Election 2008: So is Barrack Obama finished?
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I agree - in fact the only Democrat that speaks to my issues is Dennis Kucinich - the rest are just assembly line politicians that have no perceptible personal value system on which to draw.
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Livetotravel wrote: I agree - in fact the only Democrat that speaks to my issues is Dennis Kucinich - the rest are just assembly line politicians that have no perceptible personal value system on which to draw.
Wait, who are you agreeing with? :?
Obama definitely is not an assembly line politician. -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=Livetotravel]I agree - in fact the only Democrat that speaks to my issues is Dennis Kucinich - the rest are just assembly line politicians that have no perceptible personal value system on which to draw.
Wait, who are you agreeing with? :?
Obama definitely is not an assembly line politician.
Yea,I get that and I like they guy. Change is good and sometimes you need to "send in the kid" to give him and your team a chance to "win the game".
I just want to know what he does STAND for...or WILL stand for...Will he vote NO to additionally funding for the war now? Has he? If so or not, why? Will he withdraw troops from Iraq and what is his exit strategy exactly? How will he deal with Iran? Social Security? National Security?
I want to know why he SHOULDN'T just be Secretary of State or VP instead of president of the United States... This is my problem with him right now. I have never hear him say ANYTHING concrete: I.e, THIS is what we need to do now...
Gimme something here.... -
this might be a good place to start to find out what obama thinks should be done.
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/ -
Yea, I've seen all that, its VERY general and wishful thinking, etc...
It's a beautiful site and I commend his web designer.
He never says what he WILL DO, just that things have to change....that we need "something" different.
I fear that when someone asks for a real answer, he stumbles a little.
I fear what will happen when he is faced with N Korea or Iran since they don't share his optimism...or web designer. -
SevenOneEighty wrote: Will he vote NO to additionally funding for the war now? Has he? If so or not, why? Will he withdraw troops from Iraq and what is his exit strategy exactly? How will he deal with Iran? Social Security? National Security?
He says pretty clearly in the video I posted above that he would bring the troops home by March 2008. That's not vague at all. -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=SevenOneEighty]Will he vote NO to additionally funding for the war now? Has he? If so or not, why? Will he withdraw troops from Iraq and what is his exit strategy exactly? How will he deal with Iran? Social Security? National Security?
He says pretty clearly in the video I posted above that he would bring the troops home by March 2008. That's not vague at all.
HOW?? -
SevenOneEighty wrote: [quote=Carnivore][quote=SevenOneEighty]Will he vote NO to additionally funding for the war now? Has he? If so or not, why? Will he withdraw troops from Iraq and what is his exit strategy exactly? How will he deal with Iran? Social Security? National Security?
He says pretty clearly in the video I posted above that he would bring the troops home by March 2008. That's not vague at all.
HOW??
Do you really expect him to get into military logistics during the campaign? I don't think that's a reasonable expectation. -
But that is EXACTLY what he is doing...isn't it??
You are promising to withdrawal troops within a specific time frame in a current theater of battle...as president of the united states.
Who(m) did you consult? AMerican Generals? Field Commanders? Iraqis? Iran?
this is the type of comment the smells of inexperience...What is your contingency plan if violence picks up?
It would take more than 18-24 months to draw down our troops, equipment and supplies.
Any person promising to do that as president in their first year is either lying or doesn't know what they are talking about. They would have to start the withdrawal 6 months before they are in office...
That bothers me when candidates say these stupid things!!
We need to be demanding hypothetical answers to these hypothetical propsals from ALL candidates.
But Obama must do more than just say things we want to hear...
Interestingly, as a STATE senator, he has more total political office (elected) experience than Hillary. He should play that up MORE than he is now. -
It is generally poor politics to get into logistics while campaigning because that's just begging for your opposition to trip you up. EVERY candidate is vague about how. Hell, Bush is still vague and he's been president for seven years.
I think a good way to judge a candidate is by assessing what he stands for (which his speeches are a good resource) AND by how he's voted in the past (which records are easy to come by). That will give you a good thumbnail of what he would probably be like as president.
