Gang Grafitti!?! - This is what we need now?
On the corner of Franlin and Dean, there's that big blank expanse of wall from that huge Monti warehouse complex - scrawled in big red letters...
"Arthur Miller something..something Bloods"
1) Annoying as hell - last thing anyone wants to see
2) Is this the sort of things you call the cops about - just to make sure they know this has gone up
3) Does the owner of the building paint over this?
Franklin's been sort of shady for a while but with the influx of new people and businesses (Saje, Bombay Masala, Sushi tatsu, the new place betw. St John and Lincoln) and escalating housing prices it's not like I'm too worried that the gangs have an intractable toehold in the neighborhood...
but I'm a little worried?
"Arthur Miller something..something Bloods"
1) Annoying as hell - last thing anyone wants to see
2) Is this the sort of things you call the cops about - just to make sure they know this has gone up
3) Does the owner of the building paint over this?
Franklin's been sort of shady for a while but with the influx of new people and businesses (Saje, Bombay Masala, Sushi tatsu, the new place betw. St John and Lincoln) and escalating housing prices it's not like I'm too worried that the gangs have an intractable toehold in the neighborhood...
but I'm a little worried?
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lolz!
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lolz! wrote: lolz!
Laugh out Loud, Zeus? -
Arthur Miller has been dead a long time. And I don't think he was in the Bloods.
I think you should go easier on the medication, that's what I think. It's called graffitti. Try to get the owner to paint over it if you find it disturbing. -
Actually it says:
Welcome to Athens Miller
Bloods
With a C with an X through it or something and something else I can't remember but it said West. There was similar graffiti under the train overpass on Bergen that said something about West Side Neighborhood in red with another symbol next to it. I see the guys mostly in the summer dressed in red hanging out on Franklin. It's interesting to see some of them who you wouldn't think were Bloods if it weren't for their colors hanging out of their back right pockets. -
caseopele wrote: Actually it says:
Usually if it has a "c" with a line slashed through it the graffiti was done by a rival gang (bloods).
Welcome to Athens Miller
Bloods
With a C with an X through it or something and something else I can't remember but it said West. There was similar graffiti under the train overpass on Bergen that said something about West Side Neighborhood in red with another symbol next to it. I see the guys mostly in the summer dressed in red hanging out on Franklin. It's interesting to see some of them who you wouldn't think were Bloods if it weren't for their colors hanging out of their back right pockets.
The police will take a report even if the property owner can be located. The "people of the state of NY" become the complaintant and the report is used for statistical purposes. The owner may also have already filed a form with the NYPD giving the police authority to arrest anybody caught making graffiti on the property without the officer having to contact the owner.
The building owner is not required to clean up the graffiti but is encouraged to. The city has a graffiti clean up program and victim's can sign up for it via nyc.gov or by contacting the local precinct. -
ParadeRest wrote: The police will take a report even if the property owner can be located. The "people of the state of NY" become the complaintant and the report is used for statistical purposes. The owner may also have already filed a form with the NYPD giving the police authority to arrest anybody caught making graffiti on the property without the officer having to contact the owner.
The owner of the warehouse on Dean and Franklin is CPC Resources, a large developer in the area. They should definitely be notified. The property has been on the market for over a year. -
[quote="Anonymous"]Arthur Miller has been dead a long time. And I don't think he was in the Bloods.
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No Miller belonged to the Mohels
who are a scapel carrying gang from Boro Park.
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It actually read "It's Miller Time" -
ALRIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!MILLER TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll be right back, get get something cold from the fridge. -
Welcome to Arthur Miller would mean something totally different, that lucky bastard was married to Marilyn Monroe!
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caseopele wrote: Welcome to Arthur Miller would mean something totally different, that lucky bastard was married to Marilyn Monroe!
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Don't forget Joe DiMaggio, I guess she never had her eyes checked -
Hamilton wrote: [quote=caseopele]Welcome to Arthur Miller would mean something totally different, that lucky bastard was married to Marilyn Monroe!
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Don't forget Joe DiMaggio, I guess she never had her eyes checked
What are you saying? That she should have only married good looking men? I mean, I'd say that she was also lucky for being married to one of the most talented and prolific men that ever lived. By that, I mean Arthur Miller. -
Guest at 5:17 - talk about old school - giving props to Arthur Miller (not of the literary genre for those who thought that was the reference point). Arthur Miller, for all the old heads', always gets a shout out in the credits of Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing" along with Eleanor Bumpers and others....wow that was a throwback reference Guest...thanks for it...and always set the record straight 8) ...
