What happened at St. John's and Underhill?
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RBG wrote: Here's all I'll say: YES, the no-snitching rule is definitley in effect....
It seems to me that the 'don't snitch' philosophy is adopted by two kinds of people: folks who are afraid to stand up for what's right, and folks who want to reserve the right to committ crimes themselves. Furthermore, coming onto a forum devoted to neighborhood issues, specifically safety and crime in this thread, to declare "i know something!!! i'm not telling!" is juvenile and unconvincing.
...What would you do if you knew the details of what happened? Would you take action? Without sounding cavalier, I'll tell you this: If you talked, really talked to people in this community, you'd know exactly what's going on. If its any consolation, these incidents were not gang related (as some people may believe). I just hope that in an effort to "solve" these crimes, the police don't lock up the wrong people. But yes, Izisharp, I'm not snitching. -
All this "I know what REALLY happened, but I'm not gonna tell!" nonsense is absolutely riddiculous. If you are going to complain about this community being misinformed, and unwilling to take action to help or be more aware of neighborhood goings on, then SHARE your super sekrit information and educate people. Otherwise keep it to yourself. Obviously people in this community DO want to be informed, and want to know what is going on. If they didn't then this thread wouldn't exhist. Behaving like a child with a "special secret club" is just annoying, counter productive and not adding anything to the situation.
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Sorry guys. I shouldn't have lead everyone on. Really, I apologize. The point is, there's no big underlying secret here. There's no bombshell information. There's no drug ring, gang war, etc. going on. There's no need for me to call the police with information that in court, would be considerred "heresay." I didn't witness the crime, but certainly have heard what may have happened. BUT, again, I really apologize for upsetting a few people. As for 'not snitching,' I just choose to mind my own business. People will stop telling you things if they realize you run out and tell everyone else. Its not about snitching---its about developing trust with your neighbors. As for solving this crime, a simple ballistics test combined with eyewitness testimony and forensic evidence will probably help to solve this crime. Figure out where the gun came from by looking at the gunshot wounds and shells casings left behind. Take a look at other shootings in Brooklyn and compare those casings/wounds to this one. Establish a pattern...A gumshoe detective---not a 24-year old street cop--- can figure this one out.
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That said, I simply don't think gossiping about "what happened" on this board will do any good.
A shooting happened in the neighborhood. This is a neighborhood discussion board. You really think people are gonna NOT discuss the shooting? Right ...
If you know something that you feel you can't tell, fine. But coming here to announce that you know something you won't tell is kinda kindergarten. And attempting to tell other people here what they should or should not be talking about, well, good luck with that. -
RBG wrote: As for 'not snitching,' I just choose to mind my own business. People will stop telling you things if they realize you run out and tell everyone else. Its not about snitching---its about developing trust with your neighbors.
With all due respect, what happens to a community that places trust in neighbors who abuse, steal, or, god forbid, shoot and kill? It's this confusion of values and this absence of morals and ethics that will keep these communities down indefinitely. -
honestly, if you're worried folks are going to stop telling you stuff, posting that you know something but aren't saying anything on a public thread is more threatening than making a simple phone call to someone who may or may not need the information you have. also, for your reference, the cops can use hearsay to solve a crime and make an arrest - the DA is the one who decides who has to sit in a witness box. and there are tons of exceptions to the hearsay rule. (yes, I used to be a criminal defense attorney in a state that had a better conviction rate than this one) and if your information could save a gumshoe detective 15 minutes of investigation, thus giving them time to, say, help solve that shooting of the little girl on st. marks in CH, by all means - don't make it. be that way.
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RBG wrote: There's no need for me to call the police with information that in court, would be considerred "heresay." I didn't witness the crime, but certainly have heard what may have happened.
While what you know might be useless as far as testimony is concerned, it could be a useful piece of information for investigators to - wait for it - investigate in hopes of finding the right people.
edit - d'oh! Cross-post! Damn two-finger typing! -
The "stop snitchin" attitude is what the Police Dept. deals with on a regular basis. It's no surprise that this menatility permeates through even the most educated of individuals. The strange thing is that these people are shooting and killing each other. Very rarely are Cops getting shot by these individuals, so actually its like a self cleaning oven. So continue to "NOT SNITCH" hopefully the number of innocent bystanders are low. While your at it, why not visit the 12 year old girl shot on Kingston ave-St marks last night at the hospital. Maybe you can explain the "Stop Snitchin" mentality to her parents.
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Is watching the 60 minutes piece on "stop snitching" a mandatory requirement to participate in this thread?
