Election 2008: So is Barrack Obama finished?
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Now 74.9! Hope y'all bought some contracts on him a few weeks ago. Or... sell now, buy when the price falls in the lead-up to Texas.
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jeffrey wrote: If that's the case, I would not be surprised if that's the final break that allows him to take the lead in nationwide polls for the first time, at least until Ohio and Texas are decided.
Et voila.
We may just see these lines finally cross on Wednesday, based on tomorrow's results...
This is still basically a tie, obviously, but this is the first time that Obama's national polling and delegate counts have surpassed that of Clinton, and pundits out there are telling tales of two different momentum trends crossing paths here. But that's all just daily horse-race speculation, I guess.
What's of more importance and note here is that, as the new front-runner (for the time being, at least...) and no longer the underdog, Obama's going to be pressed a lot more heavily on the details and specifics of his plans.
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The Repugs are getting desperate already! Fox News radio is comparing Obama to Hitler:
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So with the Republicans now playing nice with each other ( Romney strongly endorsing McCain - almost to the point of asking him on a date), the Republicans are now building their base for the Presidency under ONE candidate.
He has issues, but he is officially the one for the Republicans.
Then McCain restated his "100 year" Iraq policy on Larry king Last Night: We're staying to "win". ("Win" means different things to different folks).
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/14/mccain.king/index.htmlMcCain defends '100 years in Iraq' statement
The Dems pounced on those statements.
Yes,
LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Republican presidential front-runner Sen. John McCain on Thursday defended his statement that U.S. troops could spend "maybe 100" years in Iraq -- saying he was referring to a military presence similar to what the nation already has in places like Japan, Germany and South Korea.
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This week, Democratic presidential candidates Sen. Hillary Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama both took McCain to task for the comments, saying that if he's elected he would continue what they call President Bush's failed policies in Iraq.
"It's not a matter of how long we're in Iraq, it's if we succeed or not," McCain said to CNN's Larry King.
"And both Sen. Obama and Clinton want to set a date for withdrawal -- that means chaos, that means genocide, that means undoing all the success we've achieved and al Qaeda tells the world they defeated the United States of America.
"I won't let that happen."
Last month, at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire, a crowd member asked McCain about a Bush statement that troops could stay in Iraq for 50 years.
"Maybe 100," McCain replied. "As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed, it's fine with me and I hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day."
The remaining Democratic contenders for the White House seized on the statement. Video Watch McCain talk about Mitt Romney's endorsement and his critics on the right »
"He said recently he could see having troops in Iraq for 100 years," Clinton said at an Arlington, Virginia, rally last week in a line she's repeated on the campaign trail. "Well, I want them home within 60 days of my becoming president of the United States."
With the world's feelings about Iraq, will this be enough for Hillary or Obama to win the Iraq debate (even with the economy is front page now)?
My biggest fear would be for a Democrat to win the presidency and have Iraq slip in to chaos under their new policy ( along with the economy). It would be the end for Democrats and a guaranteed 12-16 years of GOP a la Jimmy Carter and the Iran Hostage crisis/ Poor Economy/Gas Lines...
Yes, people like him now, but his presidency and those times are not remembered with great affection by those old enough to remember.
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SevenOneEighty wrote: With the world's feelings about Iraq, will this be enough for Hillary or Obama to win the Iraq debate (even with the economy is front page now)?
Well, as far as what is best for Iraq, that plan is up to considerable debate and probably fodder for a different thread.
My biggest fear would be for a Democrat to win the presidency and have Iraq slip in to chaos under their new policy ( along with the economy). It would be the end for Democrats and a guaranteed 12-16 years of GOP a la Jimmy Carter and the Iran Hostage crisis/ Poor Economy/Gas Lines...
Yes, people like him now, but his presidency and those times are not remembered with great affection by those old enough to remember.
Is Hillary the better choice in this case?
