Damn, the NY Times was gonna publish my letter, but...
They reneged b/c I wanted to post under a pseudonym or anonymously. WTF?
They were going to publish a letter I wrote criticizing an editorial which called low-wage jobs "dead-end" but simultaneously called for an increase in the minimum wage, which may eliminate those very jobs altogether. I was just saying that unemployment is far more of a dead end than low-wage employment, so we should encourage all the employment we can, and then provide public assistance to fill in the gaps and help people get ahead.
They were actually going to publish it, but then pulled the plug b/c I wanted to remain anonymous. Come on, my parents (not to mention all of downtown Bklyn) are raving socialists--I can't have my secret free market leanings exposed in print!! What is a closet capitalist to do?
Not sure if I understand this NYT policy. Isn't it the substance of the letter that counts? :?
They were going to publish a letter I wrote criticizing an editorial which called low-wage jobs "dead-end" but simultaneously called for an increase in the minimum wage, which may eliminate those very jobs altogether. I was just saying that unemployment is far more of a dead end than low-wage employment, so we should encourage all the employment we can, and then provide public assistance to fill in the gaps and help people get ahead.
They were actually going to publish it, but then pulled the plug b/c I wanted to remain anonymous. Come on, my parents (not to mention all of downtown Bklyn) are raving socialists--I can't have my secret free market leanings exposed in print!! What is a closet capitalist to do?
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Subject: Re: Damn, the NY Times was gonna publish my letter, but...
escap wrote: What is a closet capitalist to do?
ahhhhhh, FINALLY
Not sure if I understand this NYT policy. Isn't it the substance of the letter that counts? :?
the difference between writing on this message board and a legit newspaper is revealed . . . -
The Times policy is appropriate. I always check the author and affiliation of the letter writers because it often reveals a bias, or someone with a specific interest in the content of the letter. For example, a letter written in support of the U.S. Iraq invasion written by a concerned citizen as opposed to the White House Press Secretary are two entirely different things. A letter advocating the abolition of rent control/rent stabilization written by the head of the New York State Landlord Association would be spin and nothing more.
Real news organizations know that the source of the information is just as important as the information itself. -
Subject: Re: Damn, the NY Times was gonna publish my letter, but...
pitu wrote: [quote=escap]What is a closet capitalist to do?
ahhhhhh, FINALLY
Not sure if I understand this NYT policy. Isn't it the substance of the letter that counts? :?
the difference between writing on this message board and a legit newspaper is revealed . . .
Speaking of which, why don't you publish it here? -
Subject: Re: Damn, the NY Times was gonna publish my letter, but...
doctorj wrote: [quote=pitu][quote=escap]What is a closet capitalist to do?
ahhhhhh, FINALLY
Not sure if I understand this NYT policy. Isn't it the substance of the letter that counts? :?
the difference between writing on this message board and a legit newspaper is revealed . . .
Speaking of which, why don't you publish it here?
Yeah, I guess the policy makes sense. Still, even my middle name? That seems pretty rigid, or maybe they just got sick of me and decided to use someone less bothersome.
Anyway, the gist of it was what I wrote above (and also what I just posted in the New to the Area thread). Nothing new beyond my typical rantings on this board. -
Why are the same lame arguments against minimum wage still being tossed around DECADES after proven wrong? Anyone who doesn't support a hike in the minimum wage should be diced and fed to the homeless.
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Subject: Re: Damn, the NY Times was gonna publish my letter, but...
escap wrote: Come on, my parents (not to mention all of downtown Bklyn) are raving socialists--I can't have my secret free market leanings exposed in print!! What is a closet capitalist to do?
I'm totally going to 'out' you.
Not sure if I understand this NYT policy. Isn't it the substance of the letter that counts? :?
That is, if I knew who you were. -
devincf wrote: Why are the same lame arguments against minimum wage still being tossed around DECADES after proven wrong? Anyone who doesn't support a hike in the minimum wage should be diced and fed to the homeless.
Care to provide evidence of this proof? I can show you specific studies that show that unemployment among young black men has been shown to increase along with minimum wage, among numerous other studies, not to mention common sense, that show the correlation between unemployment and the minimum wage. In the Clinton years a controversial study claimed to show that there was "little to no harm" caused by a minimum wage increase, which is hardly a ringing endorsement. This, however, was in the 90's. Where's your "decades" old proof?