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What's the reference? Now I'm curious
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Well, it looks like the Crips have tagged over the Bloods graffiti. I couldn't make out much of it but it looked like there was something "cow"? Damn, I wish my camera wasn't broken!
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The context for Crow Hill Resident - Arthur Miller was a neighborhood figure around the Prospect Pl/Nostrand Avenue parts of Crown Heights. Among other things, he had a serious street legal hot rod automobile collection that he and his brothers built in the 70's. Anyhow, he met an untimely death while under arrest by NYC cops. I don't want to start any anti-NYC police thread, but the facts were that he died while handcuffed and while being removed from the scene of the arrest, and being put in the back of a patrol car. Case as I recall was never resolved to the community's or family's satisfaction, but his name is memorialized in the credits of the Spike Lee Movie "Do the Right Thing" , where he lists several citizens that died in some way or another while interacting with NYC's finest during the late 70's. Not their finest actions by a long shot (pardon any unintended pun here). Eleanor Bumpers was a mentally unstable woman, shot while brandishing some makeshift weapon - (it was not a gun), and then there is a listing of a honor roll sudent on summer vacation from Phillips Exeter (or some such prep boarding school), who was shot and killed by NYC police when they thought he was carrying/brandishing a firearm. Turns out it was not a gun, not easliy mistaken for a gun, and again - seemed so out of character given the promise the youth was on track with....sorry for the long winded telling, but that's the full context...sad that at times, these things happen do repeat themselves.
Anyhow, the mention by Guest of the name flooded me with some memories - some bad, some good,...but none triggered by Marilyn Monroe's ex! :shock: -
The Philips Exeter student you are referring to is, I believe, Edmund Perry (see link below), the subject of a book entitled "Best Intentions". While the circumstances of his death were hotly debated, the accusation was that he and his brother attempted to mug a police officer.
Despite his intelligence, Perry was not without his flaws. Several fellow students interviewed by the author verified that Perry was a drug dealer at the prep school.
No, that does not justify his death, but casts some doubt that criminal behavior was "out of character" for this young man.
http://tinyurl.com/yregxj
The "makeshift weapon" handled by Eleanor Bumpers was, in fact, a 10-inch butchers knife. Ms. Bumpers suffered from mental illness and appeared to be in a psychotic episode when the police arrived at her apartment after she neglected to pay her rent for five months. She was shot when she lunged at a police officer with this knife. It was a very unfortunate incident and one that illustrates the complexities that result when mental illness and law enforcement intersect. She was clearly not in her right mind, yet a cop will always shoot when a fellow officer is in perceived danger. In the event of a split second decision, a cop's training always takes over. (The link below clearly disapproves of the way the Bumpers incident was handled by police)
http://shs.westport.k12.ct.us/jwb/Collab/CivRts/BumpersRslt.htm
MOD EDIT: made your amazon link a tiny url so it wouldn't break page width. -
"In the event of a split second decision, a cop's training always takes over."
OR, a gang of heavily armed men with firearms panics and shoots one a disturbed woman with a knife, blasting her hand off in the process. Perhaps they could have disabled her with tear gas or by some other means. But I guess that isn't how cops are "trained." -
Well, we can blame just the cops or we can look at the bigger picture. There were more people responsible for the death of Eleanor Bumpurs.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405E5DE1339F932A35752C1A962948260The police official, Deputy Chief John P. Lowe, said the police had decided against using tear gas or Chemical Mace to disable the woman, because ''the theory was that she was elderly and we would be able to handle her without too much trouble.''
Six members of the Emergency Service Unit had been called to the apartment by Housing Authority representatives who said the woman had a knife and was resisting eviction for failing to pay the monthly rent of $89.45 for four months.
Chief Lowe said an officer fired two shotgun blasts at the woman, Eleanor Bumpurs, after she had lunged with a 10-inch carving knife at two other officers. According to Chief Lowe, at least one officer in an Emergency Service squad has a shotgun when trying to subdue a person believed to be carrying a weapon. Asked in an interview why the officer had not fired a warning shot, Chief Lowe said:
''Our officers are not allowed to fire warning shots. They are trained to hit the target, not a leg or an arm, but the main part of the body.Miss Bumpurs said she and other relatives had advised Mrs. Bumpurs, who lived alone, not to allow strangers into her apartment. ''We had told her, 'Mom, don't open the door for nobody,' '' Miss Bumpurs said.