As far as election impact, I would think that the more Iraq is at the forefront, the better for Obama. Public opinion has seriously turned on the issue. Obama can nail McCain to the wall as far as Iraq is concerned. He can pretty much hang Hillary there with McCain. I would think that Hillary would have a lot more trouble hanging McCain there, given her votes one way, then the other.
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SevenOneEighty wrote: So with the Republicans now playing nice with each other ( Romney strongly endorsing McCain - almost to the point of asking him on a date), the Republicans are now building their base for the Presidency under ONE candidate.
Not exactly the case. Many sources reported an air of palpable resentment and lack of respect between Romney and McCain simmering under the surface at that very same event, especially as Romney had called McCain out onto the carpet on several issues during the campaign.
He has issues, but he is officially the one for the Republicans.
What's more, many Republicans either 1) don't like McCain or 2) are not very motivated by him.
Republicans Underwhelmed by McCain
How Does McCain’s Support Compare Historically?: His 51% is at low end of historical spectrum
If that is not rectified, Democrats may continue to have huge voter turnout, and Republicans have lackluster turnout (as has already happened in some primaries), which would be the nightmare scenario for Republicans, resulting in a landslide for Democrats.
To make matters worse, the religious right is still wondering if they want to break out and put forth an independent candidate, a move that would all but doom (doooom I say!) the main Republican candidate.
So this particular election season continues to be hard to call, at least at such an early date. -
Possible shenanigans in New Mexico?
http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/new_mexico_clinton_endorser_borrowed_ballot_boxes_full_o_votes -
lookie lookie! Nancy has grown a gorgeous pair!!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=24286Pelosi: Don't overrule the voters
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi -- who may be the most super delegate of all as chair of the Democratic national convention in Denver -- gave an interview with Bloomberg TV's Al Hunt in which she laid down the law for super delegates:
Don't veto the people's choice.
"I think there is a concern when the public speaks and there is a counter-decision made to that," she said, adding quickly, "I don't think that will happen."
She said the governors, lawmakers, DNC members and others picked as super delegates are chosen through a grassroots process and are accountable to the party's voters.
"I do think that they have a respect -- it's not just following the returns, it's also having a respect for what has been said by the people," Pelosi said. "It would be a problem for the party if the verdict would be something different than the public has decided."
That message will be music to the ears of Barack Obama, who's building a lead in pledged delegates and is urging the super delegates to follow the voters. He now leads 1,133 to 996 in pledged delegates, while Hillary Clinton has a 242-163 edge among super delegates, according to the latest tally by RealClearPolitics. Obama holds the overall edge, 1296-1238.
Pelosi had one more stunner in the interview: She said the Florida and Michigan delegates should not be seated if those delegates would decide the nomination.
"Well, I don't think that any states that operated outside the rules of the party can be dispositive of who the nominee is. That is to say they can't make the difference because then we would have no rules," she said.
Pelosi added, "But I do think that the best outcome for us is if one of the candidates pulls ahead and this issue is disposed of long before we get to the convention. We certainly don't want to ignore Florida and Michigan, but we can't ignore the rules which everyone else played by."
For a play-it-safe speaker who's pledged to stay neutral, these are sharp words. And she will be one of key referees if this fight isn't settled before Denver. -
Carnivore wrote: Possible shenanigans in New Mexico?
possible shenanigans in NYC?
http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/new_mexico_clinton_endorser_borrowed_ballot_boxes_full_o_votes
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/nyregion/16vote.html?hp -
Obama's response to McCain's and Clinton's criticism about being "just words" and speeches, no substance:
I seriously hope they try to pull this on him during a debate.
Especially McCain, with his "Campaign Against Hope."
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You beat me to it! I was about to post that video, Jeffrey!
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I think he's going to win because he plays Stevie Wonder's Signed Sealed Delivered at the end of every speech instead of Fleetwood Mac. Talk about hitting the right emotional notes...
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Carnivore wrote: You beat me to it! I was about to post that video, Jeffrey!
