ONE SIMPLE WAY TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY
In response to the public safety issues facing Crown Heights, the Crown Heights Coalition has initiated a letter writing campaign directed towards addressing both the lack of resources facing the 77th Precinct and the relationship of the precinct to the community.
It is our goal to present these letters to Commissioner Kelly at his forum on 12/13 at Downstate and to copy the letters to our elected officials.
We need your help in making this campaign a success and we want everyone to feel comfortable participating. There are 3 versions of the letter on our site, we hope one of them represents your feelings. Please feel free to alter them if they don't or if you have anything to add, the more personal they are, the better.
Please make copies and get your neighbors to participate, if everyone who is concerned got 5 letters signed it would make a huge difference to the success of our campaign.
Since we wish to create as big an impact as possible and show the Commissioner that we are a united and vocal community, we would like all letters returned to us so that we can distribute and cc them as a group.
Please visit our website: http://chcoalition.googlepages.com/crownheightswrites to participate, learn more about CHC and for information on Commissioner Kelly's forum.
Thanks,
Crown Heights Coalition
It is our goal to present these letters to Commissioner Kelly at his forum on 12/13 at Downstate and to copy the letters to our elected officials.
We need your help in making this campaign a success and we want everyone to feel comfortable participating. There are 3 versions of the letter on our site, we hope one of them represents your feelings. Please feel free to alter them if they don't or if you have anything to add, the more personal they are, the better.
Please make copies and get your neighbors to participate, if everyone who is concerned got 5 letters signed it would make a huge difference to the success of our campaign.
Since we wish to create as big an impact as possible and show the Commissioner that we are a united and vocal community, we would like all letters returned to us so that we can distribute and cc them as a group.
Please visit our website: http://chcoalition.googlepages.com/crownheightswrites to participate, learn more about CHC and for information on Commissioner Kelly's forum.
Thanks,
Crown Heights Coalition
Comments
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Cops and Stagehands (from the RANT)
Well I believe that the City of New York, it's citizens and the local media have made it crystal clear where their priorities and allegiances lay.
The New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association is well into it's fourth year without a contract and all indications are that it will be easily five years behind by the time their deal is issued.
The thin blue line seperating New York civilization from a total anarchy as had taken hold a scant twenty years ago, is paid a paltry $25,000. After 20 years of blood, sweat and tears, they can hope to earn and even paltrier $59,000 if they survive and the fact that they remain ignored and uncompensated has received a virtual media blackout. A grossly uninformed and apathetic public remains uninformed and apathetic and Mayor Bloomberg has given the matter no further consideration than he would, say, the gas mileage his Lear Jet gets while dropping him off at his mansion in Bermuda every Friday.
But lo' and behold, the union responsible for Mary Poppins umberella is a nanosecond past the expiration of their contract and the Mayor, the public and the media respond as if Pearl Harbor were attacked again.
For any aspiring Police Officers that read this page, take my advice. You will make a far better and more rewarding career and living out of producing a critically acclaimed Broadway Production, than insuring that the audience gets to the theater without being slaughtered.
Merry Christmas. -
For what it's worth, I personally wasn't the least bit freaked out by the stagehands' strike, and nobody I know was acting as if this were Pearl Harbor II.

I don't think it's entirely accurate to compare the stagehands' strike and the police officers' situation this directly. Strikes are a very effective attention-grabbing tactic as well as a way to force the other side's hand that cops just aren't able to use. The city would rapidly descend into chaos if the NYPD went on strike. If only more people would really think about it in those terms maybe the public would be more engaged about this!
The police officers need to figure out how to better get the word out about their contract situation. How exactly to do that when they're unable to strike is a tough question -- I'm certainly stumped -- but that's going to be key if they really want to sway public opinion on this and motivate people to support them. It would be great if a good p.r. firm would offer to work pro bono for them or something.
In the meantime, what can people here be doing to help? Letters to Kelly, what? I sure as hell would like to see better salaries for cops. -
"The thin blue line seperating New York civilization from a total anarchy as had taken hold a scant twenty years ago, is paid a paltry $25,000. After 20 years of blood, sweat and tears, they can hope to earn and even paltrier $59,000 if they survive and the fact that they remain ignored and uncompensated has received a virtual media blackout."
Are you serious? First of all YOUR union negotiated that contract. You need to start pointing the finger at your representatives. No one FORCED your union to sign off on that deal.
Secondly, we've heard time and time again how NYC cops are underpaid in comparison with their suburban counterparts, and with professionals in other industries. Blah, blah blah. Exactly what "media blackout" are you referring to? Hell, YOU mention the pay issue time and time again, King. Quit your whining! -
Check out the link to the Crown Heights Writes site. There are three letter options, and each of them go into some detail about supporting better salaries for the police. You don't even have to write the letter, just sign it and mail it to the Crown Heights Coalition. They even offer on their site to pick them up. The idea is to flood the desks of Kelly, Bloomberg, and other state and local officials.
