What happened at St. John's and Underhill?
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my first reply was not because i know and you don't it was for the fact of people talking about what they don't know and they seem fine with it opionions about any topic here is cool but don't run your mouth about serious incidents because you can get online. most people that are being discussed about like the old residents can't defend themselves because they have no idea about this board, but words get around fast because there are some close knit intelligent people in this neighborhood so be very careful on not what you discuss but who you discuss because they are real people unlike......
and for whoever felt like that was a threat its not but i do know the offense/defense some have for this board....
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howdareu wrote: rbg you are ok with me funny how some took the main issue and went elsewhere with it a few of these open forums are bullshit not because of the topic because of the replies, because someone is not telling on this "board, blog, forum, whatever you want to call it is not ridiculous and that doesn't mean the person(s) didn't inform the correct people who are handling the situation. curses about meetings and all that name calling is uncalled for but i keep in mind that some of the people on this "board" will only do but that and be on this "board' they won't get involved but they will complain about a-z call 311,911 and hope it gets better for them in time without putting any real leg work in. those that are involved i thank you and keep up your good work! i hope you are here not to change it for your eyes only but for everyone who is here and going to be here. a meeting can't prevent any shooting but it is a real place where you communicate with those in your community behind keyboards and screens don't feel like you are a savior because you are not
whatever.
I don't want to be a savior; I want criminals locked up.
No one is under any obligation to be any more involved than they want to be in any neighborhood. Sorry, this is America.
We pay taxes and have the right to call on the use of public service (311, police, fireman, trash collection, etc.) as much as we want. Whether a person is "involved" enough in the neighborhood to your standards or not doesn't matter in case of reporting crime. We will keep calling.
We work, we pay taxes, we live where we can afford and, if we can, we buy what we can afford . We vote and we bring attention to issues we think are important to the people that can do something about it, as do you - oh wait, you don't snitch.
I don't need to "communicate" with jackasses toting guns - that's what the police are for - and I will be calling too. I like that fact that crime is going down in this area and I hope it continues to go down. And even though I do volunteer in my community, it is not the responsibility of anyone on this board to raise other people's children for them or to teach them right from wrong. It is not their fault that they live where they can afford and are making an INVESTMENT in a community that they like.
Many people have lived here for decades and generations and claim it is "their" neighborhood. but if you have not actively tried to invest in it, if you don't own any piece of property in it, if you don't clean it and don't report crimes and if you don't vote locally....it really isn't your neighborhood after all...you're just a visitor. And like all visitors, you will be leaving soon.
If people do start to come in and do these things, then so be it. I think it makes the neighborhood better.
We live here; welcome to MY neighborhood, NEWBIE! -
but don't run your mouth about serious incidents because you can get online. most people that are being discussed about like the old residents can't defend themselves because they have no idea about this board
i know excatly what you mean i spoke to someone ealrier that had
no idea about this board and the things being said and the person has been on this block since i was 7 yrs old .........long time ago -
I am one of those newbies who rarely posts, but is a long time reader. (joined 2006...) No sock puppetry is in play.
I post today because I was on St John's that night, and that is rare ...I'm usually asleep in my comfy Eastern Parkway apt.
...I'm glad to hear the guy didn't die. I remain interested in whether he was robbed.
I'd be particularly interested in knowing if the shooter ran, and in what direction.
I'm not sure I'll get a credible answer here, but figure I'd give it a shot (no pun intended). -
[quote="abc123"]
but don't run your mouth about serious incidents because you can get online. most people that are being discussed about like the old residents can't defend themselves because they have no idea about this board
1. So what are YOU doing to improve the neighborhood exactly.
no idea about this board and the things being said and the person has been on this block since i was 7 yrs old .........long time ago
2. I would say most people on this board know EXACTLY what is going on in the neighborhood and find out even more from posts.
Seriously abc123, what is your point?
Is it somehow the fault of newer residents (read: white people) that fools are shooting each other - or even shooting themselves?
Being here in this neighborhood since you were 7 yrs old gives you no special pass or rights. Do you own property or shares in PH? A business?It doesn't sound like it.
You have barely put together a comprehensive thought in all of your posts.What is your grand vision for St. Johns and PH in general? Share it with us AND the police that are now staking out St. Johns.
Please, educate us poor, ignorant, new people in the neighborhood.
