14-year old Gunned Down

Subject: Re: 14-year old Gunned Down

LimestoneKid wrote: Where's the outrage people?

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=75369

This sort of stuff is far more important to the overall quality of the life in the neighborhood than whether a new laundromat is need at the corner of Hall Street and Myrtle.

Priorities people.

this is sad, but, what exactly do you want us to do about it?

Subject: child killed for what

The problem lies in the court system every time one of these pieces of shit get caught they have extensive records,assualt,robbery with a gun, attempted murder and they are put back on the street in 2 or3 years.
There was a law called the Sullivan law which was an automatic 5 year sentence for possesion of a gun, thanks to plea bargining and an insipid parole system these creeps are returned to the neighborhood to continue their assault on the civilized world.

I can't even fathom the grief this family is going through and my prayers are with them

Putnam, your post was fantatstic! Really, fantastic. I wish I could have written what you wrote as well and concisely as you did!

Subject: Re: 14-year old Gunned Down

queencallipygos wrote: [quote=LimestoneKid]Where's the outrage people?

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=75369

This sort of stuff is far more important to the overall quality of the life in the neighborhood than whether a new laundromat is need at the corner of Hall Street and Myrtle.

Priorities people.

But wait a minute, when someone does post in here talking a crime incident in the neighborhood, we get angry responses from people saying that the hipsters are too chicken and should move back to the burbs.

So...are we allowed to get mad about crime, or aren't we?
We should all always be upset about crime no matter how many years we've lived here (said the man with the gun in his avatar).

LimestoneKid wrote: I think it's such a shame when a 14 year old's life is so far gone and out of control that he dies in a hail of gunfire (OK that might be a bit over the top).

The point of my post was to draw attention to what I see as the hypocrisy of these message boards. Whenever there is some form of egreious violence in the housing projects it seems like no one comments at all. However, heaven forbid, a neighbor's dog bark all day or a car alarm goes off at 3:00 AM and people are up in arms.

That's all.

If you don't like the "hypocrisy of these message boards" then why don't you just stop coming to them? Problem would be solved.

BedStuyDoOrDie wrote: [quote=jackson][quote=LimestoneKid]I think it's such a shame when a 14 year old's life is so far gone and out of control that he dies in a hail of gunfire (OK that might be a bit over the top).

The point of my post was to draw attention to what I see as the hypocrisy of these message boards. Whenever there is some form of egreious violence in the housing projects it seems like no one comments at all. However, heaven forbid, a neighbor's dog bark all day or a car alarm goes off at 3:00 AM and people are up in arms.

That's all.

If you don't like the "hypocrisy of these message boards" then why don't you just stop coming to them? Problem would be solved.

If people don't like men standng outside of bodegas and kids out late at night, they should just stay away from Bed Stuy.

See how silly that argument sounds?

silly me!

Subject: Re: 14-year old Gunned Down

queencallipygos wrote: [quote=Guvna]
We should all always be upset about crime no matter how many years we've lived here (said the man with the gun in his avatar).

Shhh....I'm asking a rhetorical question.
those are the only ones I like to answer :oops:

BedStuyDoOrDie wrote: [quote=Carmen][quote=BedStuyDoOrDie][quote=jackson][quote=LimestoneKid]I think it's such a shame when a 14 year old's life is so far gone and out of control that he dies in a hail of gunfire (OK that might be a bit over the top).

The point of my post was to draw attention to what I see as the hypocrisy of these message boards. Whenever there is some form of egreious violence in the housing projects it seems like no one comments at all. However, heaven forbid, a neighbor's dog bark all day or a car alarm goes off at 3:00 AM and people are up in arms.

That's all.

If you don't like the "hypocrisy of these message boards" then why don't you just stop coming to them? Problem would be solved.

If people don't like men standng outside of bodegas and kids out late at night, they should just stay away from Bed Stuy.

See how silly that argument sounds?


im pretty sure i've heard that argument on these boards :roll: :shock:

What relevance does that have to my post?


wow. you're awfully snippy. Its just the intarwebs.

Carmen wrote: [quote=BedStuyDoOrDie][quote=Carmen][quote=BedStuyDoOrDie][quote=jackson][quote=LimestoneKid]I think it's such a shame when a 14 year old's life is so far gone and out of control that he dies in a hail of gunfire (OK that might be a bit over the top).

The point of my post was to draw attention to what I see as the hypocrisy of these message boards. Whenever there is some form of egreious violence in the housing projects it seems like no one comments at all. However, heaven forbid, a neighbor's dog bark all day or a car alarm goes off at 3:00 AM and people are up in arms.

That's all.

If you don't like the "hypocrisy of these message boards" then why don't you just stop coming to them? Problem would be solved.

If people don't like men standng outside of bodegas and kids out late at night, they should just stay away from Bed Stuy.

See how silly that argument sounds?


im pretty sure i've heard that argument on these boards :roll: :shock:

What relevance does that have to my post?


wow. you're awfully snippy. Its just the intarwebs.

What does snippy mean? Is that you use eye rolling smilies on internet message boards?