The logic behind underpaying any employee that is so indispensable that they aren't allowed, by law, to strike, is almost feudal, right? I would imagine that one takes a job that has such strictures with a sort of good faith in their hearts that their work will be honored and they won't be taken advantage of by the great Municipal powers that be. Even the retiring pay is way too little for this city.
My neighbor and I met an officer who was patrolling the 79 and the 81 as a part of the CPOP initiative this summer. He and his partner were assigned wherever they were needed. He informed us that the only beat cop programs left are in the 73 and the 75 in East New York and BRownsville. And guess what, this sharp, amiable, smart young man had just been recruited by the LAPD at a starting salary of between 40 and 50K a year. I don't remember the figure, but it was well above the 25 he was being paid to walk our neighborhoods.
This city is hemorrhaging police and seriously disgruntling the officers who remain committed to their jobs and this city.
People, sign the letter. More guys and gals on foot here would make a huge impact. It's all written for you. You can even add to it. All you have to do is drop it in the mailbox.
Is there anyone out there with press contacts and/or PR experience who could take up the cause? I think an article comparing the response to the stagehand strike and say, the MTA strike, or a potential NYPD strike is a great idea.
If you've been on this board complaining about crime in the area and/or police response (as I have),the least you can do is sign a letter asking for more and better policing and the support the police need to do their jobs.
This is a huge precinct and it needs our support. -
Anonymous wrote:
You could not be more incorrect. The contract that is currently in effect (although expired) was a result of binding arbitration. After the city failed to bargain in good faith the PBA filled an impass with the Public Employment Relations Board. PERB agreed that the PBA and the city were unable to reach an agreement and thus a PERB hearing commenced. The results of the PERB decision are final and binding.
Are you serious? First of all YOUR union negotiated that contract. You need to start pointing the finger at your representatives. No one FORCED your union to sign off on that deal.
There is no bargaining or negotiating at PERB hearings. Both sides are given the opportunity to present it's case through expert testimony and other evidence supporting their side. At the completion of the hearings the PERB board determines the conditions of the new contract. Whether or not the parties are happy with the terms this is a binding decision. No contract arbitrate by PERB can exceed two years. -
Thanks for the clarification, ParadeRest.
Just furthers my point that the system as it now operates is untenable at best and, really, feudal. Maybe with some community involvement we can prevent it from becoming futile. -
But to be fair, the PBA was not covered by PERB until they convinced Governor Pataki that if they could be covered under State law rather than NYC law they would be treated the same as their suburban counterparts. Prior to that they were subject to NYC Collective Bargaining Law which required them to go to the City's Office of Collective Bargaining (OCB) to resolve disputes.
PERB was held out as the holy grail that awarded large contracts in Nassau and Suffolk and the PBA thought they would receive the same treatment. Now that they haven't the PERB process is suddenly unfair. In my mind its more of a case of be careful what you wish for. -
"After the city failed to bargain in good faith the PBA filled an impass with the Public Employment Relations Board. PERB agreed that the PBA and the city were unable to reach an agreement and thus a PERB hearing commenced. The results of the PERB decision are final and binding."
Yes, meaning YOUR leaders failed. You can blame the city, but your negotiators agreed to arbitration AFTER they couldn't broker a deal, plain and simple. Now you're singing the blues about the result. We NEED the police, no question. And they ARE woefully underpaid, considering the difficulty of the job. But to say no one in NYC cares or that hey are "virtually ignored" is a little much. -
OCB was far less favorable to the unions than PERB. OCB marched to the tune of the Mayor and no labor organization had a fair shot in front of OCB. Even after the last round of arbitration at PERB I still feel that it's better than OCB.
Guest, nobody failed. There are times in history when two entities can not see eye to eye. If humans could always agree on every issue, we wouldn't have civil or family courts. Neighbors wouldn't need to call the police because of noise issues, fences that are too high or being "disrespected." Contract disputes are often settled in arbitration and both sides walk out feeling like they lost something. That's life. -
When both sides walk out feeling like they lost, the decision is generally a fair one.
Just saying... -
Okay, and just saying, couldn't we get some letters signed? Couldn't we manage to back up the force we call on time and time again to support us? With something so easy as signing a letter? Complain all you you want, but please, visit the link, sign the letter, any letter available there, and send it to the Crown Heights Coalition and make your voice heard as part of something beyond your own sniping keyboard.