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Let me be clear---if I had info on the young girl who was shot, I'd certainly share it with the police. In this case, I'm almost positive that my input will not help the investigation. Like I said, I have no bombshell info. We're talking apples and oranges here...A little girl going to get a soda from the store. A kid standing on the corner who was later found to have drugs. Both shot. Apples and oranges, people. Like everyone here, I don't like gunplay in our neighborhood, but comparing the young man on Underhill to the little girl on St. Johns is simply setting up a strawman that can easily be blown down. The argument is weak to put it mildly.
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RBG wrote: Let me be clear---if I had info on the young girl who was shot, I'd certainly share it with the police. In this case, I'm almost positive that my input will not help the investigation. Like I said, I have no bombshell info. We're talking apples and oranges here...A little girl going to get a soda from the store. A kid standing on the corner who was later found to have drugs. Both shot. Apples and oranges, people. Like everyone here, I don't like gunplay in our neighborhood, but comparing the young man on Underhill to the little girl on St. Johns is simply setting up a strawman that can easily be blown down. The argument is weak to put it mildly.
Apples and Oranges? Bullets don't see the difference between people. It doesn't matter if you're young or old, black or white. You get hit you die or bleed. All information about what happened to that young man should be given to the authorities. They're the ones we pay to protect us in this city. And when I say "US" I'm taking about everyone who lives here. People here love to twist other peoples "Words" on the forum. I really feel sorry for this neighborhood. People who keep their mouths shut, people who are afraid to do anything. It's showing it's true colors on this forum....
The color ignorance.
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Well, I'd like to attend those block assoc. meetings. I'd like to know when and where. :?:
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RBG wrote: Let me be clear---if I had info on the young girl who was shot, I'd certainly share it with the police. In this case, I'm almost positive that my input will not help the investigation. Like I said, I have no bombshell info. We're talking apples and oranges here...A little girl going to get a soda from the store. A kid standing on the corner who was later found to have drugs. Both shot. Apples and oranges, people. Like everyone here, I don't like gunplay in our neighborhood, but comparing the young man on Underhill to the little girl on St. Johns is simply setting up a strawman that can easily be blown down. The argument is weak to put it mildly.
not meaning to pile on RBG, but just wanted to point out that the little girl was shot because someone was likely shooting at "A kid standing on the corner who was later found to have drugs".
So it sort of sounds like you don't care to call the cops about the drug kid because you think either he had it coming, or it's all part of the same old-same old in the nabe, but it's because when these knuckleheads shoot at each other that innocents run the risk of getting killed, that we need to give the cops as much info as possible to make sure this sort of bs doesn't happen again and that little girls and boys can actually play on their street without getting shot. -
Do you really think the police care when a male black (as they like to call them) is killed by a random bullet? Do you really think the police give a damn? The truth is, they don't. The only reason the police are patrolling the neighborhood right now is because its no longer poor black people who are in danger---now middle and upperclass people are in danger and all of sudden, this is a big deal. Give me a break, will you? Everyday, someone in Brooklyn is shot and killed. Where is the outrage when the bullets go off in Bushwick or Bed Stuy, or Coney Island? For you, its only an issue because shots rang out in your little quasi-safe neighborhood. Where is the outrage when people are kicked out of their homes to make way for people who can afford higher rents? Where is the outrage when the only daycare center built in this neighborhood in recent memory charges almost $10,000 per year? Where is the outrage when the bodegas and grocery store owners charge inflated prices for staples like milk, bread, and sugar? For nutritionally inferior products? Where is the outrage when new people leave their trash on our streets and put up little signs that say "free stuff"---like we really want your garbage?? Where is the outrage when old residents (black) have to live in delapidated apartments while new residents (white) get renovated apartments with new appliances and fresh coats of paint?? Where is the outrage? Don't tell me about ignorance. Don't tell me about snitching. And please don't tell me about gentrification. Random shootings occur when people, regardless of color, have nothing left to lose. People shoot guns for fun when a little time in jail is better than life on St. Johns Place. I challenge you to take a real look at what the heck is going on in this neighborhood. This is what happens when people are left with no hope and have nothing to live for. When you get a second, just take a few real moments to look at what the neighborhood's become. Its right there in black and white.
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on a mod note: duplicate post deleted.
on a personal note:
of course people care more when someone is shot in their own neighborhood. and where exactly do you think new residents are coming from, if not from neighborhoods they've been priced out of?
people DO complain about lousy grocery stores, only to get told they're ruining the neighborhood by buying cheaper, better produce from fresh direct. (or something. that logic always seems shaky.)
hey, where's the outrage that new residents are (often) paying market rate while old residents are (often) paying way less because of rent stabilization?
and speaking as a new resident living at the edge of my means, thanks for the free stuff. i love it. everything in my apartment is either ikea, flea market, or curb. i kind of doubt the slightly rusty 40s breadbox and the beat-up lamp stand/drawers with 60s liner paper came from new residents, but whatever. -
RBG wrote: Everyday, someone in Brooklyn is shot and killed. Where is the outrage when the bullets go off in Bushwick or Bed Stuy, or Coney Island? For you, its only an issue because shots rang out in your little quasi-safe neighborhood.
