Mormons get PWNED

Entertaining.

But I found that guy to be annoying too.

Granted the Mormons try to "prey" on unsuspecting and seemingly "ignorant" people, but this guys was doing the same thing he accused them of and was very arrogant ,pompous and unnecessarily rude. He was talking over them and not letting them participate in the conversation and was not interested in dialogue himself and just wanted to show everyone how cool he was on camera - which in itself was very un-"Christ"-like.
When he didn't even shake hands at the end it was too bad. In a real debate he would get his ass kicked but these young guys were more intimidated than out-witted, per se. I would love to see a rematch with a Mormon that had more knowledge and was allowed to speak (not becuase I agree with Mormons, but because it would have been a better discussion, at least)

It reminds me of Mike Eric Dyson: Talk real fast, talk over your opponent, obsess on small things = you win the argument/debate.

We have lost the ability to debate in this society. I blame the public school system, MTV and the Bush Administration.

But it was fun to watch, I must admit.
It just made me realize why I gave up on organized religion a long time ago: People take out of it what they want for their own narcissistic purposes way too often and you get nowhere.

I don't see it improving any time soon either.
Hey Fox news only has 2m viewers, the other networks have 30m or so...
Let's not give them so much credit. I haven't seen a good debate on MSKGB.. I mean MSNBC in a while...dont' step out of line...

We don't really value knowledge in our culture. We seem to only value the perception of being cool or "punking" someone - on camera or web is preferred. I work with pre-teen kids in some programs, and I see it a lot - it's only going to get worse unless we bring 'facts' back to the table as valuable assets in a discussion.

Religious discussion are tough because the person operates from their impenetrable belief that they are correct already and everyone else is wrong. The tragedy of that "debate" and other religious debates like it is that neither side takes ANYTHING from the other and nothing is ever gained.

Both sides still leave thinking (believing) they are correct on the issues and that the other person is "lost". A logical person would conclude that they are both full of Sh*t and simply products of the counties of their birth: The Mormons out west in Utah and the "Bible" guys (wherever they are from). He had passion, but little emotional intelligence. So he "pwned" them, but didn't necessarily win the religious debate, IMO.

And that comes from education. Somehow, we've come to think that a debate is something to "win", where for both me and my friend, a debate is a way to explore different points of view. My friend Leslie only goes into "win" mode when he's dealing with someone with a closed mind.

Leslie and I talk about religion all the time, he being Christian and me being Jewish, and the conversation has always been enlightening on both ends.

Maybe I don't have the killer instinct. People have actually succeeded in changing my mind in the course of a debate, but I think the prerequisite is the willingness to have their mind changed.

And when people have that attitude, everyone wins.