Quibbling about what the officers make and who bargained for what isn't doing us a whole lot of good. Supporting them might make the difference. After all, it is our tax dollars that pay their salaries and Kelly's the mayor's. I would like to know that my tax dollars are going directly to my precinct. I see no other way to demand this than by flooding their desks with letters. Nothing else seems to have worked thus far. If we can manage to form a vocal and aligned community, we might stand a chance of having better police patrol and presence. -
"Guest, nobody failed. There are times in history when two entities can not see eye to eye. If humans could always agree on every issue, we wouldn't have civil or family courts. Neighbors wouldn't need to call the police because of noise issues, fences that are too high or being "disrespected." Contract disputes are often settled in arbitration and both sides walk out feeling like they lost something. That's life."
I repeat: YOUR leaders FAILED. Arbitration isn't the final resort in EVERY situation. Sometimes, creative leaders emerge to bridge differences and reach a deal that works for everyone, or most everyone. Neighbors don't ALWAYS call the cops when facing noise issues, fences that are too high or being "disrespected," ParadeRest. More often than not, wiser heads prevail and people figure a way to work things out. Clearly, that didn't happen for you guys. Why? I think there's a sense of entitlement in play here that's revealed in your attitude. Blaming others for you own leaders' failure to devise some way to ensure cops are paid appropriately isn't something you can pin on the public. Accept some responsibility and stop blaming your situation on everyone else.
Oh, and I WILL sign and mail the letter. So you can relax now, Lucille. -
I don't remember blaming anybody. I seem to recall saying that sometimes it's nobody's fault. Don't put words in my mouth.
Broadway opened last night. Who's fault was that strike?
The television writers are still on the picket line. Who's fault is that?
To be honest, I don't give a damn what the rookies get paid. They know the deal coming in and they choose to accept that pay. The top pay is still on the low side but given that it's three years behind it's not a terrible wage. A union is not responsible for people who might be members one day (unborn). It is responsible for the members it has now. This PERB contract was better for the existing members than what was offered by the city so in part it was a win. I got more money.
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Not to go back and forth on a wage topic. But the reality is, that there is a serious crisis facing the City! No other job is having a recruitment problem. With the NYPD dealing with low staffing issues never seen before. Crime is slowly on the rise once again. If you look at the Crime Stats for Brooklyn North alone it's has become quite evident. The 77 precinct has 55 shooting victims for 2007, of which, quite a few are under the age of 18. One of which was even 3 year old girl. The Precinct Commanders would love to put Beat Cops on every corner, but the reality is that theres barely enough Cops to man the patrol cars. With the shortage of Police, the demands made on the Dept are still the same if not greater following 9/11. Everyday cops are sent to 11 Metrotech for security. They are sent to Manhattan for Surge drills. They are sent to numerous details and events around the City, including the Broadway strike. The remaining Police are worn out, trying to get a day off to spend with your family, is virtually impossible. After 3 years with out a Contract, Morale is at an all time low. The Recruits presently in the Academy will not even be able to replace the veteran officers that have retired this year. With the Contract settlement nowhere in sight, the City will once again be faced with a shortage of officers to fill the Police Academy.
I commend all those who want to do something about this problem, and I can't emphasive how serious this Public Safety issue has become. I would encourage all concerned members of the Community to support their Police Force and in turn, demand the same from their Officers. -
so let's sign some letters
the Crow Hill community has already signed a bunch and we are still gathering more... -
I sent mine in yesterday. if anyone needs some printed out, let me know.
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No one should be making $25,000 a year. We should support the right of all workers to earn a living wage, ESPECIALLY public sector workers. This is ridiculous! These are our tax dollars - we should demand that our taxes don't go to poverty wages!
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Way to go Guest! Way to go Alafairnadia!
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I haven't had a chance to print any out at work yet, but I should have time to do so Monday. But I did forward the info on to my tenants' association email list, so maybe that will generate a few more letters. If any of you have neighbors you can send the info to who don't visit Brooklynian, please do!
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It's so interesting to see the responses generated by this campaign and hopefully they attest to the importance of it.
Just wanted to remind everyone participating:
we will be collecting all letters to copy and present.
PLEASE do not send your signed letters to Commissioner Kelly directly,
PLEASE send them to us:
Crown Heights Coalition
c/o Assemblyman Camara
231 Empire Blvd
Brooklyn, NY 11225
or if you have many, email us at
[email protected]
to arrange for us to get them.
Thanks again for joining in. -
Great initiative. I'm sending out the letters today! Thanks so much for putting effort in this campaign.
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I dropped mine off last night!! It's great to see such unity.
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this is GREAT! my letter is written and on it's way!!
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Since the deadline for sending in letters has now passed (they wanted them sent in by Friday), I'm going to go ahead and un-sticky this. Hope lots of y'all sent one in!
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REMEMBER
This is an ongoing campaign.
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Keep your letters coming!!!
Anything we receive before Thursday evening will be presented to Commissioner Kelly at his Community Partnership Forum this Thursday:
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