George Kramer, manager of the Sedgwick Houses, where Mrs. Bumpurs lived, said Miss Bumpurs and other family members had been told of the eviction. However, Miss Bumpurs disputed his statement. She said if the family had known about the problem, it would have paid the back rent.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DEED8103EF937A25752C0A961948260In other testimony yesterday in the trial before Justice Fred W. Eggert in State Supreme Court in the Bronx, a former employee of the Housing Authority said that, three weeks before Mrs. Bumpurs's death in 1984, her relatives tried to make a payment of about $180, half of the rent she owed.
But the former Authority employee, Joan Alfredson, said that she rejected the payment. Mrs. Alfredson, who was a bookkeeper, said she turned down the payment because she was forbidden to accept partial payment without the written consent of a supervisor.Mr. Ruiz, testifying for the prosecution, said that, on the day of the eviction, Oct. 29, 1984, he was in the vestibule outside Mrs. Bumpurs's apartment at 1551 University Avenue in the Morris Heights section of the Bronx. She lived alone in the $98.65-a-month apartment in the Sedgwick Houses.
Under cross-examination by Mr. Sullivan's lawyer, Bruce A. Smirty, Mr. Ruiz said that his agency was aware of reports from the authority that Mrs. Bumpurs was unable to manage her affairs. Asked why he had never requested emergency psychiatric help for her, Mr. Ruiz said that he had followed directions from his supervisors in handling her case.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A01E2DD1F39F93BA25752C1A962948260One of the employees faulted by officials for their actions was said by a source familiar with the case to be a psychiatrist who spent an hour with Mrs. Bumpurs four days before she was killed. The source said that, despite the fact that Mrs. Bumpurs held a knife during the interview, the psychiatrist approved the planned eviction without recommending that mental health personnel be on hand to calm Mrs. Bumpurs.
The source said the psychiatrist also did not inform welfare officials of the potential resistance of Mrs. Bumpurs.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D03EEDC1438F930A35751C1A962948260A psychiatrist who examined Eleanor Bumpurs four days before she was shot to death by the police in an eviction dispute said yesterday that state law had prevented him from having her committed to a psychiatric hospital.
The psychiatrist, Dr. Robert John, whose consulting contract with the city was terminated after the killing, defended his assessment of Mrs. Bumpurs's condition.In terminating Dr. John's contract, the Human Resources Administrator, Dr. George Gross, said that Dr. John should have recommended an emergency examination and possible hospitalization of Mrs. Bumpurs.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9801E0DA1738F93AA15752C1A962948260
But yesterday, Dr. John said that the law prevented him from ordering emergency hospitalization because, in his professional judgment, Mrs. Bumpurs was not a threat to herself or others.The police yesterday demonstrated several nonlethal devices, including a robot that sprays Chemical Mace, to be used in restraining emotionally disturbed people.
The use of the devices by the Emergency Service Unit is part of a revised procedure for dealing with the emotionally disturbed. The procedures were revised after a 66-year-old woman, Eleanor Bumpurs, was fatally shot by one of a group of police officers who were trying to evict her from her apartment in a Bronx housing project.Six of the restraining devices have been used by the department's hostage negotiating team. They are the robot, but without Mace; a shepherd's crook to grab a person's legs; a mechanical claw with a long handle that acts as a handcuff; a net; a projectile thrower that sprays talcum powder mixed with Mace, and a fire extinguisher that releases 100 pounds of water pressure.
A number of other devices will also be available to the unit. They are a device that emits a loud noise, a 10-foot- long Mace sprayer, a volt-thrower, a series of bright lights mounted on a bulletproof glass shield to distract a person and a blanket with bulletproof material.
Police Commissioner Benjamin Ward said that had any of these devices been used by the police in dealing with Mrs. Bumpurs, physical restraint might not have been necessary.
Now, we have cops who had not been properly trained to deal with a mentally ill person. Not allowed to fire a warning shot and trained to only hit the main part of the body?
The family who swore they didn't know she was behind on her rent yet tried to pay half of it a few weeks before. And told her not to answer the door for any strangers, possibly causing a mentally ill person to become even more unbalanced.
The Housing Authority for it's stupid rules of not accepting partial payment without a supervisor's written consent.
The state psychiatrist who sent her home after she spent their session holding a knife?
It's understandable to want to blame the cop who pulled the trigger. But I think that a number of people failed Mrs. Bumpurs and contributed to her death. -
So no one knows what the heck Welcome to Athens Miller means? And I walked by the building again today to see what the Crips wrote. What little I could make out was something that looked like "83COW", anyone know about that?
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caseopele wrote: So no one knows what the heck Welcome to Athens Miller means?
no sorry
but
a truck just drove by with a big ole
"graffiti free nyc" sign on it.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/cau/html/qol/anti_graffiti.shtml -
"It's understandable to want to blame the cop who pulled the trigger. But I think that a number of people failed Mrs. Bumpurs and contributed to her death."