For those of you who have not figured it out : abc123 = howdareu.
based on the grammar and spelling - or they went to the same school. -
time-out.
i hate to be the voice of reason, even briefly, but a couple of things:
7180: i don't think howdareu said anything about not snitching. that was rbg. howdareu doesn't want to share info on this forum, but didn't say anything about not talking to the police.
howdareu: watch out for the beam in your own eye re:name-calling. maybe i'm REALLY misreading your tone (especially towards kwac), but it certainly is misread-able.
time-in. -
howdareu's signature wrote: if you are not a part of the solution..you are a part of the problem
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abc123 wrote:
but don't run your mouth about serious incidents because you can get online. most people that are being discussed about like the old residents can't defend themselves because they have no idea about this board
1. So what are YOU doing to improve the neighborhood exactly.
no idea about this board and the things being said and the person has been on this block since i was 7 yrs old .........long time ago
2. I would say most people on this board know EXACTLY what is going on in the neighborhood and find out even more from posts.
Seriously abc123, what is your point?
Is it somehow the fault of newer residents (read: white people) that fools are shooting each other - or even shooting themselves?
Being here in this neighborhood since you were 7 yrs old gives you no special pass or rights. Do you own property or shares in PH? A business?It doesn't sound like it.
You have barely put together a comprehensive thought in all of your posts.What is your grand vision for St. Johns and PH in general? Share it with us AND the police that are now staking out St. Johns.
Please, educate us poor, ignorant, new people in the neighborhood.
first i never said that i lived on the block i've spent plenty of days & nights there as a child i.e ( sleepovers block parties and family functions)
second like i stated earlier which you might need to go reread i was replying to howdareu.... the person that i talked to who has been on st john's since i was 7 yrs old had no idea about this post or the things being said
and as far as you trying to insult me save it for someone who will go back n forth with you with insults because i will not -
sweet tea wrote: time-out.
Understood, but I was responding specifically to RGB about the snitching and also to howdareu on the calling 311 without pitting in "legwork" - whatever the hell that is...?
i hate to be the voice of reason, even briefly, but a couple of things:
7180: i don't think howdareu said anything about not snitching. that was rbg. howdareu doesn't want to share info on this forum, but didn't say anything about not talking to the police.
howdareu: watch out for the beam in your own eye re:name-calling. maybe i'm REALLY misreading your tone (especially towards kwac), but it certainly is misread-able.
time-in.
Let's say a person shot themselves accidentally or on purpose.
This thread started because of shots fired....whatever their intent or purpose. If I live in the neighborhood and I HEAR gunfire, I'm callin' po'-po'.
I let my fingers do the "legwork" 9-1-1. -
HDU, first off, it would be nice if you could use some punctuation in your posts. I'm not saying that just to nitpick, either—your posts are seriously hard to decipher with all the sentences running into each other.
Second, it would be nice if you could ground your posts in reality. You don't know the people here in real life, and you don't know how they spend their time in the 3-D world. Why are you hectoring people about community involvement, old vs. new residents, etc., when you DO NOT KNOW how long anyone has lived here, whether/how they volunteer in the community, which if any community organizations they belong to, or anything else of that nature?my first reply was not because i know and you don't it was for the fact of people talking about what they don't know and they seem fine with it opionions about any topic here is cool but don't run your mouth about serious incidents because you can get online.
And here is the crux of your postings: you don't want anyone not approved by you to be talking about the shooting online. Well, tough luck. People will discuss what interests them, and it kinda goes without saying that a shooting on the block where they live will capture people's interest. Allow me to point out that nobody here (except KWAC , who likely does know what he's talking about) is claiming to know for a fact what happened on Saturday night. People are merely asking questions and reporting what they've heard from other people. And, IMO, most people are making it very clear that they're just passing along stuff they've heard or whatever, and that they do not know the facts of the case. Certainly, no one has claimed to know the identity of the shooter or attempted to get anyone in trouble. What is the big deal? -
SevenOneEighty wrote: [quote=abc123]
but don't run your mouth about serious incidents because you can get online. most people that are being discussed about like the old residents can't defend themselves because they have no idea about this board
1. So what are YOU doing to improve the neighborhood exactly.
no idea about this board and the things being said and the person has been on this block since i was 7 yrs old .........long time ago
2. I would say most people on this board know EXACTLY what is going on in the neighborhood and find out even more from posts.
Seriously abc123, what is your point?
Is it somehow the fault of newer residents (read: white people) that fools are shooting each other - or even shooting themselves?
Being here in this neighborhood since you were 7 yrs old gives you no special pass or rights. Do you own property or shares in PH? A business?It doesn't sound like it.
You have barely put together a comprehensive thought in all of your posts.What is your grand vision for St. Johns and PH in general? Share it with us AND the police that are now staking out St. Johns.
