Shucks! Mugged in the Hallway (St. Johns/Washington)
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Why does every single fucking thread on here descend into utter shit?
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ANFIELD wrote: Why does every single fucking thread on here descend into utter shit?
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Lonely people with nothing to say. -
Crime stats are as accurate as the People reporting the crime. Just look around, every week theres a new Robbery Thread on here. 57 people have been shot in the 77 this year. There was just another Homicide on St. Johns Place on Saturday. Keep believing those Crime stats!
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King without a crown wrote: Crime stats are as accurate as the People reporting the crime. Just look around, every week theres a new Robbery Thread on here. 57 people have been shot in the 77 this year. There was just another Homicide on St. Johns Place on Saturday. Keep believing those Crime stats!
Yeah, granted, but how would you know about those 57 people without the crime statistics? And furthermore, when has the 77th Precinct's jurisdiction ever been a utopia? Citywide, we're seeing the smallest murder rate since 1963, and with only 35 documented homicides occurring between strangers in a city of 8 million or so, I think that's somewhat reassuring.
Things besides crime statistics can inform, and more importantly misinform perceptions of how dangerous a city is. Local news coverage is so frontloaded with crime that even when crime is legitimately and irrefutably on the decline, people tend to believe the opposite.
You stated that crime is up citywide and yet provided no information to back that up besides numbers that you then seemed to invalidate by dismissing crime statistics. What are you even arguing? You want to be paranoid and angry without any consistent, rational evidence to justify it. It'd be absurd for me to feel guilty or wrong listening to someone who cannot even stick to their own basic standards of proof in a discussion. -
I never said that Crime Statistics are invaluable, what I said is that they are as accurate as the people report them, and compiling them. The point I was making is that there are many people like yourself that do not report crime, even violent felonies. How many cases do you think get mis classified? Murders classified as suicide? Robberies classified as petit larceny?
I'm certainly not being paranoid, angry yes, at people who get victimized by Crime, then turn around and blame themselves, and justify and defend criminals, and refuse to do anything about it. I don't have to prove that Crime is up either, just OPEN YOUR EYES!!! -
Subject: Pro-active defense - be smart
People protect yourself. I think a would be perp will think twice (the next time) if he is sprayed in the face. I'd give him an extra kick when he's down, but thats me. I don't take kindly to people taking my stuff.
http://www.pepper-spray-store.com/products/policehome-2_10.html
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Subject: Re: Pro-active defense - be smart
jab287 wrote: People protect yourself. I think a would be perp will think twice (the next time) if he is sprayed in the face. I'd give him an extra kick when he's down, but thats me. I don't take kindly to people taking my stuff.
If you could actually spray all 3 kids before they got to you, that amount of pepper spray in an enclosed space like a vestibule would affect you too.
http://www.pepper-spray-store.com/products/policehome-2_10.html
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i got spray once by a racist attacker not cool stuff. i'm sure the muggers would have it too.
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Subject: Re: Pro-active defense - be smart
jab287 wrote: I'd give him an extra kick when he's down, but thats me. I don't take kindly to people taking my stuff.
Right. And then when you later get beat, stabbed up, or worse in retaliation (since they know where you live), will you try to use your keychain pepper spray then too?
I really don't think you're ready to take it to the level that these kids are. You're out of your league, so just make sure your pride is really worth that much to you. -
i got my ass kicked i'm in pain alive....
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King without a crown wrote: I never said that Crime Statistics are invaluable, what I said is that they are as accurate as the people report them, and compiling them. The point I was making is that there are many people like yourself that do not report crime, even violent felonies. How many cases do you think get mis classified? Murders classified as suicide? Robberies classified as petit larceny?
If Crime Statistics aren't invaluable, then why cite a discrete number of crimes as proof that there's a problem? Why try to prove a point with a statistic and then not give a shit when someone else uses such information? Oh, and a quick aside, money: I REPORTED THE CRIME. Please try to make as thorough an effort at reading as you do at argumentative hypocrisy.
I'm certainly not being paranoid, angry yes, at people who get victimized by Crime, then turn around and blame themselves, and justify and defend criminals, and refuse to do anything about it. I don't have to prove that Crime is up either, just OPEN YOUR EYES!!!
I never blamed myself, except in terms of stupidly leaving my door open. I think that's a fair feeling. But I never tried to justify crime, nor blankly defend criminals. I actually just insisted that maybe the approach of "find 'em and lock 'em up" wasn't a sound solution, but instead just a deferral of a problem until people who commit robbery get out of prison.
