walmart continues to contribute to the fall of humanity
walmart is selling these panties for $2.96
supposedly they say "... when you have santa claus" on the back but still.
nasty.
from http://feministing.com/archives/008226.html
supposedly they say "... when you have santa claus" on the back but still.
nasty.
from http://feministing.com/archives/008226.html
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hey thats where i pick up my cheap dates from
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Subject: Re: walmart continues to contribute to the fall of humanity
alafairnadia wrote: walmart is selling these panties for $2.96
supposedly they say "... when you have santa claus" on the back but still.
nasty.
from http://feministing.com/archives/008226.html
i'm wearing a pair right now. -
Geesh. And I for one cannot understand how mothers could let their daughters come out of the house wearing "PORN STAR" t-shirts.
Young girls are really hyper-sexualized nowadays. My god-niece was telling me how common oral sex (girls giving blow jobs, NEVER the other way round) is at parties nowadays. Thankfully, her parents don't let her go to those parties, but even the parties she does manage to get to shock me.
We fell down somewhere. When I was a kid, we wouldn't have done things like that, not only because we were more innocent, but because we were also educated about HIV and STDs, so even if we had the opportunity, we wouldn't have done it for fear of catching something. I've noticed that the younger generation has not gotten that same education and that's probably contributing to their higher rate of STD infection. Protection has become passe. -
I couldn't agree more. My poor sister is suffering through her last year of high school as an outcast b/c she doesn't do the skimpy clothes thing, doesn't drink, or go to to crazy parties and 'hook-up' with random guys. She use to have so many friends and now they won't even talk to her b/c she respects herself. Makes me so mad
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And when I was a kid, such behavior would make you an outcast.
How times have changed. :? -
The backlash against feminism is astonishing - and the images that young women are bombarded with everyday, in every way, is troubling and cancerous.
I wouldn't want to be raising a teen right now in our hyper-sexualized and objectified culture.
Did you ever see the American Apparel billboard on Houston and Mott (?) - it's simply kiddie porn. -
Livetotravel wrote: The backlash against feminism is astonishing - and the images that young women are bombarded with everyday, in every way, is troubling and cancerous.
yeah, it's pretty creepy. basically, the standard of beauty for women is this: in addition to being absurdly thin, you must also look like you a) recently had sex (messy and covered in a sheen of sweat, preferably baring lots of skin), b) would like nothing better than to engage in sex RIGHT NOW (almost undressed, flushed, legs spread if seated), or c) both a & b - requires copious amounts of bronzer. bonus points if you also look like you just smoked a gigantic joint and/or did a giant pile of crystal meth.
I wouldn't want to be raising a teen right now in our hyper-sexualized and objectified culture.
Did you ever see the American Apparel billboard on Houston and Mott (?) - it's simply kiddie porn.
I like to show cleavage (and check it out), wear cute clothes, and have an easy to care for haircut, but jeez louise. your v-neck shouldn't be showing off your damn belly button. -
alafairnadia wrote: your v-neck shouldn't be showing off your damn belly button.
Hear hear! WalMart should put that on a turtleneck.
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sprite wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]your v-neck shouldn't be showing off your damn belly button.
Hear hear! WalMart should put that on a turtleneck.
Yo, you guys are starting to sound like Christian Fundamentalists of Brooklyn...(joking).
Seriously, you can thank Hollywood, MTV, Mgazines, reality TV, commercials and the lack of standards at all levels. When you stop "judging" all behavior and look at "morality" as a vice, this is the society you end up with, with the values we end up with today.
Young women are tuly being turned in to whores faster than they can churn the glass high heels out at Walmart.
Tammy Bruce, former head of NOW in LA, conservative, lesbian, feminist, speaker and writer (what a combo), speaks very accurately about this very thing in her book:The Death of Right and Wrong.
I didn't start this one, but I know that people hate to start these kinds of conversations because of where they lead (at work and on this board), but the removal of morality, and dare I say, "religion" from ALL parts of society, is partially to blame.
I'm NOT a religious person at all, but I do see the corealation between the removal of religion/morality and the slip into the abyss of western culture as we know it today and as shown above. To say there is no relationship, is just truly dishonest.
This is NOT because religion was/is perfect. It obviously has its abuses, problems and faults as outlined here on this board and everywhere else - so that is not my arguement. I'm just saying there are/were some good things about religion that have helped societies manage themselves too, no?
We have a secular society that shuns religion, morality, judgements and any mention of bad behavior....what do you really expect when nothing is ever considered wrong? -
Regretfully this regression has been going on for some time - get a copy of Susan Faludi's "Backlash" written in 1991 - here's a blurb from Publisher's Weekly about the book..."She finds evidence of antifeminist backlash in Hollywood movies, in TV's thirtysomething , in 1980s fashion ads featuring battered models and in the New Right's attack on women's rights. She directs withering commentary at Robert Bly's all-male workshops, Allan Bloom's "prolonged rant" against women and Betty Friedan and Germaine Greer's revisionism. This eloquent, brilliantly argued book should be read by everyone concerned about gender equality."
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Oddly enough, religion is on the upswing in this country, but it just seems to mean that girls feel free to wear belly shirts to church. I don't think religion necessarily equates to morality and frankly, I think we're seeing a divorce right now.
I like my belly shirts and I look hot in them, but there's a TIME and PLACE for that, i.e., not in any place where I'm required to dress respectably, certainly NOT in the dead of winter, and while I maintain my slim figure. If I get porky, those things are gonna go. I also feel comfortable dressing like that when I choose to (which is actually relatively rare) because I'm OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT I'M DOING. I think it's ridiculous for young girls to dress like that because they don't know what they are doing when they dress like that. If I had a teenage daughter, I wouldn't let her out the door dressed like that. If someone in their 20s chooses to dress like that, it's on them.
