musical instruments
Ever since I sold my soprano sax 6 years ago a part of my life has been missing and I want to start playing again. So what I'm asking is if there are any places to get one here and if anyone can suggest a good brand. There are the selmers and the yamahas in the $2000+ range, kinda pricey. I guess I'm looking for something for an intermediate skill level. Something for a grand or less would be nice. There are too many crappy brands out there and its nearly impossible to tell whats good until you play it. Any suggestions?
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Sam Ash in the city at 48th & 7th. You'll find everything from the starter instruments to the top of the line. They also have tons of music and accessories. They also have a Brooklyn store, (I think its near Kings Plaza) not as large or comprehensive but it still has a good selection.
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I don't know anything about these instruments, but once you do decide on what you want, you should check some pawn shops and also craiglist and ebay to see if you can get better deal.
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Go to Roberto's Winds on 46th Street. Roberto works on the horns of NYC's best saxophonists and has lots of horns for sale.
www.robertoswinds.com -
an excellent source of good inexpensive horns is: www.kesslermusic.com
Their house brand saxophones are made in Asia (Vietnam, I think) but are a great choice for someone starting out or getting back in.
Check this bulletin board for lots of advise: http://www.saxontheweb.net/vbulletin/ -
I checked out the Kessler site. Fox oboes for nearly $3000?
HOLY CRAP!!
And those aren't very good. -
Well, I think part of the difficulty from some of these suggestions is that Chance wants to know what he's getting before he gets it, and that's just generally not an option for buying online.. A few more regular stores, like the one mentioned on 46th, I'd imagine would be quite helpful for his situation.
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pyros44 wrote: Well, I think part of the difficulty from some of these suggestions is that Chance wants to know what he's getting before he gets it, and that's just generally not an option for buying online.. A few more regular stores, like the one mentioned on 46th, I'd imagine would be quite helpful for his situation.
But you can always go to a store to figure out what you want and then comparison shop online (or check the local pawn shops) to find the best price. -
lilbangladesh wrote: I checked out the Kessler site. Fox oboes for nearly $3000?
That's the basic price of a Fox 330 oboe - certainly a good price for a student level instrument. Oboes are expensive.
HOLY CRAP!!
And those aren't very good.
But check the good prices for Kessler saxophones. They're fine for starting back in before deciding to trade up for a Selmer at $4000 + (not to mention the astronomical cost of a vintage Mark VI).
Dave Kessler is very helpful on the phone and they have a return policy too.
If you just want to try horns out (not a bad idea) go to Rayburns on West 62nd street or Roberto's on 46th Street. -
Well, yeah, I guess it proves how old I am because when I was a student, that was how much a PROFESSIONAL Loree cost!
Buying instruments online doesn't really work if you're serious about your instrument because no two instruments are quite alike, especially if they're made of wood. Even among Lorees, (or my preference, Howarths) there are differences between instruments. And what makes the whole thing even trickier is that you don't truly know what it's going to sound like until it's been broken in, so if I were instrument shopping for a wood instrument, my preference would be to shop for something slightly used. (But not too used, as the average lifespan for a heavily used wooden oboe is about seven years, but ymmv, because I had a Lauben that took fifty years for the bore to finally blow out.) That is, if you're looking for professional quality. For a student quality instrument, a professional instrument where the bore is blown out should be fine. It will still play; it just won't have the sound quality that you expect and need out of a professional instrument. -
Ah Yes, woodwind instrument blow out - a very interesting topic.
My take: it's a fantasy. There's no real evidence that it exists, that the molecular structure of the inner bore of the instrument is so altered over time, or whatever. But I'm a clarinetist. Maybe it's a reality for oboists. But I would tend to believe in oboist blow out, as opposed to oboe blow out.
Again, I'm just a clarinetist.
I do agree that it's best to try out instruments in a shop, but it's getting harder and harder to do that. Some things, like inexpensive saxophones, can be done well on-line (or by telephone), especially from a reputable dealer. -
I miss my oboe. But not much. 8 years of weekly lessons, and I still sucked. Living in an apartment, I wouldn't wish that on my neighbors. And a very expensive habit if you're serious, plus learning how to craft reeds, fine tune keys, etc.
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I played professionally. But I do NOT miss making reeds. I think I couldn't even get sufficiently neurotic about them. And I HATED getting together with other oboists for the most part because ALL they talked about was reeds! Even bassoonists knew when to give it a rest.
The bore blows out not because of "molecular structure". Geesh! Every time you breathe warm air into a wood instrument (and probably it's less evident in a clarinet because there is a wider bore to work with; an oboe has such a narrow bore that any change in it causes a noticeable difference) it causes the wood to expand, and then it will eventually contract once you stop playing it. (And this is assuming that you keep your instrument from sudden temperature changes which would cause it to crack.) After years of expansion and contraction, the wood will eventually stop contracting altogether, leaving a wider bore and diminished sound quality. I HAVE blown out the bores of several oboes, so I know what I'm talking about. The Lauben I have is still playable, but does not have the sound quality I would need if I were playing professionally. It is now a high-quality student instrument. I would never EVER use it professionally.
OTOH (as I plug for my favorite brand), I have a student Howarth English Horn that I have used professionally. The quality is so high that the only difference I could tell between the student and professional instruments is gold keys and $2K. -
Hey, Lilbangladesh,
do you still play oboe/have your oboe chops? would you be interested in performing in a local opera orchestra (non-paid)?
if you're interested, send me a PM (I suppose I could have PM'd you), or check out: www.bropera.org or www.hellgateharmonie.com
we're performing Cavalleria Rusticana in March and La Clemenza di Tito in June at the Brooklyn Lyceum -
Actually, I'm an operatically trained lyric mezzo and professional actor now. Do you need a mezzo lead or supporting singer? I's good!!

Now if I can only get the *(*^%^ movers to show up and move my piano into my apartment!! -
the opera can always use good singers (and especially actors).
here's the contact email if you'd like to join in: [email protected] -
THANKS!!!
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