A Train Beatdown Video

yeah I saw this. The audio I saw was pretty bad so I couldn't tell if the guy was mouthing off or starting trouble (not to say that he deserved what happened if he had been screwing with the girls).

Kids today (i'm now a 100 years old).

Did he swing though, even after the attack began? Remarkable restraint if he didn't.

kids are so angry nowadays

Hamilton...

I'm beginning to think you're a member of the Aryan Nation, seriously.

On this thread... Bernie Goetz? Are you crazy?

On another thread... Social misfits "crawl" out of Bishop Ford High School... Trudge along the avenue "babbling ebonics"... Wow... You really have some issues.

These are kids. Kids do stupid things, especially when they're in a group. Some people speak a certain way among social peers and different way in other circumstances.

What are you doing still living in the neighborhood anyway? Move to Idaho... or Bensonhurst or Douglaston... Anywhere but my neighborhood.

Carlton Banks wrote: Hamilton...

I'm beginning to think you're a member of the Aryan Nation, seriously.
{snip}What are you doing still living in the neighborhood anyway? Move to Idaho... or Bensonhurst or Douglaston... Anywhere but my neighborhood.

Carlton, if you check Hamilton's profile, I'm not so sure he is in this neighborhood; he seems to wander around posting dopey little cracks all over these fora.

He could just be someone who's really bored at work and is a little too lazy to think of a more creative way to goof off; in other words, really not worth the energy you're spending getting this upset over him, IMO.

Just let it roll, he ain't worth it.

That seemed so staged to me. He had soo many opportunities to leave the subway car and the train did stop at a station and noone got on.YEah ok. They are thinking it was this amateur filmmaker taping it.Some of those "girls" looked like boys.Anyway,,if it isnt fake I hope he is ok and they catch the idiots.

And y'all think that's authentic?

kgs wrote: I'm sorry but that Bernie Goetz remark was funny. Lighten up, folks.

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Tell that to Queencallipygos, you'll probably be banned from Carltons neighborhood now and he'll have you sent back to the aryan nation. :P

See article in today's Daily News re: father's response and they also have the video posted online (www.nydailynews.com -- sorry I don't know how to create that direct link from here).

I hadn't seen the video before and it's bizarre to me. My experience is that most people who see this kind of trouble on the train get up and change cars. The whole videotaping aspect itself is suspect. It looks fake until the actual beating -- the way one girl was yelling "get off" during the beating seemed genuine.

I wish we knew the real story. But I have worked with teenage girls in the past and they can be frighteningly vicious.

Subject: Shut up and stay out of my neighborhood

I'd like to say something ,but i don't think i'm allowed to.

queencallipygos wrote: [quote=Hamilton][quote=kgs]I'm sorry but that Bernie Goetz remark was funny. Lighten up, folks.

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Tell that to Queencallipygos, you'll probably be banned from Carltons neighborhood now and he'll have you sent back to the aryan nation. :P

Stay or go as you please, it's all one to me; I don't trouble myself with the petty.

Besides, if you can't get my gender right, you're probably harmless anyway. :?
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he'll is referring to Carlton not you, if you have a gender issue, who cares

Carlton Banks wrote: Sorry... I've been crawling around on my stoop, babbling ebonics, threatening people as they walk by most of the day.

Hamilton I don't care what you say. I may comment on some of your more ridiculous/delusional/racist posts... Remember when you were on the subway and punched a mugger in the face then picked up his gun and threw it in the gutter because you figured the cops couldn't pull any good prints? Or the post detailing all your experiences with Black people... They were always trying to rob you (except of course the good Blacks that worked for you)... Hilarious.. Those two actually made me laugh so I didn't comment.

In my opinion you are most likely a flamer who's bored and likes to make up stories but this is America and you're entitled to your opinion/version of reality. It's good to know there are people like you out there. Makes me realize just how far we still have to go.

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It would probably help if you could read something and understand what was written. one example is I never stated everyone was trying to rob me.
the rest of your gibberish is the ranting of a racist asshole

Who's the flamer with the name Carlton Banks, did you really name yourself after a kid on tv .

[talk about thing that make people laugh]
Get a handle on yourself as everybody is on to you.

Here's your post... Verbatim...

Quoting Hamilton...
"I would like to share my Black experiences with you.

1) My older son slashed by a deranged black.

2) My younger son[ 11years old] was holding his brothers radio when a 19 year old black rode up on a bike and asked where 9th st. was,as he turned to direct him,he was punched in the face and as he desperatly held on to the radio the
punk put a knife to his neck and pulled the radio from his hands ,that was the bad news here comes the good news . My son hailed a passing Police car and had this asshole arrested. I hope his 9 months at Rikers was enjoyable.

3) My wife was robbed while shopping on Fulton St.

