Shucks! Mugged in the Hallway (St. Johns/Washington)
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thanks for letting us know and everything, but as one of those neighbors you're sharing information with, i'm not sure how useful that is. i already knew there had been many muggings lately and am already watching my back more than before. i'm not sure what else to do, short of moving.
i agree with the idea that your method is zero deterrent for the errant youths involved or for others interested in pursuing a similar avocation.
please tell the police and help the rest of us out, even if we're not as worthy of your concern as these nice kids. thanks. -
sweet tea wrote: i agree with the idea that your method is zero deterrent for the errant youths involved or for others interested in pursuing a similar avocation.
I understand where you're coming from, but I'd say that awareness and caution are actual potent assets, as many cops will tell you, as well. That isn't to say that the responsibility falls on citizens, but as a matter of sheer practicality, telling your neighbors who may not have been aware of such crimes in the vicinity does have positive value.
And as I already wrote before you posted, I'm going to notify the police that it occurred, but don't have much else to provide in the way of information. -
just saw your last post. the only thing that suggests itself to me besides dealing with the police -- who, for all their faults, are who we as a society have chosen as the people to handle these issues, fwiw -- is to organize an active community watch group.
it would be nice if you did this quickly, since the gentlemen in question are evidently active now, and if you included many blocks, so that they don't just leave yours alone and spend more time with the rest of us.
it is lucky and nice that they were so kind to you -- i mean that. my impression is that their behavior in that instance might also lead to more lenient punishment, assuming the police could catch them. i suppose you could even extend that idea to include the notion that it would be better to set them straight in some way (and unless you know these kids or their parents, i'm not sure how to do that without the police) before they are tempted to go further. -
Lets clarify here for a moment... "property theft" involves taking someones property without them knowing it..IE: Car being stolen over night, Radio stolen from vehicle, shoplifting from target. Surrounding someone in the lobby of their building and forcibly removing their property constitutes a "VIOLENT FELONY", so please get this notion out of your head that this was a minor offense. Also there have been a shitload of Robberies in that area with the same MO in the past few months. What do think your lack of action is going to do for these nice young men? Do you think that after victimizing you they would see the err of their ways and turn to a life of Christ?
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Subject: Once upon a mugging
do the name twanna mean anything -
Subject: Enough
So all the mindless insulting chatter aside, what can we do to resolve this problem? I have noticed these groups of kids in the neighborhood, they've sat on my car and been loud until the wee hours of the morning and even poked smot on my stoop (mum was the word from the 77th precinct on those matters) - luckily that's as far as it has come.
How can we stop them? How can we make ourselves feel safe in our own neighborhood again? -
Well for the first time in a long while its nice to be an agreement with 99% of my fellow Daily Heighters. BTW what is poked smot?
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Subject: calling all cars
They probably don't know what poked smoting is do you.It sounds kind of obscene -
sweet tea wrote: just saw your last post. the only thing that suggests itself to me besides dealing with the police -- who, for all their faults, are who we as a society have chosen as the people to handle these issues, fwiw -- is to organize an active community watch group.
I think there's something to that and would gladly welcome anyone else interested to contact me and discuss that as a possibility in the long term.King without a crown wrote: What do think your lack of action is going to do for these nice young men? Do you think that after victimizing you they would see the err of their ways and turn to a life of Christ?
Who knows? I think you're making a lot of assumptions about kids who you don't know besides as perpetrators of crimes. It isn't as crazy for me to say that inaction (which I'm not proposing) will keep them from turning out worse as it is for you to suggest that them going into the judicial system, as it is now, will make anyone legitimately safe or make them realize the "error of their ways." -
King without a crown wrote: Well for the first time in a long while its nice to be an agreement with 99% of my fellow Daily Heighters. BTW what is poked smot?
Up is down! Right is left! Brown is the new black!
Smot can be purchased from various delivery services as well as, in some locations, from enterprising street vendors. It can be poked with a variety of devices or in a hand-rolled form. Some people like smot in brownies or spaghetti sauce. Or so I've heard. If one does participate in the poking of smot, it is best poked in the privacy of one's own home, and certainly not on the street. -
restassured wrote: It isn't as crazy for me to say that inaction (which I'm not proposing) will keep them from turning out worse as it is for you to suggest that them going into the judicial system, as it is now, will make anyone legitimately safe or make them realize the "error of their ways."
It might not, but it might keep them from mugging people again in the future. It would be wonderful if we lived in a world in which all wayward youth could be reformed, but whether they are or not, it's not okay for them to be out robbing people. I'd rather see something done than nothing. And I appreciate that you've been persuaded to report this. -
Subject: once upon a time
I think everyone is being put on and should get a good nights rest. -
Ya know when I first read the Post, I thought it was a big hoax.But It's sad to say that I think this is one is 100% real!