BedStuyDoOrDie wrote: When you don't complain about violent crime unless it directly affects you, then yes, you look like a whiner. What other word should we use instead? Self absorbed commentator? Idunno.

That's a bit unfair, I think.

Someone earlier (sorry, forgot the name) sort of talked around what can be the reason that there aren't a lot of posts about violence in the projects and so on...people talk about what they know and what they see.

There probably aren't that many posters who live in the projects, and those that do haven't seen fit to talk about what's going on in there. I wish they would, I'd love to know more about what's going on.

Furthermore I agree with a couple of the posters that believe that if a someone who lives outside of the projects were to post a thread about the violence found therein and suggested some solutions or just griped about why project life had to be so - then that person would likely be opening themselves up to a whole bunch of heated posts.

I think we should be a lot more open to discussing uncomfortable or difficult topics here, but a lot of them do degenerate quickly into a lot of sniping and meanness. I admit that I've become quite pissy in some of these threads.

So it's understandable that maybe a lot of posters just don't want to get into a fight that's easily avoided by just pretending that everything's rosy.

queencallipygos wrote: [quote=BedStuyDoOrDie][quote=queencallipygos][quote=LimestoneKid]The point of my post was to draw attention to what I see as the hypocrisy of these message boards. Whenever there is some form of egreious violence in the housing projects it seems like no one comments at all. However, heaven forbid, a neighbor's dog bark all day or a car alarm goes off at 3:00 AM and people are up in arms.

That's all.

I politely disagree. I've acutally seen a number of occasions when someone comments on a violent incident in the neighborhood, but those threads have broken down into some people complaining over the crime in the neighborhood and other people complaining that those complainers are too uptight.

Perhaps this is why you haven't seen as much discussion of violent crime on these boards -- people here got sick of trying to start discussions on it and ending up getting accused of being a whiny hipster gentrifier.

My point is: maybe sometimes the people who were trying to ask about gunshots, police action, etc. in the neighborhood were simply trying to start a discussion, as you were, but when they were met with a negative reaction, they decided "well, if that's the way people are going to be, I'll stick to talking about stupid stuff instead." In other words, perhaps people aren't reacting the way you expect because when we DID do that, they got the message it wasn't welcome.

THAT'S all.

I politely disagree. Most (if not all) of the posts on this site regarding violent crime are ludicrously self centered. "I heard gunshots on Downing St.!" or the like. Then, the gunshots end, and the poster acts as if the gunshots were not aimed at someone, as if they had no other effect than to disturb their quiet time.

Ya skipped a step in there. Let me fix that for you:

"'I heard gunshots on Downing St.!' or the like. Then, after getting flamed to hell and back for talking about gunshots on the boards because omg why do all the gentrifiers complain about crime all the time, the gunshots end, and the poster is so thrown by the reaction to their post that they decide never to ask about gunshots again, and decide to only talk about lighthearted stuff on the boards because that must be what everyone wants."

There, that's better.

Haha. Nice strawman you knocked down there.

Do you think anyone would be flamed for lamenting the death of a teenage boy? Do you think that if a gentrifier posted a thread titled "Innocent teenage boy gunned down this week" in memoriam, that a bunch of posters would come and sling barbs at them? Do you really? Or is that what people here tell themselves to assuage their guilt over their apathy?

Here, let's test this theory. I challenge someone here to post a thread the next time someone gets kills/shot etc. and they read or hear about it on TV or in a newspaper. If you get angry responses for wanting to mourn the death of a fellow human being, then fine, I'm wrong. I highly doubt that though.

I call nonsense on this argument anyway. Every week or so, there is a post about gunshots, or some complaint about a vagrant giving the OP stares on the corner. Then they get "flamed to hell and back," as you so eloquently put it. Not ONCE on this board have I witnessed a thread commenting on the death or injury of anyone in the neighborhood caused by gunfire.

Why are there unwary posters every few weeks complaining about gunshots, but not actual deaths? The most obvious answer is that they don't know/don't care. Which is fine- you don't have to know, or care. But don't pretend that you do.

BedStuyDoOrDie wrote: Here, let's test this theory. I challenge someone here to post a thread the next time someone gets kills/shot etc. and they read or hear about it on TV or in a newspaper. If you get angry responses for wanting to mourn the death of a fellow human being, then fine, I'm wrong. I highly doubt that though.

Well, we'll watch Carmen's recent post and see what happens.

I call nonsense on this argument anyway. Every week or so, there is a post about gunshots, or some complaint about a vagrant giving the OP stares on the corner. Then they get "flamed to hell and back," as you so eloquently put it. Not ONCE on this board have I witnessed a thread commenting on the death or injury of anyone in the neighborhood caused by gunfire.

Why are there unwary posters every few weeks complaining about gunshots, but not actual deaths? The most obvious answer is that they don't know/don't care. Which is fine- you don't have to know, or care. But don't pretend that you do.

Except -- every person posting about gunshots is asking about what the cause of the gunshots IS. So, no, they don't know, but they clearly care enough to WANT to know, otherwise why would they ask?