I think you'd have a hard time finding someone here that thinks shootings are okay anywhere. However, these boards are neighborhood-specific, thus we discuss what is happening in OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.RBG wrote: Where is the outrage when people are kicked out of their homes to make way for people who can afford higher rents?
This sucks. It really does. But, is it new? Is it only confined to our neighborhood? No, and no.RBG wrote: Where is the outrage when the only daycare center built in this neighborhood in recent memory charges almost $10,000 per year?
I would assume this is what they need to charge to get by, but I have no idea. You should open a daycare center.RBG wrote: Where is the outrage when the bodegas and grocery store owners charge inflated prices for staples like milk, bread, and sugar? For nutritionally inferior products?
Seriously? When have smaller stores like bodegas ever been competitive with larger grocery stores? The early 1900s? Go to the supermarket. Even the worst neighborhoods have one nearby.RBG wrote: Where is the outrage when new people leave their trash on our streets and put up little signs that say "free stuff"---like we really want your garbage??
Not confined to this neighborhood, nor is it a newbie/old salty and/or black/white issue. Have you ever been to Eugene, OR? Pretty common there, too. Free stuff...what an outrage!! Let's just put it in our landfills rather than give someone else a chance to use it.RBG wrote: Where is the outrage when old residents (black) have to live in delapidated apartments while new residents (white) get renovated apartments with new appliances and fresh coats of paint??
There is no way you believe this deep down...nor could it ever be validated with even remotely related facts. -
you have GOT to be kidding me. I remember when I was moving out of washington heights to prospect heights. my then boyfriend, a black jazz musician, (I'm a white cuban woman, for the record) freaked out. he used to live at washington & bergen 13 years ago and was like "omg, that's the most dangerous neighborhood! people get shot and stabbed there all the time! you're so much safer here!" meanwhile, bullet through my window in harlem, woman raped on the 2/3 platform at 2 in the afternoon on a monday, guy stabbed on the 1 platform at 2 in the afternoon on a saturday, etc. bullshit. I call bullshit. this is nyc - we live on top of each other and ANY neighborhood that is affordable probably also has a higher instance of violence than totally unaffordable neighborhoods. then again, what about that actress that got stabbed a few years ago in the LES?
so, yes, violence is part of our life here, but that doesn't mean it needs to be tolerated. and that doesn't mean it should be excused.
and holy cow, what is your beef with the free stuff pile? I don't know how many books and records I've picked out of those piles over the years. you're feeling outrage over complete bullshit.
no, I'm not ignorant of wealth, class and race issues in this country. these are social issues that require fundamental change. but they can't be excuses for violence. on any side. -
RBG wrote: Do you really think the police care when a male black (as they like to call them) is killed by a random bullet?
The police come in lots of colors these days, and I think they are as frustrated as you when boys continue to buy illegal guns and kill each other in what seems like an endless cycle of pointless retribution. Why don't we stop blaming the police for boys shooting at each other!Where is the outrage when new people leave their trash on our streets and put up little signs that say "free stuff"---like we really want your garbage??
Leaving free stuff outside is much more common in Park Slope. I recently visited a friend (who now lives in another city), noticed her shirt, and asked her where she bought it. She said she found it in Park Slope - many years ago, when she used to live there.
People try to re-home their stuff because everyone lives in tiny boxes here, so you end up getting rid of perfectly good stuff just because you don't have enough space. It's also a way to "reduce, reuse, recycle". Look up "freegan" on google.Where is the outrage when old residents (black) have to live in delapidated apartments while new residents (white) get renovated apartments with new appliances and fresh coats of paint??
It benefits landlords more than tenants. They do it because under the regulations of rent stabilization, they can raise rents proportionally to the amount they spend on renovation. Since maximizing profit is the goal, they use cheap materials and hire local super guys to do the work. In my personal experience, it's shoddily done cosmetic improvements done with bad materials. I'd rather have an unrenovated, less expensive apartment and paint/do the floors myself.Random shootings occur when people, regardless of color, have nothing left to lose. People shoot guns for fun when a little time in jail is better than life on St. Johns Place.
Or maybe it's because of lead poisoning?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/07/AR2007070701073.html -
RBG wrote: Don't tell me about snitching. And please don't tell me about gentrification. Random shootings occur when people, regardless of color, have nothing left to lose. People shoot guns for fun when a little time in jail is better than life on St. Johns Place. I challenge you to take a real look at what the heck is going on in this neighborhood. This is what happens when people are left with no hope and have nothing to live for. When you get a second, just take a few real moments to look at what the neighborhood's become. Its right there in black and white.
