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  • What matters here is how you feel. If the area makes you feel uncomfortble, then consider leaving, even if it means breaking your lease. There are other areas of Brooklyn that are affordable, yet much safer. They may be farther from Manhattan, but peace of mind is a fair price to pay.
  • By the way, you have my sympathy. I experienced the same thing in that general area many years ago - sounds like not much has changed, especially given all of the posts on this board about shootings.
  • I'm sorry to hear this. I'm also shocked by the advice the police gave you. I have to agree with the previous poster, if they're are willing to give such awful advice then they should back it up by more of a presence. Unfortunately, a lot of these crimes are being committed by young people and I believe it's pretty random. If they were just on a mission they just picked the first person who came along. I hope it wasn't because of the color of your skin. don't give up so easily.
  • i too am very sorry that you had this experience
    and am much saddened by the police reaction

    i believe this needs to be confronted, if this is the perception of our precinct then we are truly between a rock and a hard place as far as co-operation from them is concerned

    i lived in a neighborhood for many years that transitioned from a factory/warehouse district to a residential one.
    it took constant pressure from the (growing) community to get our precinct to realize that there REALLY were (concerned) people living there and that the precinct's response needed to reflect the changing environment

    And part of the burden of that change is on us; i believe this can be accomplished but it takes effort on our part as well and i think it starts with attending these tiresome meetings that sometimes don't even happen
    http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5368&sid=3d8150dff2a1fba5931edff30e613528

    i received a notice that the Community Board 8 police committe meeting WILL take place:
    Thursday (10/5) at 7 pm
    77th Pct - 127 Utica Avenue (at Bergen)
    I have a call in to Jesse Hamilton the chair of the committee

    i also just checked with Det. Raton
    the 77th Community Council meeting will be held
    Monday (10/9) at 7:30
    Sacred Heart Church - 938 Bergen Street (corner of Franklin)

    I intend to go to both
  • Subject: sorry to hear

    I am so sorry to hear that you were attacked and shocked at the police response. Did you get their names? Regardless, as others have said, you have to decide how you feel and make your own decision about staying.
  • I can only add my sympathy, so sorry, 11 p.m. is NOT late. And also to confer with the general comments re the cops: how unhelpful is that? If Franklin is a problem, more needs to be done there... obviously
  • Masha99 wrote: I can only add my sympathy, so sorry, 11 p.m. is NOT late. And also to confer with the general comments re the cops: how unhelpful is that? If Franklin is a problem, more needs to be done there... obviously
    The sad part is that sometimes the cops act like they are afraid to walk down Franklin Ave. I'm sorry to hear what happened to you and I do hope that the cops (as unhelpful as they seem) can actually catch the guys that did this to you.
  • This definitely needs to be dealt with by the precinct. It's just so typical: like white folks are making their jobs difficult by living where they chose to live. Tough! Sometimes you have to actually earn your living!!
  • From an earlier note from Neene, perhaps we need to just be in touch in order to combat this kind of attitude, which sounds like: if you don't WANT to be mugged, well then, MOVE.

    Neene wrote:

    Be in constant contact with our precinct:
    Detectives Raton or McClean
    718-735-0634
    yes the number is always busy, you HAVE to keep trying
    Det. McClean gets in at 7, try 7:30-8:30
    she leaves around 3, Det Raton is on until 7.

    a meeting with our council member: Letitia James
    perhaps we can all start now by emailing her our concerns (or use the link from her council page) and once we get together, try to organize a meeting with her and the community
  • The email address for Tish James is:

    [email protected]
  • thanks masha
    would anyone like to take on organizing a meeting with Ms. James?
    if so, pm me and I will send you a contact email list

    here is a link to a letter writing campaign that i hope you all will participate in:
    http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=59887#59887
  • that's wack. police are such slimy bigots. tons of white people live around here -- it's like the pigs are trapped in some reagan-era time warp where crack ravages the streets and ethnic strife threatens to tear the city apart.

    the police view this neighborhood as a place dangerous for whites (themselves obviously included) and yet people on this board can't understand why young minorities aren't eager to cooperate with the swine.
  • i doubt anyone who posts here doesn't understand the dynamic between the police and kids in urban environments

    and every group has its codes of silence whether it's a community, the mafia or the police themselves

    the question is how do we address these issues as a community, as effecting all of us and in a productive way?

