic Language and Social Anthropology from the University of London, and master’s degrees from the American University in Cairo, Teachers College at Columbia University and Baruch College.

    The Khalil Gibran school, which opened in September with about 60 sixth graders, is the city’s first school based on the theme of Arabic language and culture. It will eventually grow into a 6th-through-12th-grade, dual-language school, in which many classes will be taught in Arabic.

    The school has generated controversy since it was announced last February, with some critics calling it a “madrassa” that did not belong in a public school system.

    The founding principal, Debbie Almontaser, was forced out in August after she defended the T-shirt slogan.

    When she was asked by The New York Post about the phrase “Intifada NYC,” which had been printed on T-shirts sold by a Brooklyn organization, she said, “The word basically means ‘shaking off.’” Of the T-shirts, she said, “I think it’s pretty much an opportunity for girls to express that they are part of New York City society” and “shaking off oppression.”

    Through her lawyer, Ms. Almontaser declined to comment on Tuesday on Ms. Reichert’s appointment.

    Since August, the school has had an interim acting principal, Danielle Salzberg.

    At a news conference on Tuesday announcing Ms. Reichert’s appointment, which takes effect on Wednesday, the new principal declined to comment on the events surrounding the removal of Ms. Almontaser, who has since filed a lawsuit, now pending before a federal appeals court, charging that she was unfairly dismissed from her post.

    “I’m here to start something new, and things that have happened before my appointment that starts tomorrow are things that I had no part in,” Ms. Reichert said at the news conference.

    She sidestepped questions about how she would handle sensitive topics, saying that “all students in New York City and all students at Khalil Gibran will be studying the same things, the same conflicts.”

    But in a telephone interview later, Ms. Reichert elaborated on her feelings about the word intifada, saying, “It’s a word that connotes tremendous violent conflict, and I don’t think it should be used casually, as on a T-shirt.”

    The Arab-American Family Support Center, a social service agency that helped open the school, released a statement praising Ms. Reichert “as incredibly qualified for the position.” But the appointment is not likely to end the controversy over the school.

    Immediately after the news conference, Ms. Almontaser’s supporters released a statement criticizing the appointment as “illegitimate” because Ms. Almontaser’s challenge to her dismissal, and to the Education Department’s refusal to reconsider her application, is still pending in court.

    “We challenge any self-respecting professional who would accept a position at this school at this time given the evidence of anti-Arab and anti-Muslim racism that hangs over Debbie Almontaser’s discharge,” the statement said.
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