Is life that bad on St John's place?
The is no hope and nothing to live for, please explain?
What exactly has the neighborhood become?
Is the shooting somehow the fault of white people moving in to the neighborhood in the last 10 years? Who is really to blame for the shooting?I'm just trying to understand the point of your post.
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RBG wrote: Where is the outrage when people are kicked out of their homes?...when the only daycare center built in this neighborhood in recent memory charges almost $10,000 per year?...when the bodegas and grocery store owners charge inflated prices for staples like milk, bread, and sugar?....
I refer you to your last post: apples and oranges. And pears, bananas, and pineapples.
Don't tell me about snitching. And please don't tell me about gentrification.
We gotta start somewhere, RBG. May as well begin with an open call for neighbors who stand up for each others' safety instead of for their wrong-doing, no? -
Where is the outrage when new people leave their trash on our streets and put up little signs that say "free stuff"---like we really want your garbage??
This happens in EVERY neighborhood in New York (and many beyond NY). I have or used to have stuff in my apartment I pulled off curbs in Park Slope, Windsor Terrace, and the West Village. A former colleague loved to go trash-picking on "large item" day in her hometown of Maplewood, NJ.
As for the rest of your post, honestly, it just sounds like a bunch of ranting designed to obfuscate the fact that you're not doing the right thing by going along with the "no snitching" policy. Yeah, of course, the problems you enumerated are real and serious and deserving of outrage. But how exactly does their existence justify the decision to keep your mouth shut about this shooting? I mean, really, is that decision supposed to show that you DO give a damn when a "male black" —or whoever—gets shot? -
No, no... RBG is right. We should take a good look at our neighborhood, figure out what needs to change, and then absolutely refuse to speak up about it for the sake of staying in our neighbors good graces.
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turaho wrote: No, no... RBG is right. We should take a good look at our neighborhood, figure out what needs to change, and then absolutely refuse to speak up about it for the sake of staying in our neighbors good graces.
Beautifully put, Turaho. =D> -
Subject: back on topic, was he robbed?
I hate to turn this into a version of 20 Questions ...but would like to know:
Did the person who was shot die?
Was he robbed during the shooting?
I was on St. John's shortly after the event and would find the answers very interesting. Note, I am not claiming to have any inside story like the prior poster. Once I know the answers, I'll tell you why I ask the questions. ...not a tease, just a tactical delay. -
re: snitching....what happened w/ the two colleagues of michael's vick who sang like a canary when they were faced w/ jail time? what happened to the no-snitching concept there?
i found it funny that no one has mentioned it in the sports pages...except selena roberts of the nytimes.. -
Subject: Re: back on topic, was he robbed?
whynot_31 wrote: I hate to turn this into a version of 20 Questions ...but would like to know:
Someone in our neighborhood was shot with a possibly illegal firearm and many people heard it. He collapsed on the street in front of witnesses apparently.
Did the person who was shot die?
Was he robbed during the shooting?
I was on St. John's shortly after the event and would find the answers very interesting. Note, I am not claiming to have any inside story like the prior poster. Once I know the answers, I'll tell you why I ask the questions. ...not a tease, just a tactical delay.
Was he robbed?
Who cares.
Robbery was never the sole topic of this thread.
If you have cards (info), put them on the table, newbie.
(P.S. there seem to be a lot of drive by newbies kicking up dust lately, I smell the foul stench of sock-puppetry) -
I would also like to know why he was he shot.... but i do know that he didnt die
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77th precinct contact info:
127 Utica Ave
718.735. 0611
Hope this helps. -
wow..no it doesnt... but thanks anyway
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rbg you are ok with me funny how some took the main issue and went elsewhere with it a few of these open forums are bullshit not because of the topic because of the replies, because someone is not telling on this "board, blog, forum, whatever you want to call it is not ridiculous and that doesn't mean the person(s) didn't inform the correct people who are handling the situation. curses about meetings and all that name calling is uncalled for but i keep in mind that some of the people on this "board" will only do but that and be on this "board' they won't get involved but they will complain about a-z call 311,911 and hope it gets better for them in time without putting any real leg work in. those that are involved i thank you and keep up your good work! i hope you are here not to change it for your eyes only but for everyone who is here and going to be here. a meeting can't prevent any shooting but it is a real place where you communicate with those in your community. being behind keyboards and screens with negative gossip isn't help so don't feel like you are a savior because you are not. corrrect positive solutions are and may i add amongst all people not just this board
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