    i'm sorry, but just ranting about injustice doesn't change it

    i'm really curious to see how many people who are so passionate here, show up to make their voices heard outside the comfort of the virtual world
    (http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=59733&highlight=#59733)

    yes, that's a challenge
  • Subject: White

    Hey there DB I have been living on Park place and Nostrand for about four years now and it is NOT safe to be here and be white. (That comment does not make me racist, directed at you, young snitch) I have been attacked twice since i moved and both times they were crimes committed by young black teens on me a young white teen. During the attacks they said "white boy get outta here!" Now I know im not crazy but when ppl say things like that to u while they are beating u up, it is clearly a hate crime. When you walk down a street in this area u most certainly will notice people looking at you with a glare of hate. And to Young Snitch, I think that you need to chill with the calling ppl racist for inquiring about the safety of an area where the person would be a minority, because in any area the people who are a minority will without a doubt will be looked down upon. In general the ppl are nice here, but there are more than enough ppl that live here that would make it unsafe for anyone white.
  • i didn't question if DB might be a racist because he inquired about his safety as a caucasian in a predominately black area -- i felt his concern about a couple kids smoking weed on the street was based in prejudice (i doubted he would have had the same misgivings if they were of his own ethnicity).

    no one deserves to get yapped on for being a different color.
  • he never said that the kids smoking weed were black, he jsut said they were somking
  • Masha99 wrote: a meeting with our council member: Letitia James
    perhaps we can all start now by emailing her our concerns (or use the link from her council page) and once we get together, try to organize a meeting with her and the community
    What can our council member really do. All she does is make a lot of noise and leave. You are better off getting in touch with the law enforcement offices for a meeting. She is mostly concerned with Ratner not crime. She is all talk.
  • c'mon, you're making me rehash shit here that i've said elsewhere in this thread. when DB made an immediate following reference to his own race as being white, it was a fairly clear implication that the kids in question weren't. earlier in this post, i stated that i would cast myself upon the rocks of apology if i inferred erroneously, but i haven't been corrected yet.
  • No, I was not making any implications as to those people's race. I was simply suggesting that if some illegal activites were at play, it might be indicative of more. I wrote four sentences, the last being a non sequiter introduced with "Also." I don't enjoy suggestions of racism, but you can skip casting youself on any rocks.
  • just FYI, guys, this is what I heard from Letitia James in response to an e-mail. She e-mailed back on the same day.:



    As you may know, I have consistently asked the Police Commissioner to redesignate Franklin Avenue as an impact zone. He recently cited to me the reduction in crime stats for the precinct, but, I am not convinced. I will continue to lobby for the restoration of that program.

    I also urge you to attend the 77th pct council meetings that are held every month. The community and I often raise "hot spots " in the precinct to the Commanding Officer and he regularly responds with an action plan.

    I will advise you if the Commissioner honors my request, and in the mean time, I hope to meet you at the next precinct council meeting.

    Thank you for writing.

    Letitia James
  • DB, I'm sorry about what happened to you. I actually came home from the Franklin Ave train stop maybe a half hour after you were assaulted, and I live right around the corner from you on Franklin.

    Your assault reminds me of an experience an acquaintance told me about -- she was jumped by 5 or 6 young guys upon leaving the Franklin Ave stop, and she was robbed and beat up. Apparently though, she exited from a more secluded exit, and admonished me to leave the stop from the Franklin Ave exit. Didn't matter in your case though. I don't know if her mugging was racially influenced, ie, did they jump her b/c she is white? Would they have jumped a black woman walking alone? I wonder if it's the same group of young guys, and if so, why are they still running rampant -- she was assaulted/robbed more than 4 months ago.

    I also have a friend who was mugged at knifepoint in Park Slope, and she wasn't alone. Different story, different area. They caught this guy, but not until he had robbed more than a dozen people. So even the gentrified areas are not safe.

    I am really disappointed with how the police treated you. VICTIM BLAMING to the max, though not the classic example of "she was raped b/c she was dressed sexy." You were robbed b/c of where you chose to live? -- hah! what BS! You were robbed b/c some young people took advantage of you, in part b/c no one is policing an area that obviously needs attention. What happed to the motto, "to serve and protect?" I guess you only get protected if you live in segregation -- both racial and finanicial segregation. Sounds bitter.