I think anyone who supports simple-minded, feel good, ignorant policies that actually harm the people they're intended to help should be banned from voting until they go back to school and get a clue. -
escap wrote:
escap - your logic is flawed. The unemployment rate is not a measure of whether or not the minimum wage causes job losses. An increase in the minimum wage actually increases the participation in the workforce which drives unemployment up. There is absolutely no evidence that an increase in the minimum wage causes a loss in jobs.
Care to provide evidence of this proof? I can show you specific studies that show that unemployment among young black men has been shown to increase along with minimum wage, among numerous other studies, not to mention common sense, that show the correlation between unemployment and the minimum wage. ..... -
The decades old proof is the successful implementation of a minimum wage. The same lame arguments you make - the exact same ones - were made when the minimum wage was first considered.
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Here is just the beginning of a long list of studies on the minimum wage. I would include the entire list but it takes up several pages. As you'll see, the findings are mixed, but a majority show negative effects. Contrary to your claims, there is in fact no consensus among economists on the overall pros and cons of minimum wage--you can find serious economists who argue for each side, and there is of course evidence to support each argument. However, the basic underlying principle that people will purchase less of something (including labor) if it is more expensive, is unchallenged. Your claim that America's experience with the minimum wage has been "successful" is highly debatable.
Adams, F. Gerard. 1987. Increasing the Minimum Wage: The Macroeconomic Impacts. Briefing Paper, Economic Policy Institute (July).
Edit: these should be noted as well.
Finds that an increase in the minimum wage from $3.35 to $4.65 over three years would increase the unemployment rate by less than 0.1% and the inflation rate by 0.2%.
Adie, Douglas K. 1973. Teen-Age Unemployment and Real Federal Minimum Wages. Journal of Political Economy, vol. 81 (March/April): 435-441.
Finds that the minimum wage is responsible for a considerable amount of teenage unemployment.
Al-Salam, Nabeel; Quester, Aline; and Welch, Finis. 1981. Some Determinants of the Level and Racial Composition of Teenage Employment. In Rottenberg (1981a): 124-154.
Notes that in 1954, black teenage males were more likely to be employed than white teenage males. Since that time, the proportion of black teenage males employed has fallen sharply, while employment for white teenage males has risen. Expansion of coverage of the minimum wage appears to be a major factor in this trend. Further notes that more than half of all teenagers would earn more in the absence of a minimum wage.
Bauer, P.T. 1959. Regulated Wages in Under-developed Countries. In The Public Stake in Union Power, ed. Philip D. Bradley. Charlottesville, VA: University of Virginia Press, 324-349.
Argues that the negative effects of minimum wage laws in LDCs is even greater than in industrialized countries, because there is greater diversity of supply and demand for labor in LDCs. Also points out that in South Africa minimum wages helped whites at the expense of blacks.
Behrman, Jere R.; Sickles, Robin C.; and Taubman, Paul. 1983. The Impact of Minimum Wages on the Distributions of Earnings for Major Race-Sex Groups: A Dynamic Analysis. American Economic Review, vol. 73 (September): 766-778.
Finds that the minimum wage has helped white males and females while hurting black males and females.
Bell, Carolyn Shaw. 1981. Minimum Wages and Personal Income. In Rottenberg (1981a): 429-458.
Finds that increases in the minimum wage would benefit few families with incomes below the poverty level. Much of the benefit would accrue to upper income families with secondary earners, such as wives and children.
Beranek, William. 1982. The Illegal Alien Work Force, Demand for Unskilled Labor, and the Minimum Wage. Journal of Labor Research, vol. 3 (Winter): 89-99.
Finds that the minimum wage increases the employment demand for illegal aliens, who are less likely than legal residents to report violations of the labor laws.
Betsey, Charles L., and Dunson, Bruce H. 1981. Federal Minimum Wage Laws and the Employment of Minority Youth. American Economic Review, vol. 71 (May): 379-384.
Argues that employment losses from higher minimum wages have been overstated and that much of the higher unemployment among minority youth has been due to cyclical factors.
Bonilla, Carlos E. 1992. Higher Wages, Greater Poverty. Washington: Employment Policies Institute.
Finds that the 1991 increase in the federal minimum wage actually reduced the income of some single parents, after welfare and taxes are taken into account.
Brandon, Peter D. 1995. Jobs Taken by Mothers Moving from Welfare to Work and the Effects of Minimum Wages on this Transition. Washington: Employment Policies Institute Foundation.