C-O-P-S. Cops. One disturbed woman died when she was shot by several policemen. Sure, several folks could have helped her. But it was police officers who shot and killed her. Black folks are all too familiar with this scenario and the rationalizations (like yours) which inevitably follow. I'm not saying all police are evil or anything like that. We need the police. But they make mistakes too and need to be accountable. And I especially object when people like you try to rationalize what was in my opinion clearly a case of overzealous, nervous cops opting to pull the trigger rather than figure some other way to handle the situation. -
Ok, your first point? Wrong.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9402EEDA1239F933A05753C1A962948260A 67-year-old Bronx woman being evicted from a city housing project for nonpayment of rent was fatally shot by a police officer yesterday after she slashed at another officer with a butcher knife, the police said.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9505E0D81638F936A15752C1A962948260
Authorities said the woman, Eleanor Bumpurs, who was described as ''violent and uncontrollable,'' was shot in the chest when an officer assigned to the police Emergency Service Unit fired his shotgun.Mrs. Bumpurs, 66 years old, was shot to death four weeks ago by a New York City police officer, part of a police team attempting to restrain her while housing officials evicted her from an apartment in a Bronx housing project.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,960782-3,00.htmlLast October a white officer shot and killed Eleanor Bumpurs, 66, an emotionally disturbed black woman who allegedly lunged at a second officer with a ten-inch knife while police were evicting her from her apartment.
Second, I am NOT defending the cop who shot her. He was wrong and should have been punished for it. But it's irresponsible to place the blame solely on the officer when there were clearly other factors.
Third, "people like me"? Maybe I'll rush to judgement and assume you mean something nasty or derogatory by that statement. It's pretty easy to do that and turn this discussion into a flame war. But I won't do that because it will NOT help anything.
Fourth, I'm not hiding behind a Guest post.
There is no simple way to explain this horrible tragedy. The only thing we can do is look at what happened and why. Then figure out how to prevent it from happening again. Calling for blood feels good but solves nothing. It happened 23 years ago but the issues remain the same. NY government agencies are still failing the mentally ill, poor, and disadvantaged. What is being done about that? And how does your attitude help? -
do people think this graffiti is for real? i mean, is there a bloods/crips presence in the neighborhood or are kids just messing around?
i also happened to see a crips tag on classon b/w eastern parkway and lincoln the other day. -
[quote="mr. met"]do people think this graffiti is for real? i mean, is there a bloods/crips presence in the neighborhood or are kids just messing around?
Yeah, did we all wake up in Compton one morning? Sheesh. -
"Fourth, I'm not hiding behind a Guest post. And how does your attitude help?"
Hiding? You have an Internet identity. That's not exactly full disclosure. And I have a right ot somment as a guest. That's why the option exists. You're right. She was shot by one cop with a shotgun. But there were a gang of cops responding - not exactly an undermanned force considering they were facing one deranged woman.
Don't get it twisted. And who said it was my job to come up with a solution? I just didn't like your infernce that those cops were "following their training" when a cop armed with a shotgun and backed up by a team of fellow officers blasted one woman waving a knife. -
mr. met wrote: do people think this graffiti is for real? i mean, is there a bloods/crips presence in the neighborhood?
um, YES. that's hardly the only instance of crips or bloods graffiti.
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yea, sweet tea, i get that. i mentioned another location with a crips tag, remember?
i was just asking if there was anyone knew of any evidence of bloods/crips presence in the neighborhood other than writing on a wall (which anyone could be responsible for). -
Guest, I'm now pretty sure that you either didn't really read my first post or you missed something pretty important.
Now, we have cops who had not been properly trained to deal with a mentally ill person. Not allowed to fire a warning shot and trained to only hit the main part of the body?
Do you understand what I was saying there? Nowhere did I say they were just "following their training". Was it unclear that I was saying that the training the police received was inadequate? That not being allowed to fire a warning shot and trained to only hit the main part of the body was ridiculous? Maybe I should have added one of these? :roll:
Also, I've been a member of this board for over a year. It wouldn't be hard to figure out where to find me from my posts. So, I'm not really hiding. And no, I guess it isn't your "job" to come up with a solution. From your posts it's pretty apparent you'd rather complain about things than try to make them better. Good luck with that! -
"Also, I've been a member of this board for over a year. It wouldn't be hard to figure out where to find me from my posts."
Why would I want to find you? I really don't give a crap where you are. You're the one who accused ME of "hiding." Also, the only thing I "complained" about was your comment. If I had you wrong, my bad. But I don't think I did.
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