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pitu wrote: I think he's going to win because he plays Stevie Wonder's Signed Sealed Delivered at the end of every speech instead of Fleetwood Mac. Talk about hitting the right emotional notes...
http://www.barackoblogger.com/2008/02/real-reasons-to-vote-for-barack-obama.html -
Great article: "I Refuse to Buy into the Obama Hype"
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/20/201332/807/36/458633 -
OK, I'm going into LB-land with the triple-post, but here goes...
So much for accusations of plagiarism. -
what an insanely original idea. hilary couldn't possibly have thought of it on her own.
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Hillary disingenuous? Who would have guessed? She must be delusional if she thinks anyone is buying that little weepy valedictory-like speech.
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ugh, i don't understand irrational hilary hatred.
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mr. met wrote: ugh, i don't understand irrational hilary hatred.
I see it as an opportunistic armchair sport for the right (and lawd lawd lawd, some Obama supporters)
not unlike the alleged hating of Park Slope - acted rather than genuinely felt.
Except maybe in the case of LiveToTravel. He can speak for himself.
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YO!
DEMOCRATS AND OTHER LEFT-MINDED PEOPLE!
KEEP IT TOGETHER!
let us remember that these candidates policies and positions (you remember, those things smart voters are supposed to mostly care about) are REALLY SIMILAR.
one of them will win the nomination. one of them will not. but neither one is guaranteed to win the general election, which is the contest that counts. there is a tougher fight to follow the convention.
so please. support the candidate of your choice. love that candidate. plead for that candidate. give money and time and good vibes to that candidate.
but let's save our venom for the enemy. eyes on the prize, people.
(i'm ward leader-nominee sweet tea, and i support this message, because if we can't love each other, no one will.) -
sweet tea wrote: YO!
You might want to send that message to the Clinton campaign, which has decided that it needs to "go negative" to catch up to Obama.
DEMOCRATS AND OTHER LEFT-MINDED PEOPLE!
KEEP IT TOGETHER!
let us remember that these candidates policies and positions (you remember, those things smart voters are supposed to mostly care about) are REALLY SIMILAR.
one of them will win the nomination. one of them will not. but neither one is guaranteed to win the general election, which is the contest that counts. there is a tougher fight to follow the convention.
so please. support the candidate of your choice. love that candidate. plead for that candidate. give money and time and good vibes to that candidate.
but let's save our venom for the enemy. eyes on the prize, people.
(i'm ward leader-nominee sweet tea, and i support this message, because if we can't love each other, no one will.)
The "plagiarism" is only a story because her campaign tried to make it one when Obama borrowed one of his supporters' words. -
carnivore out for blood again
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i do agree that my "love one another RIGHT NOW!" message also applies to the clinton campaign itself.
we must be the change we wish to see in politics -- all of us, not just the politicians themselves.
it saddens me to watch essentially like-minded democrats rip into each other. it heartens me to watch the republicans do it to each other, and i bet they feel likewise. -
it's annoying to me, too, sweet tea. at this point I don't give a shit which dem gets the nod, I want the general election to go the way of the dems.
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I am an enthusiastic Obama supporter.
I am not an irrational Hillary hater.
My dislike of Sen Clinton (and Sen Schumer I might add) isn't based on irrationality. It's based on the simple belief that Sen Clinton's decision to vote to enable the Master of War Bush to bomb Iraq back to the Dark Ages is among the most immoral acts of this young century. I will never cast a vote for her because of it.
Senator Clinton is one of the reigning masters of illusion, and her hawkish views will not be camouflaged by rhetorical smoke and mirrors - she grew a big pair of cajones, got that seat on the Armed Services Committee and took the positions she did, not out of conviction and deeply felt beliefs, but as a contemptible attempt to prove that she could be Commander in Chief. -
you don't like clinton because she voted to go to war in iraq?
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i love how you think you're in the position to comment authoritatively on hilary's motives and sincerely held beliefs.
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Never let it be said that Internet bulletin boards should be used to "comment authoritatively" on anything :evil:
Of course that's just my humble opinion
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