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Subject: time will tell
get a good nights rest and think about it tomorrow -
Ok...It's tomorrow.
Just because it appears that the police response may be lacking please understand that police work is much more involved than just taking a report and going home. You might think that the police aren't doing anything but rest assured that the officers and detectives assigned to the Burglary/Robbery Apprehension Module(BRAM) and the detective squad are working on these cases.
Honestly, it is difficult to identify a perp in many of these cases based on the general descriptions (male black, 17-20 years old, black hoody, blue jeans). Sometimes victims are too fearful to get a good look at the perp. Many times the victims look at the photos of criminals at the precinct and become easily frustated because the pics "all look the same". A lack of good witnesses and even good video compounds this.
Please, if you were a witness of a robbery, call the 77. If you can't call that night (or are afraid to) you can call the next day. Ask to speak to somebody in BRAM. You're info might actually be helpful.
Speaking of witnesses...There were several note worthy incidents today. There was a robbery of an oil delivery driver on Eastern Parkway and a shooting on Franklin Ave, both around 3:00pm on 12/2/07. The perp involved in the robbery was apprehended but if you have any info please call the 77 or 71. The shooter from Franklin Ave is still at large and the 77 Detective Squad is seeking information. -
Subject: Re: Shucks! Mugged in the Hallway (St. Johns/Washington)
If master shake, frylock or meatwad saw this posting they would call you something allot worse than pathetic.
And yes it is that simple those kids are scum. They committed a crime and should be caught and punished. And because of your insane logic they are most likely going to perpetrate the same crime against one of your neighbors.restassured wrote: [quote=jgregorie]wow
It's not so simple as "they were scum bags." I don't have to demonize them just because they committed a crime against me. I didn't deserve to get robbed (no one does), but speaking as someone who was inside a prison every week, mostly dealing with young men who were there for property and drug crimes, I can say that putting these kids away would defer, not solve, the problem for anyone.
Are you so paralyzed with liberal guilt that you have convinced yourself its your fault you got mugged because you neglected to immediately close the door behind you in your own building?
They were nice kids? these little scum bags just robbed you!
You really sound pathetic.
As I wrote already, I'm keeping my neighbors well aware of the details of the situation. I still may notify the police that the incident occurred, but given the fact that I'd little identifying information for them, and no desire to see these kids locked away, just maybe more police presence as a deterrent (which comes with its own complications), I was hesitant to leap to my phone in the aftermath of this episode.
Although to keep calm in the face of a troubling event, I emphasized what went right in a semi-comical fashion, rather than what obviously went wrong, I recognize fully that there are diffuse community impacts here. Just as it's one's responsibility to take that into consideration, it also seems incumbent upon other people to respect the person who's actually been robbed's discretion in handling such a matter.
I also scarcely find it sound to handle this with a broad-brushing "white knight/black bandit" approach. Maybe I should call the Aqua Teen Hunger Force, they'll be about as helpful to me as you are.King without a crown wrote: the victims are defending them on Message Boards on their right to ROB people.
At what point did I defend anyone's "right" to rob someone? I'll give you an iPod, too, if you're able to cite where I expressed that these kids were entitled to my belongings.
And this, "Mamacita:"Mamacita wrote:
is a delightful comic strip from A. Wyatt Mann, who I would definitely trust as a source for insightful social commentary were he not a virulent white supremacist who happens to hate everyone of my ancestry. -
I went to the 77th today and found that while they appreciated my coming forward, filing a report was essentially useless because I couldn't definitively identify any of the kids (something I clearly wrote in a prior post, which anyone might want to read before chastising me for being a bad victim again).
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restassured wrote: I went to the 77th today and found that while they appreciated my coming forward, filing a report was essentially useless because I couldn't definitively identify any of the kids (something I clearly wrote in a prior post, which anyone might want to read before chastising me for being a bad victim again).
did you file the report? this can often be the response from officers b/c for some reason they don't want to take the time to do the paperwork. i sure hope you weren't convinced into NOT filing the report. -
Subject: Re: Shucks! Mugged in the Hallway (St. Johns/Washington)
jgregorie wrote: If master shake, frylock or meatwad saw this posting they would call you something allot worse than pathetic.
You win. Adult Swim is the vanguard of tough-on-crime rhetoric. We're all totally independent beings from the moment we can shit by ourselves and can attribute nothing to circumstances or externalities, and therefore can deem children scum. You've made the world so gloriously simple for me that I think I'll go fly a kite and skip merrily through the dandelions.