Finds a decrease in work by women on welfare in states raising their minimum wages and an increase in time on welfare in such states.
Brown, Charles. 1988. Minimum Wage Laws: Are They Overrated? Journal of Economic Perspectives, vol. 2 (Summer): 133-145.
Finds that they employment impact of the minimum wage and its impact on reducing poverty are both less than generally believed.
Brown, Charles; Gilroy, Curtis; and Kohen, Andrew. 1981a. Effects of the Minimum Wage on Youth Employment and Unemployment. In Minimum Wage Study Commission (1981), vol. 5, pp. 1-26.
Finds that a 10% increase in the minimum wage will reduce teenage employment by 1% to 3%.
Brown, Charles; Gilroy, Curtis; and Kohen, Andrew. 1981b. Time-Series Evidence of the Effect of the Minimum Wage on Teenage Employment and Unemployment. In Minimum Wage Study Commission (1981), vol. 5, pp. 103-127.
Finds that a 10% increase in the minimum wage will reduce teenage employment by 1%.
Brown, Charles; Gilroy, Curtis; and Kohen, Andrew. 1982. The Effect of the Minimum Wage on Employment and Unemployment. Journal of Economic Literature, vol. 20 (June): 487-528.
Summarizes a large volume of research on the minimum wage.
Brozen, Yale. 1962. Minimum Wage Rates and Household Workers. Journal of Law and Economics, vol. 5 (October): 103-109.
Found that increases in the minimum wage drove low-wage workers into uncovered occupations, such as household work. Predicts that broadening of coverage to such occupations will increase structural unemployment.
Brozen, Yale. 1966. Wage Rates, Minimum Wage Laws, and Unemploy-ment. New Individualist Re- view, vol. 4 (Spring): 24-33.
Points out a contradiction between the Johnson Administration's desire to hold wage increases to the rate of productivity growth, in order to reduce inflationary pressures, and its support for a higher minimum wage.
Brozen, Yale. 1969. The Effect of Statutory Minimum Wage Increases on Teen-age Employment. Journal of Law and Economics, vol. 12 (April): 109-122.
Finds that increases in the minimum wage only speed up wage increases that would have occurred over time. However, in the interval between an increase and the time when productivity catches up to it results in higher unemployment and business failures. In the case of teenagers, many who are barred from jobs suffer long-term effects from the failure to gain job skills, thus injuring them permanently.
Card, David. 1992a. Using Regional Variation in Wages to Measure the Effects of the Federal Minimum Wage. Industrial and Labor Relations Review, vol. 46 (October): 22-37.
Finds no evidence that the April, 1990 increase in the minimum wage reduced teenage employment, but does find evidence that it led to higher wages.
Card, David. 1992b. Do Minimum Wages Reduce Employment? A Case Study of California, 1987-89. Industrial and Labor Relations Review, vol. 46 (October): 38-54.
Finds no evidence that an increase in the California state minimum wage in July, 1988 led to any loss in teenage employment, but does find evidence of higher wages.
Card, David, and Krueger, Alan B. 1994. Minimum Wages and Employ-ment: A Case Study of the Fast-Food Industry in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. American Economic Review, vol. 84 (September): 772-793.
Finds no evidence of reduced employment from an increase in the New Jersey state minimum wage in April, 1992.
Colberg, Marshall R. 1960. Minimum Wage Effects on Florida's Economic Development. Journal of Law and Economics, vol. 3 (October): 106-117.
Finds that after an increase in the minimum wage unemployment increased most in the areas where wages were lowest and least in areas where wages were highest beforehand.
Colberg, Marshall. 1981. Minimum Wages and the Distribution of Economic Activity. In Rottenberg (1981a): 247-263.
Examines votes on the minimum wage and finds heavy support for it in high wage states of the North and opposition from low wage states in the South. This suggests that the North was attempting to reduce the South's competitive advantage in wages.
Corbo, Vittorio. 1981. The Impact of Minimum Wages on Industrial Employment in Chile. In Rottenberg (1981a): 340-356.
Finds substantial job losses from the minimum wage in Chile.
Cotterill, Philip. 1981. Differential Legal Minimum Wages. In Rottenberg (1981a): 296-316.
Favors differential minimum wages to reduce the impact of the minimum wage.
Cotterman, Robert F. 1981. The Effects of Federal Minimum Wages on the Industrial Distribution of Teenage Employment. In Rottenberg (1981a): 42-60.