Please, educate us poor, ignorant, new people in the neighborhood.
first i never said that i lived on the block i've spent plenty of days & nights there as a child i.e ( sleepovers block parties and family functions)
second like i stated earlier which you might need to go reread i was replying to howdareu.... the person that i talked to who has been on st john's since i was 7 yrs old had no idea about this post or the things being said
and as far as you trying to insult me save it for someone who will go back n forth with you with insults because i will not
your posts are very difficult to understand because your writing is not clear. I am not trying to insult you, but understand what is your point and what you are talking about in your posts? You write in this cryptic prose without punctuation...or a point -
most people that are being discussed about like the old residents can't defend themselves because they have no idea about this board, but words get around fast because there are some close knit intelligent people in this neighborhood
--from howdareu
And in response to this I replied with
I know excatly what you mean I spoke to someone ealrier that had
no idea about this board and the things being said and that person has been on this block since I was 7 yrs old .........long time ago.
The point of this was to validate what was stated previously about the old residents not knowing about this board to defend themselves.
I hope this helps you to understand it better. -
abc123 wrote:
Okay, but I am still trying to understand what "older residents", are going to need to defend themselves about. this is an online community board that discusses events and activities in this neighborhood. No one is going out of their way to harm people in this neighborhood - old or new.most people that are being discussed about like the old residents can't defend themselves because they have no idea about this board, but words get around fast because there are some close knit intelligent people in this neighborhood
--from howdareu
And in response to this I replied with
I know excatly what you mean I spoke to someone ealrier that had
no idea about this board and the things being said and that person has been on this block since I was 7 yrs old .........long time ago.
The point of this was to validate what was stated previously about the old residents not knowing about this board to defend themselves.
I hope this helps you to understand it better.
I still don't understand the point of your posts or HDU's posts ( I still think you two are the same person positing under 2 names unless someone knows otherwise - I guess a mod could confirm by ip address and I will stand corrected. You both write the same way).
It would be great if "older residents" joined the board or anything else in the neighborhood; this is a public website for the neighborhood and hardly a secret. They can even start their won website if they want - its not a hard club to join and no one is being excluded.
The point is always that people posting usually have something to add to an ongoing, dynamic discussion...that's how we roll. -
abc123 wrote:
Okay, I get what you're saying here, except for one part: What is the attack that "old" residents need to "defend" themselves from here? I'm all for more long-time residents getting involved here, but nobody's attacking them.
The point of this was to validate what was stated previously about the old residents not knowing about this board to defend themselves.
Here's what people got mad about:
1) howdareu joining this thread and disputing the one account of what happened, then claiming he knew what REALLY happened but wasn't going to tell us. I think a big part of why this part of the discussion has gotten so nasty is howdareu's tone, frankly, which hasn't been particularly neighborly. Like, for instance, this weird sort-of-threat of getting his friends to come to this site to... do I don't know quite what. If they want to participate in the conversations here and can do so nicely, they're more than welcome.
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2) RBG's claim that she has some information on what happened but doesn't want to give it to the police, because she thinks they'll figure it out on their own. She has continuously ignored the argument that giving the police a lead might save them some time and energy that could then be channeled towards other crimes, and that has frustrated people.
Neither of those things are attacking long-time residents of the neighborhood as a group in ANY way.
And nobody should assume that there aren't long-time neighborhood residents posting already. There are lots of lifelong Brooklyn folks on this site. -
SevenOneEighty wrote: I still don't understand the point of your posts or HDU's posts ( I still think you two are the same person positing under 2 names unless someone knows otherwise - I guess a mod could confirm by ip address and I will stand corrected. You both write the same way).
Let me just clear this up right now: howdareu and abc123 are posting from separate IP addresses.
In the future, you can always PM a moderator or admin to ask them to check on this, which might be better than making implications or accusations of sockpuppetry. Just an idea to keep the peace. -
apollonia666 wrote: [quote=SevenOneEighty]I still don't understand the point of your posts or HDU's posts ( I still think you two are the same person positing under 2 names unless someone knows otherwise - I guess a mod could confirm by ip address and I will stand corrected. You both write the same way).
Let me just clear this up right now: howdareu and abc123 are posting from separate IP addresses.
In the future, you can always PM a moderator or admin to ask them to check on this, which might be better than making implications or accusations of sockpuppetry. Just an idea to keep the peace.
thank you -
^ I stand corrected. they are separate ip addresses...I am having a hard time understanding BOTH of them equally and separately.
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apollonia666 wrote: [quote=abc123]
Okay, I get what you're saying here, except for one part: What is the attack that "old" residents need to "defend" themselves from here? I'm all for more long-time residents getting involved here, but nobody's attacking them.
The point of this was to validate what was stated previously about the old residents not knowing about this board to defend themselves.