And yes it is that simple those kids are scum. They committed a crime and should be caught and punished. And because of your insane logic they are most likely going to perpetrate the same crime against one of your neighbors. -
Smokin' Joe wrote: i have to agree with the cops (although without the sarcasm) and some of the other posters here. robbery, which is what this was, is a serious crime, regardless of how much or how little was taken. reporting it is important, whether they ever catch the kids or not. accurate statistics showing how much crime we have in our neighborhood can help direct more resources here.
I agree with SJ completely. Anyone who is a victim or witness to a crime should report it to the police. If the statistics are truley increasing here, then they will establish a larger, more visible police presence, as well as more police-community interaction. -
vanilla wrote:
Yeah, but aside from another dot on an already crowded map, my information had little investigative value.
did you file the report? this can often be the response from officers b/c for some reason they don't want to take the time to do the paperwork. i sure hope you weren't convinced into NOT filing the report. -
Reporting a Crime is useless if you are unwilling to prosecute. By now I hope everyone is aware that Crime is up City-Wide, and with victims like Restassured I can't imagine why.
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It's not a matter of not wanting to take a report. It's just paper. The issue, as Crown mentioned, is that some victims don't understand how involved it actually to be a victim. As I've discussed earlier, it involves canvassing the area and looking at "mugshots" on the computer at the precinct. Then when/if the perp is caught the vic will have to spend time speaking with the Asst. DA on the phone the day of/after the arrest. The victim will probably have to go down to the DA's office in person at some point and will certainly be required to appear in court.
Responding officers explain the entire process to the victim so that they understand how much is required of them as a victim. The police don't want to take reports for Majors (robbery, burglary, murder...)if they know that they will have no shot at actually prosecuting the perp due to a lack of cooperation from the victim. Everybody knows about Compstat and how the Commanding Officers need to keep numbers down. -
What time of day or night was it?
Worth reporting to the cops because there have been a string of robberies and muggings by kids over the past few months in the 'hood and the more reports they get, the more they patrol--supposedly, anyway. -
Theoretically speaking, making lots of complaint reports would affect Police response to the area. Unfortunately the 77 pct has only around 125 Police Officers down from about 250 Officers 10 years ago. The Precinct officers are spread so thin that having 4 Patrol cars for the entire precinct has become a luxury.
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Hamilton wrote: [quote=ParadeRest]Did they give you a "muggins-r-us" customer satisfaction survey? I heard that every 20th customer gets a free burglary.
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I called ,but they don't work on weekends, has something to do with Union rules.
I'm sticking with "We Be Muggers"
They are really a great bunch of felons.
I'm really sorry Hamilton, that you got mugged. I know how it feels to be a victim of a crime and actually grateful to the perps that it wasn't worse.
On the other hand, this sounds like some kind of liberalism completely gone amuck. Report it to the police! They are not going to get caught anyway, so you can save your liberal guilt and you will be doing your community a favor by making sure that the crime statistics are up to date. -
King without a crown wrote: Reporting a Crime is useless if you are unwilling to prosecute. By now I hope everyone is aware that Crime is up City-Wide, and with victims like Restassured I can't imagine why.
Are you joking? Yes, I'm certain that crime is up because of a surge in young, sympathetic radical corrections reform theorists. I read about that in the Times yesterday.
Oh wait, but is crime actually up citywide? As of their last analysis on 9/12/07, the New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services actually reported an overall negative trend in NYC's crime rate from 2006 (-4.1% overall and -10% in robberies), including in robberies. Now, I'm willing to accept that it jumped up a little from there because the study was a six month comparison, but I've yet to read anything that statistically demonstrates that "Crime is up City-Wide." Or do you not believe in statistics either? -
sorry, that was for restassured, not Hamilton.
It's time for us to take our neighborhoods back and not to tolerate this behavior from our kids any more. We are all responsible. -
filmlover44 wrote: sorry, that was for restassured, not Hamilton.
Liberalism gone amok? Really? I suggest hesitation in wanting to report kids to the police because I've actually seen some measure of the realities of prison (not just read about it in college or seen it on MSNBC), and therefore that's some kind of lofty left wing idealism? I wonder when it became popular to flex how little "liberal guilt" you had to the point where you really just stop thinking or caring about difficult issues.
It's time for us to take our neighborhoods back and not to tolerate this behavior from our kids any more. We are all responsible.
And for Christ's sake, the least you can do is actually read what I wrote before you jump on the dogpile. I have talked to the police. I have filed a report. I have looked at literally twelve hundred mugshots to the point where my eyes went red. The detective even tried to "remind me" of what one of the perpetrators looked like initially. -
filmlover44 wrote: sorry, that was for restassured, not Hamilton.
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It's time for us to take our neighborhoods back and not to tolerate this behavior from our kids any more. We are all responsible.
I guess you were watching the wrong movie , i'm getting mugged this weekend .
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