    These things, and other postings make me wonder if its only a matter of time before my luck runs out. I will most certainly attend the community/police board meetings that I can, starting with tonight. I at least want to do something with my own bitterness... EVERYONE COME OUT, lets blow them away!
  • MeggieC wrote: DB, I'm sorry about what happened to you. I actually came home from the Franklin Ave train stop maybe a half hour after you were assaulted, and I live right around the corner from you on Franklin.

    Your assault reminds me of an experience an acquaintance told me about -- she was jumped by 5 or 6 young guys upon leaving the Franklin Ave stop, and she was robbed and beat up. Apparently though, she exited from a more secluded exit, and admonished me to leave the stop from the Franklin Ave exit. Didn't matter in your case though. I don't know if her mugging was racially influenced, ie, did they jump her b/c she is white? Would they have jumped a black woman walking alone? I wonder if it's the same group of young guys, and if so, why are they still running rampant -- she was assaulted/robbed more than 4 months ago.

    I also have a friend who was mugged at knifepoint in Park Slope, and she wasn't alone. Different story, different area. They caught this guy, but not until he had robbed more than a dozen people. So even the gentrified areas are not safe.

    I am really disappointed with how the police treated you. VICTIM BLAMING to the max, though not the classic example of "she was raped b/c she was dressed sexy." You were robbed b/c of where you chose to live? -- hah! what BS! You were robbed b/c some young people took advantage of you, in part b/c no one is policing an area that obviously needs attention. What happed to the motto, "to serve and protect?" I guess you only get protected if you live in segregation -- both racial and finanicial segregation. Sounds bitter.

    These things, and other postings make me wonder if its only a matter of time before my luck runs out. I will most certainly attend the community/police board meetings that I can, starting with tonight. I at least want to do something with my own bitterness... EVERYONE COME OUT, lets blow them away!
    Meggie, you are right about the muggings being unbiased. Unfortunately, a huge stretch of Franklin (both Crown Heights and Bed Stuy sides) seems to be a breeding ground for muggings and other crimes. I know someone who lives by the Franklin Stop in BS and they got mugged (he was a Black male). The police just need to step their game up and do something about this!
  • Why don't all of you critics of the Police Department take the test and become a cop yourselves. They are over worked, under paid and short staffed you ass wholes. It is very hard to step your game up when you are working 20hr days.
  • People blame the cops because it deflects the conversation away from the race/class issues that always seem to come up when crime is discussed on this forum, and which seem to always lead to a conversational impasse.

    It's easier to blame the police than to try to change or even acknowledge the chronic antisocial behavior of a small percentage of the residents/visitors in the 'nabe.