Here's what people got mad about:
1) howdareu joining this thread and disputing the one account of what happened, then claiming he knew what REALLY happened but wasn't going to tell us. I think a big part of why this part of the discussion has gotten so nasty is howdareu's tone, frankly, which hasn't been particularly neighborly. Like, for instance, this weird sort-of-threat of getting his friends to come to this site to... do I don't know quite what. If they want to participate in the conversations here and can do so nicely, they're more than welcome.
and
2) RBG's claim that she has some information on what happened but doesn't want to give it to the police, because she thinks they'll figure it out on their own. She has continuously ignored the argument that giving the police a lead might save them some time and energy that could then be channeled towards other crimes, and that has frustrated people.
Neither of those things are attacking long-time residents of the neighborhood as a group in ANY way.
And nobody should assume that there aren't long-time neighborhood residents posting already. There are lots of lifelong Brooklyn folks on this site.
As I have written before..... earlier today I spoke to a long time resident of St. John's place who happens to be a member of my family, ( who also called me the night that this happen to inform me of what took place) in this conversation we had I mention to this person that I came across this website when searching online. This person had no clue that such a thing existed especially about her "beloved" st.john's and the broad amount of topics that are being discussed. They asked me for the website and plans to become a member and offer some knowledge to different topics that are posted
I never assumed that there was or wasnt lifelong brooklyn folks on this site I just know of a few who arent
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abc123 wrote: As I have written before..... earlier today I spoke to a long time resident of St. John's place who happens to be a member of my family, ( who also called me the night that this happen to inform me of what took place) in this conversation we had I mention to this person that I came across this website when searching online. This person had no clue that such a thing existed especially about her "beloved" st.john's and the broad amount of topics that are being discussed. They asked me for the website and plans to become a member and offer her knowledge to different topics that are posted
Everything else aside, it's great that your relative is going to check the site out and I hope she joins in on the discussion. Hey, maybe SHE knows what happened at St. John's and Underhill!
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Glad I was spared additional suspicion. But, I will add that I have my own IP address...
Meanwhile, I fear my questions may have been lost in the fracas.
Has anyone heard (or perhaps know first hand):
Whether the guy was robbed of $ or drugs before being shot?
What direction the shooter ran?
Note, I'm not asking for a description of the guy... so snitching isn't an issue. This info should be pretty widely known (not snitchy) given the number of people who were out that night. -
is seven mad sounds like it and talk for yourself not others and how do you know about those who live here that didn't invest you are so ignorant i see, dial to your fingers bleed
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SevenOneEighty wrote: ^ I stand corrected. they are separate ip addresses...I am having a hard time understanding BOTH of them equally and separately.
Regardless, you're the only one making any kind of sense whatsoever on this thread. -
people are replying with comments about punctuation are you serious?
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read it twice and s l o w l y
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I see some people read what they want to read and reply to want they want to reply too inside the bigger message. I also know some people on here do not u n d e r s t a n d sensible things. Writing with your emotions and making little sense is ..........
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Well, punctuation exists for a reason—because it's freaking hard to read a big chunk of text that has none. I don't give people crap over typos, misspellings, or basic grammar errors, but when a post is so messed up that it's truly a pain to read, then, yeah, I might comment.
read it twice and s l o w l y
No offense, but your posts don't exactly merit that much attention. Take the time to use a few punctuation marks, and I will take the time to figure out what you are saying.Writing with your emotions and making little sense is ..........
Is this supposed to be a fill-in-the-blank kind of thing? 'Cause I could think of a few good endings for that sentence.
ABC123, that's cool that you told your relative on St. John's about this site, and I hope she does show up here and contribute her thoughts! -
You love me replying to you, I am making your fingers so strong. The topic and you are not on the same page and I am so entertained by you and it will be only for the time I allow!
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So I've yet to hear the "real" story, basically this turned into every other thread on this board. For an update on this incident, this was not a Robbery according to the victim/perpetrator. 1)The shooter fled on foot. 2)The nice man is still handcuffed to a bed at Kings County Hospital charged with Criminal Possession of a Controlled substance. 3) If you'd like to know more, family members may visit him at the hospital with written authorization from the 77 pct.
P.S. I fish out stuff from peoples garbage too! -
More wrong info, you have to love it. It's been nice all.
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howdareu: This is not an attack on you. But how is this attitude going to help the community? Clearly you are someone who has close ties to the St.John's block association.
How is the St.John's block association handling this situation?
What can be done by the good people of St.John's (Old, New, black and white)?
We must stand together as a community. You need to get the block association's voice on this forum. You need to start bringing people to the table and talk. Yes, people should go to meetings, but they should also get info from those meetings in a newsletter or posting on here.
Please.....Please be a voice of reason. Don't shut down.
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