Lastly, I cannot take someone seriously as an adult citizen of a nation of laws allegedly anchored in reason when he says that he doesn't have to prove an assertion that requires sound evidence (i.e. not just "opening my eyes" since anecdotal proof is liable to distort the bigger picture).
I'll drop this now, since you're obviously intransigent to the point of neither thinking nor even simply looking at the posts I've made that directly contradict what you've written. -
one reason why cops don't report crimes its because it looks bad on the statistics and it show that crime is actually rising
sorry for any missspelling but my eye is partially closed from the beating -
On the corner of Vanderbilt and Prospect last night, we walked passed a cop car, two cops and 3 teenagers. The kids had their IDs out...
Could totally be unrelated, but just thought of this when I saw the posting of you actually reporting the incident.
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Subject: Re: Pro-active defense - be smart
jab287 wrote: People protect yourself. I think a would be perp will think twice (the next time) if he is sprayed in the face. I'd give him an extra kick when he's down, but thats me. I don't take kindly to people taking my stuff.
I've heard statistics that show that in over half of all pepper spray attacks, it's actually the person carrying the spray that is the victim because a mugger knows how to deflect it.
http://www.pepper-spray-store.com/products/policehome-2_10.html
its $15
Save your money. -
Subject: Quality Of Spray
Pepper spray varies in strength. Be sure to purchase a name brand like Mace Police Model. Some store pepper spray is a weak 2 percent. This will stop any criminal usually
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ZOMG, Gary from West Palm. Way to bring back a classic! =D> :roll:
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When I got mugged (wallet taken) on the border of Crown & Prospect Heights, the police brought me to the station at Crown Heights.
The detective at the staion gave me his business card....
I responded
"I guess I won't be putting that in my wallet then will I?"
He looked at me kinda funny after I said that.
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Subject: Re: Shucks! Mugged in the Hallway (St. Johns/Washington)
jgregorie wrote: You really sound pathetic.
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This thread is defenitely a classic, as for the Pepper spray(OC Spray), Law enforcement are the only ones allowed to carry over 5% concentration of actual pepper.
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Keep beating it.
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Rorschach wrote: Keep beating it.
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King without a crown wrote: Last time I checked Robbery wasn't considered "petty theft". I believe it's #3 right below Murder and Rape and the FBI's 7 Major crimes list. No wonder these little shitheads are doing this. The victims are defending them on Message Boards on their right to ROB people.
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King without a crown wrote: This thread is defenitely a classic, as for the Pepper spray(OC Spray), Law enforcement are the only ones allowed to carry over 5% concentration of actual pepper.
Oh really? I did not know that. I have some (acutally I gave it to my GF) that I brought back form Michigan last time I visitied my family.
I better check to make sure we aren't violting.
Also, KWAC do you know where in the city you can purchase NY authorized spray? -
Subject: Re: Pro-active defense - be smart
Restless Native wrote: [quote=jab287]I'd give him an extra kick when he's down, but thats me. I don't take kindly to people taking my stuff.
Right. And then when you later get beat, stabbed up, or worse in retaliation (since they know where you live), will you try to use your keychain pepper spray then too?
I really don't think you're ready to take it to the level that these kids are. You're out of your league, so just make sure your pride is really worth that much to you.
For a female, I think the immediate desire to not be raped rightly outwieghs any consideration of future retaliation. -
exactly, sometimes getting caught without something is far worse than getting caught with it.
...but don't count on it. Think of it as a motorcycle helmet: Its good to have, but you never actually want to use it. ...its best to avoid the truck. -
Lo Kee wrote: Also, KWAC do you know where in the city you can purchase NY authorized spray?
There's a thread on this somewhere....I recall Neergards pharmacy in PS was closest place to buy it around here. -
Subject: Re: Shucks! Mugged in the Hallway (St. Johns/Washington)
restassured wrote: I stupidly neglected to close the building door after me on Thursday night, and wouldn't you know it, three young men followed me in and proceeded to methodically strip me of my cash, my iPod shuffle, and a Metrocard.
Find them; kill them. Any questions?
All things told, they were nice kids, but I don't know if it was worth their time. I don't really have the kind of scrilla that outweighs the risk of a robbery.
Out of curiosity, though, for those who have lived here way longer than I have: would it be safe to venture that these aren't kids from the immediate neighborhood?
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You can purchase Pepper spray at Police Equpitment stores like Meyers Uniforms on Flatbush ave and Livingston St. You can also purchase this stuff online. Remember Pepper spray is legal; Mace is not.
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Which building is yours?
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King without a crown wrote: Remember Pepper spray is legal; Mace is not.
drinking on your stoop isnt legal either, but we do that, so... i say go for the taser!
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