    It's true that since September 11th 2001, we've got something like 4,000 fewer people in the NYPD. People were lost, and others took early retirement after that time (when lots of NYPD had extreme overtime hours, and incredible stress). Now there are ads all over the place for recruitment - but it must be difficult to get people to sign up: not very high pay at a time when housing costs are incredibly high in the city, the standard city crime prevention *plus* the added challenges of dealing with security issues related to preventing terrorism.
  • Pioneers will continue to move into Crown Heights for many reasons.However, there is a price to pay for your considerabley less rent then other blossoming communities in Brooklyn. People get robbed every day Crown Heights and with over 20 people shot in the 77 pct alone in the last month, i just cant imagine where all the police are. Could they be out there solving Homicides or trying to foil Robberies? It would be great to flood the community with cops on every corner, but unfortunately with the police dept facing record low staffing and a starting salary of $25,100 its amazing that there are any cops left at all. With cops making a mass exodus to other depts and retiring in drones, one might think thats where the outrage might be directed. So the next time you're strolling down lovely Franklin ave, weaving in and out of the drug dealers and gang members, you can thank your mayor for safest largest city in the world. Dont worry those gunshots you're hearing at night are just Celebratory gunfire. Booyakashot
  • King without a crown wrote: Pioneers will continue to move into Crown Heights for many reasons.However, there is a price to pay for your considerabley less rent then other blossoming communities in Brooklyn. People get robbed every day Crown Heights and with over 20 people shot in the 77 pct alone in the last month, i just cant imagine where all the police are. Could they be out there solving Homicides or trying to foil Robberies? It would be great to flood the community with cops on every corner, but unfortunately with the police dept facing record low staffing and a starting salary of $25,100 its amazing that there are any cops left at all. With cops making a mass exodus to other depts and retiring in drones, one might think thats where the outrage might be directed. So the next time you're strolling down lovely Franklin ave, weaving in and out of the drug dealers and gang members, you can thank your mayor for safest largest city in the world. Dont worry those gunshots you're hearing at night are just Celebratory gunfire. Booyakashot
    I do understand what you mean by being overworked and underpaid. I think most folks in the city understand that. No one is saying that being a cop is an easy job. Personally I don't envy them or their families at all. Each and every day, cops, fightfighters, paramedics, etc are faced with danger. But I also think that if you decide to go into these fields you should know what you are getting into and remember what the job entails. For example, we have a cop who patrols are neighborhood that everyone loves. He makes his presence known. The neighborhood feels safe. And he has intervened in situations in the past that could of become crazy. I know he isn't getting paid a hell of a lot of money. But he cares about his job and the community he serves. All I'm asking (and assuming others here are asking as well) is for other cops to do the same. I have been on Franklin Ave and watched things go down right in front of the cops who decide to walk the other way. That's not cool.
  • King without a crown wrote: It would be great to flood the community with cops on every corner,
    Sounds like a good time, maybe a lil' martial law too...Police states are cool.
  • young snitch wrote: the overwhelming majority of posts on the crown heights board are from new residents nervous about gunshots, assaults and crime. i could care less who's a gentrifier or who's a yuppie -- so stop taking criticism towards the board's zeitgeist of fear and general lameness as an indictment of an entire demographic. the segment of the ven diagram where gentrifier/yuppies and shook ones overlap just seems to include a lot of the people who make these posts.

    Well said. I feel the exact same way. You might've just represented the entire black community with that statement
  • neene wrote: thanks masha
    would anyone like to take on organizing a meeting with Ms. James?
    if so, pm me and I will send you a contact email list

    here is a link to a letter writing campaign that i hope you all will participate in:

    Man, do I miss James Davis. He is someone who has BEEN out on the street at night confronting the problems instead of just having "meetings" about it.
  • and here's who you want swarming a largely black neighborhood:
    RACIAL PROFILE UPROAR

    By LARRY CELONA and KATE SHEEHY

    October 9, 2006 -- An NYPD Transit captain in Brooklyn ordered his officers to stop all black male teens at a Park Slope subway station in response to robberies there, sources said yesterday.

    Capt. Michael Vanchieri, head of Transit District 30, first issued the potentially explosive edict at a meeting with his sergeants and lieutenants last week, the sources said. He then allegedly repeated it to officers during Friday's roll call.

    The order was in response to robberies at the Seventh Avenue F-line station in the tony neighborhood, sources said.

    The cops were told to question the teens and fill out "250s" - forms that the department uses to track down suspects and link them to crimes, sources said.

    The move by Vanchieri, who is white, immediately drew ire from some officers, the sources and union officials said.

    "Ordering police officers to stop every black male teenager is against the department's racial-profiling prohibition and creates more trouble for the officers than it will solve," said Patrick Lynch, head of the Pa trolmen's Benevolent Asso ciation.

    Civil-rights lawyer Nor man Siegel said the move dangerously creates a "black teen database."

    "Even assuming there's an increase in robberies in that neighborhood, race and being a teenager are not sufficient to stop people and profile them," he said.

    Vanchieri could not be reached for comment.

    But NYPD Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne said in a statement, "The allegation is false."

    "The captain appropriately provided the roll call with details of pattern robberies. These included descriptions of suspects responsible for three robberies over the last two weeks, with instructions to question individuals matching the description on the portion of the subway line where the robberies occurred," he said.

    John Driscoll, president of the Captains' Endowment Association, said, "I don't know if [Vanchieri] said it or didn't say it.

    "But I will say, any comment made by Pat Lynch or the PBA is usually self-serving," Driscoll said. "Normally, the PBA takes stances against anybody in the captain's rank or above."

    Still, Eric Adams, head of 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement Who Care, said that "250" forms have been "abusively used in targeting African American young men" in the past.

    "We're going to go to the Seventh Avenue station and do observations," he said.

    "If this is happening, it is alarming."
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