Finds that minimum wages have altered the distribution of teenage employment. Teenagers are less likely to be employed in low wage industries, such as retailing, and increase employment in high wage industries, such as manufacturing.
Cox, James C., and Oaxaca, Ronald L. 1981. The Determinants of Minimum Wage Levels and Coverage in State Minimum Wage Laws. In Rottenberg (1981a): 403-428.
Finds that union support for the minimum wage is significant politically.
Cox, James C., and Oaxaca, Ronald L. 1982. The Political Economy of Minimum Wage Legislation. Economic Inquiry, vol. 20 (October): 533-555.
Explains why unions support minimum wages.
Cox, James C., and Oaxaca, Ronald L. 1986. Minimum Wage Effects With Output Stabilization. Economic Inquiry, vol. 24 (July): 443-453.
Finds that the minimum wage causes unskilled wages to be 15.7% higher than they otherwise would be, and that this causes employment to be 11.2% lower than it otherwise would be.
Cunningham, James. 1981. The Impact of Minimum Wages on Youth Employment, Hours of Work, and School Attendance: Cross-sectional Evidence from the 1960 and 1970 Censuses. In Rottenberg (1981a): 88-123.
Finds that minimum wages discourage part-time work and lowers school attendance.
Currie, Janet, and Fallick, Bruce. 1993. A Note on the New Minimum Wage Research. National Bureau of Economic Research Working Paper No. 4348 (April).
Finds that employed individuals affected by the increases in the minimum wage in 1979 and 1980 were 3% to 4% less likely to be employed a year later. Since the methodology employed is similar to that in Card (1992a and 1992b), it casts doubt on any generalization of his conclusions.
Datcher, Linda P., and Loury, Glenn C. 1981. The Effect of Minimum Wage Legislation on the Distribution of Family Earnings Among Blacks and Whites. In Minimum Wage Study Commission (1981), vol. 7, pp. 125-146.
Finds that an increase in the minimum wage increases white family incomes more than black family incomes. Also, middle- and high-income families benefit more than low-income families.
Douty, H.M. 1960. Some Effects of the $1.00 Minimum Wage in the United States. Economica, vol. 27 (May): 137-147.
Finds that the increase in the minimum wage from 75 cents to $1.00 in 1956 did lead to an increase in pay for many workers, but at the cost of jobs. Long-term employment losses by industry ranged from 3.2% to 15%.
Iden, George. 1980. The Labor Force Experience of Black Youth: A Review. Monthly Labor Review, vol. 103 (August): 10-16.
Concedes that the minimum wage has had a significant negative effect on teenage employment, especially for blacks.
Linneman, Peter. 1982. The Economic Impacts of Minimum Wage Laws: A New Look at an Old Question. Journal of Political Economy, vol. 90 (June): 443-469.
Finds that the disemployment effects of the minimum wage fall mainly on blacks, females, restricted individuals, residents of small cities, those with low education, the old, and non-union members. Beneficiaries of the minimum wage mainly are males and union members.
Meyer, Robert H., and Wise, David A. 1983a. The Effects of the Minimum Wage on the Employment and Earnings of Youth. Journal of Labor Economics, vol. 1 (January): 66-100.
Estimates that abolition of the minimum wage would have led to significantly higher employment among youth, especially black youth. Finds no evidence of higher earnings from the minimum wage.
Welch, Finis. 1974. Minimum Wage Legislation in the United States. Economic Inquiry, vol. 12 (September): 285-318.
Finds that the minimum wage has reduced employment, especially among teenagers; it has made teenagers more vulnerable to the business cycle; and has forced teenagers out of covered occupations into those not covered by the minimum wage.
Welch, Finis. 1978. Minimum Wages: Issues and Evidence. Washington: American Enterprise Institute.
Finds that those primarily affected by the minimum wage are the aged, teenagers, and part-time workers.
Welch, Finis, and Cunningham, James. 1978. Effects of Minimum Wages on the Level and Age Composition of Youth Employment. Review of Economics and Statistics, vol. 60 (February): 140-145.
Finds that in 1970 the minimum wage reduced employment of 14-15 year olds by 46%, by 27% for those 16-17, and by 15% for those 18-19.
Williams, Walter. 1977a. Government Sanctioned Restraints that Reduce Economic Opportunities for Minorities. Policy Review (Fall): 7-30.
Argues that minimum wage laws have had a disproportionately negative effect on black teenagers.
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