4) On a saturday after working half day I entered the train station at Wall&William St .As i passed through the turnstile i spotted a black standing by the stairs,thinking nothing of it i went to the lower level to catch a train.
There was a middle aged couple waiting on the platform, i walked about twenty feet passed them ,at that point i was approached by the black with a gun in his hand, he raised his hand and blurted"give it up" I told him you must be a moron there's a cop right behind you [there wasn't] he turned and said what you talking about,I repeated there's a cop behind him and when he turned his head this time I knocked the gun from his hand and hit him with a left hook knocking him on his ass. As I picked up the gun he flew up the stairs and on to the street.
I didn't call the cops because he was probably half way across the Brooklyn Bridge by the time I exited the station to try to locate him..
Did this make me a racist,no, it just made me distrustful ."

I'm pretty sure each of your experiences (at least as you described it) were Black people trying to steal from you. These are your words, not mine. You say you aren't racist, but distrustful. If you saw me on the street you would distrust me, simply because of the color of my skin. What does that make you if not racist? Now I'm also fairly certain my English skills are superior to yours so I'm not quite sure how my posts can be construed as gibberish. Lastly I challenge you to find any evidence of racist comments on my behalf. As for my name, if you really were in Fort Greene and familiar with the neighborhood you'd recognize the play on words...

from the Daily News:

'A' train video poster has subway history

BY ALISON GENDAR, JOE GOULD and CORKY SIEMASZKO
DAILY NEWS WRITERS

Friday, December 7th 2007, 1:54 AM
Debbie Rivera and Kadejra Holmes, who allegedly posted A train video, were busted in September train assault.

Debbie Rivera and Kadejra Holmes, who allegedly posted A train video, were busted in September train assault.

If you know anyone who appears in this video, please email [email protected].

The Harlem teenager who posted the shocking A train beatdown video is not just a budding filmmaker - she's a girl who's gone wild on the subway before.

Kadejra Holmes, 17, was busted with a buddy in September on charges of slugging a woman on a Manhattan-bound J/M/Z train, police sources said Thursday.

That buddy, whom cop sources identified as Debbie (Mookie) Rivera of Brooklyn, appears briefly in a pink coat in the violent video of a straphanger being beaten by teenagers that has outraged the city.

"I'm not going to tell you the story of everything that happened," Rivera, 14, told a Daily News reporter Thursday in her father's presence. "I had a hard day. I already told the police everything. You can ask them."

The Manhattan woman who says Holmes and Rivera assaulted her Sept. 3 was eager to talk about her brush with the teen terrors - as long as her name wasn't published.

The 24-year-old woman, who works in finance, said she was heading home from Brooklyn after visiting her parents and was waiting for the train at the Lorimer St. station when Kadejra and the younger girl Kadejra referred to as her "significant other" began jawing at her.

"She has the kind of mouth that will just go off," the woman said. "I ignored her. I finally said, 'I keep to my own business.'"

The verbal barrage continued after they boarded and when the train began crossing the bridge to Manhattan, "the woman and her friend attacked me."

"They were just looking for some action, that's how I viewed it," the woman said. "People quickly pulled them off me. They only attacked me for a couple of seconds before the train stopped at the next station. I called cops from my cell phone."

Holmes and Rivera were arrested at the Delancey St. station in Manhattan and charged with misdemeanor assault. Both were given desk appearance tickets, police said.

The NYPD still isn't saying whether the footage that Holmes posted on YouTube last month was a hoax - or the real deal. They said the videotaped victim has not surfaced or filed a complaint with police.

Meanwhile, officers were spotted questioning teenagers getting on and off at the Broadway Junction station - where the train was pulling in when the victim in the videotape was pummeled.

Holmes, who met with lawyers Thursday, couldn't be reached for comment. Her parents insist she did not take the footage or join in the beating.

William Bastone of The Smoking Gun Web site, which first noticed the violent video, said Kadejra told him she made the mayhem-filled minimovie but insisted she did not beat on the man.

The video begins with a pair of foul-mouthed girls taunting the sitting straphanger, who acts like a gentleman and tries to calm them down.

As the confrontation escalates, the camera moves to Rivera and the person taking the video asks, "Do you have something to say about this?"

Rivera appears nervous as she shakes her head no. A short time later, the man is seen covering his head to ward off the blows of the teenagers bearing down on him.

"She was just sitting there, she didn't do anything wrong," her father, Felipe Rivera, said. "I saw the video on the news last night. There were a lot of people sitting there. I didn't like what they did to that man. It was wrong."

Asked about Holmes, the elder Rivera scowled and said, "She doesn't come around here anymore."

shishkab wrote: holy crap!

Hamilton? Carlton?

if you want to continue the dialogue about the kids on the train, i suggest a cease and desist from both of you on personal attacks before the mods lock the thread or give you guys a time out.

i hate to be the mom here, but i'm just sayin'. :?

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My Post had nothing to do with the train incident it dealt with problems where i live..and carlton is the one who called me a flamer which is what started the hostility.

I think this whole "Kids will be kids" perspective is really an expression of veiled hostility or stylized cowardice - it's not tolerance. Aberrant behavior (assaults, harassment etc) should not be dismissed as child-like behavior, because it's not normal, child-like behavior - it's abusive and sociopathic - and to justify completely abnormal behavior as normal speaks volumes about its defenders. The type of "kids" being defended here are people-shaped animals and antisocial mental cases with a blatant disregard for others....how this can be defended by anyone who has children or loved ones is beyond me.