If more people paid attention to Bush's record as governor of Texas, do you think he would have been elected? Aside from the crooked shenanigans, that is. -
WIN!
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Nice article from Rolling Stone:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/17652931/obamas_moment -
Yeah, but that article still proved my point, which is that he is pretty Establishment. He made be anti-war (good) but he's hardly a radical.
How do I get my party affiliation switched on my voter registration? I have no party affiliation as of now. -
BARACK WINS IOWA!!!!!1!!!!1
W00T!!!1!!!!!!!!1 -
ROCKIN' IT!!!!
hell... OWNIN' IT!!!!! -
Hope Howard Dean has some good advice for him.
(yes, I'm still bummed about 2004. please don't let me interrupt your happy dance.) -
I've put up with a lot, but if this country ever has a president named "Huckabee", I'm moving to Switzerland. Ya gotta draw the line somewhere.
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Any particular part of Switzerland? Most of it seems to be more conservative than most of the US, and it isn't exactly welcoming to immigrants.
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Obama's victory speech:
That man knows how to give a speech! -
doctorj wrote: Any particular part of Switzerland? Most of it seems to be more conservative than most of the US, and it isn't exactly welcoming to immigrants.
I'll go to a nice little town where they speak Romansch. I figure if I put in the effort to learn the language they won't be able to get rid of me... -
For me Huckabee = Costa Rica
Re Obama - I'm not buying my dancin' shoes until Feb 6th - as the NY Times so accurately pointed out..."...Iowa, where a huge turnout amounts to less than 10 percent of the population...Democrats are more liberal and more protectionist than the nation’s Democrats."
Obama won very big in 3 counties in Iowa - but when you look at the county by county tallies, he just squeaked by in a lot and trailed badly in a lot and in fact did poorly in almost all the rural counties.
So now it's on to New Hampshire where in a poll published today Obama trailed what's her name by 12 points. -
gail collins makes an interesting point in today's ny times:
"If Clinton wants to be Franklin (and Eleanor) Roosevelt in this campaign, and John Edwards is channeling Williams Jennings Bryan, Obama is, for all his early opposition to Iraq, the most conservative visionary in the group. Big change is hardly ever accomplished without political warfare. When the red and blue states join together and all Americans of good will march hand-in-hand to a mutually agreed upon destiny, the place they're going to end up would probably look pretty much like now with more health insurance." -
Livetotravel wrote: For me Huckabee = Costa Rica
The latest CNN poll shows Obama with a huge lead in NH!
Re Obama - I'm not buying my dancin' shoes until Feb 6th - as the NY Times so accurately pointed out..."...Iowa, where a huge turnout amounts to less than 10 percent of the population...Democrats are more liberal and more protectionist than the nation’s Democrats."
Obama won very big in 3 counties in Iowa - but when you look at the county by county tallies, he just squeaked by in a lot and trailed badly in a lot and in fact did poorly in almost all the rural counties.
So now it's on to New Hampshire where in a poll published today Obama trailed what's her name by 12 points.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/06/nh.poll/index.html -
Carnivore wrote:
"The poll, conducted by the University of New Hampshire, surveyed 341 Democrats... It had a sampling error of 5 percentage points."
The latest CNN poll shows Obama with a huge lead in NH!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/06/nh.poll/index.html -
A second poll, by the USA Today/Gallup, with a sample size of 778, and an error rate of +/-4, shows an even bigger lead for Obama.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/01/obama-up-by-13.html
In that one, even if Obama lost 4 points and Clinton gained 4 due to sampling error, he'd still have a 5 point lead. And the error could just as easily be in the other direction. -
Ok; that's more than twice as impressive. Roll on, Tuesday.
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Just saw that - a 10 point lead - beyond belief! Maybe this really is start of a national generational movement for change. I've been waiting decades for this - I don't want to hope too much
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changity change change CHANGE!
CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE.
I've been hearing that word so much now that it is starting to look and sound weird.
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