Dance Studio was kicked out after 32 YEARS at 808 Union?

i think there is a post about this a while back.

i'm not going to get into the particulars here because i don't know them. i'll just comment on a few things.

--is it always about $$? yes, it is. it's how you handle making that money is what makes the difference between good people and bad.

--onlytheblog... yadda yadda. she has her own agenda, and is sometimes very clever and sometimes so not clever at all and i think she has a very high opinion of herself. she's a little toxic herself, IMHO

cat wrote:

I wonder if our culture is getting infiltrated to become a lot more MEAN and if it has anything to do with real estate and Bush, et al and his go get 'em cowboy-revenge thing. (even people who don't support him, I think are being influenced.) The whole "see something, say something" game which instills an element of distrust.

(SP?)

Getting infiltrated? What the heck does that mean? Remove the tinfoil hat now before it's too late.

Jennifer has moved to a new AMAZING space on Sackett btw 3rd & 4th. This will be alot easier for people w/strollers to navigate; which is a huge part of her business. Kudos for her.

"Quigley" wrote:

I posted the new location of the dance studio since Jennifer told me the landlord wouldn't let her put up a sign to tell people where she moved.

Really? That seems like a needlessly jerky thing to do, if true.

nkotsonis, we know you read this board. Is that true? If so, why wouldn't you let her post the new address? How would that hurt you?

Jennifer had never spoken to us about that. She left at the end of June, and that was that.
For her to say that we did not allow her to post a sign is a blatant lie.
The only time I ran into her was on the street, she stated that the owner of the new location will not let her put up any signs. Maybe this is the confusion. You have confused the new owner on Sackett Street with me and everyone is blaming me.
To clear the record. Jennifer never spoke to us about a relocation sign.
She told me that she told all her customers, and did not need anything.
Maybe she isn't doing as well in the new location, and feels she now needs to make excuses to justify her failures.

"caseopele" wrote: Before any craziness happens, let me clarify that Jennifer told me her old landlord wouldn't let her post the new address. That was the reason I posted the new location for her, to get the word out. Absolutely no other reason, just want to make that clear.

Well then, Jennifer lied to you.

"belzjm" wrote: "Maybe she isn't doing as well in the new location, and feels she now needs to make excuses to justify her failures."


What a disgusting thing to say.

You should know kid.

"caseopele" wrote:

Well then, Jennifer lied to you.

Considering I know Jennifer a bit and I don't know you at all, you'll understand why I believe her instead of you. Especially after you commented on this board months ago that you were taking over the space for your own operations.

I did.
We sublet half the space to Kiddville, and using the other half for ourselves.
Or haven't you noticed that Kiddville has half the space.

No,
What's disrespectful is to now lie about what transpired between myself and the tenant.
For the old tenant to state falsehoods to her customers and the papers, that's wrong.
If she has hard feelings, that's her perogative, but do not put words into my mouth that was never said.
Then she is making excuses.

There is an article in the Brooklyn paper about her new space.
In the article she says that money was never discussed and that she feels deceived.
Deceived about what?
We told her 6 months before her lease was to expire that we were not renewing. She knew that it wasn't about money. We are taking the building in a different direction, and expanding our own operations. At that time, she said she "understood".
We have taken over half of the space for ourselves and sublet the rest to Kiddville.
Where was the deception?
By saying phrases like that give the mistaken impression that we pulled some kind of stunt. Then to tell her customers that we didn't allow her to do things that she never discussed with us.
THAT'S DECEPTION.

nkotsonis wrote: By saying phrases like that give the mistaken impression that we pulled some kind of stunt. Then to tell her customers that we didn't allow her to do things that she never discussed with us.
THAT'S DECEPTION.

Fair enough, but it looks like you gave a "no comment" to Brooklyn Papers (or at least didn't make much of an effort to make yourself available). Is that the case? Did you pass up your opportunity to tell your side of the story?

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/35/30_35danceslope.html

... Though satisfied with the end result, Kliegel still felt burned by the white-hot Park Slope real-estate market.

“There was never any money discussion with me,” she said. “I feel deceived.” ...

... Kliegel’s previous landlords, George and Nicholas Kotsonis, were not available for comment.

We're loyal Dance Studio customers. Back in the spring when we were told that the Dance Studio's lease was not being renewed, the sole reason given was that the landlords were taking over the space for themselves. There was no mention of Kidville moving into the space - that was only announced right after class sessions for the Dance Studio ended in June. It seems rather obvious to me that this omission was deliberate, as few people (that I know, anyway) would want a local institution booted for an expensive Manhattan-based playspace chain. If this is not outright deceptive, it is at least a little sneaky and not exactly endearing to those of us who like to support local businesses, esp. longtime businesses who arguably helped improve the neighborhood (at least for those of us who have or don't mind small children).
I honestly don't begrudge a landlord the right to make a profit, whether the landlord is enjoying the returns from an investment made in the community long ago, or if he just inherited the business from his grandparents.
I do think that if a landlord is reaping a great windfall from a neighborhood's perceived desirability, perhaps a better attempt could be made to preserve those elements contributing to said aura of desirability. It isn't as though the Dance Studio had been a deadbeat tenant or had been given a chance to meet a rent increase and couldn't.

The Chipster wrote: nkotsonis has been honest and regular on this forum.

Isn't this the guy who made up multiple fake identities to promote his gym on this board?