I'm all for female sexual expression and my own sexual history is rather unconventional, but still... The fact is, young women today have NO concept of themselves as individuals with sexual agency. It's all about getting some guy to like them or peer acceptance, which is totally the WRONG reason to have sex. If you want to have sex because you're horny and the guy's hot, more power to you, but don't have sex because you're afraid the guy won't like you because you won't. And why advertise your sexuality? The one thing I figured out as a young woman is that you're actually sexier if you cover up enough to leave room for imagination. I had an easier time getting boyfriends with my long skirts than my peers in their miniskirts.
Feminism isn't anti-sex, it's anti-sexual objectification, and these young women and girls are too willing to let themselves be objectified.
I think we really need to blame laissez-faire parenting here. It's not like there weren't plenty of messages in society and media that objectified women when I was growing up, but my parents tried to counteract that whichever way they could. And my ma woulda hit the roof if I tried to go to school in a belly shirt. I was taught to value myself as an individual with brains first. Whether or not I was sexy was incidental to my worth as a human being. THAT'S what's missing now.
But I will agree with seven one eighty that morality has been tossed out the window. My ex-fiance thought I was weird because I wouldn't engage in what I take to be unethical behavior and his attitude doesn't seem to be uncommon nowadays. But that's why he's an ex. -
lilbangladesh wrote: Oddly enough, religion is on the upswing in this country, but it just seems to mean that girls feel free to wear belly shirts to church. I don't think religion necessarily equates to morality and frankly, I think we're seeing a divorce right now.
Hey, you sound hot.
I like my belly shirts and I look hot in them, but there's a TIME and PLACE for that, i.e., not in any place where I'm required to dress respectably, certainly NOT in the dead of winter, and while I maintain my slim figure. If I get porky, those things are gonna go. I also feel comfortable dressing like that when I choose to (which is actually relatively rare) because I'm OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT I'M DOING. I think it's ridiculous for young girls to dress like that because they don't know what they are doing when they dress like that. If I had a teenage daughter, I wouldn't let her out the door dressed like that. If someone in their 20s chooses to dress like that, it's on them.
I'm all for female sexual expression and my own sexual history is rather unconventional, but still... The fact is, young women today have NO concept of themselves as individuals with sexual agency. It's all about getting some guy to like them or peer acceptance, which is totally the WRONG reason to have sex. If you want to have sex because you're horny and the guy's hot, more power to you, but don't have sex because you're afraid the guy won't like you because you won't. And why advertise your sexuality? The one thing I figured out as a young woman is that you're actually sexier if you cover up enough to leave room for imagination. I had an easier time getting boyfriends with my long skirts than my peers in their miniskirts.
Feminism isn't anti-sex, it's anti-sexual objectification, and these young women and girls are too willing to let themselves be objectified.
I think we really need to blame laissez-faire parenting here. It's not like there weren't plenty of messages in society and media that objectified women when I was growing up, but my parents tried to counteract that whichever way they could. And my ma woulda hit the roof if I tried to go to school in a belly shirt. I was taught to value myself as an individual with brains first. Whether or not I was sexy was incidental to my worth as a human being. THAT'S what's missing now.
But I will agree with seven one eighty that morality has been tossed out the window. My ex-fiance thought I was weird because I wouldn't engage in what I take to be unethical behavior and his attitude doesn't seem to be uncommon nowadays. But that's why he's an ex.
Please Post an ethical pic in your belly shirt.
Seriously though, it seems that post feminism movement(s) women have actually been objectified MORE not less - and sometimes by their own doing. The freedom typically equates in to not just personal or professional freedom but also sexual freedom , which then translates to the right to act and dress like a ho' - sometimes. At least as it is understood by many.
I think it was Chris Rock who made this great joke about women and the way they dress at clubs sometimes ( very scantily clad and tight) and how upset they get when men cat-call at them or approach them with sexually charged conversation and they reply :
"Hey, Just because I'm wearing this tight outfit, I'm not a 'ho so don't talk to me like that."
He said it's very confusing to men when this happens.
He compared it to him wearing a police uniform on the street and someone asking for his help at a crime scene when they see him in uniform. In the joke his response was:
"Hey, just because I'm wearing this uniform, doesn't mean I'm a policeman and you can ask for help from me."
The punchline was:
"Ladies you have to understand something: It's confusing, you might not be a 'ho, but you're definitely wearing a 'hos uniform"!!
P.S. Can we revamp these women's fashion magazines while we're at it? -
SevenOneEighty, thanks for reminding me of one of Dave Chappelle's funniest bits. I think this is it from his Killing Me Softly special.
"You are out in the bar with your buddies and you see a woman. She looks good, not in that classical way. She's got half her ass hanging out her skirt, titties all mashed together, popping out the top of her turtleneck and shit. You're with you're buddies, you've got a couple drinks in you, and it doesn't come out right. "DAMN, look at them titties!"
The girl says, "Wait a minute! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a whore!" Which is true. Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn't mean they are a certain way. Don't ever forget it.
But ladies, you must understand that that is f*cking confusing! It just is.
Now that would be like me, Dave Chappelle the comedian, walking down the street in a cop uniform.
Somebody might run up on me, saying "Oh, thank God. Officer, help us! Come on. They're over here. Help us!"
"OHH!! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a police officer!"
All right, ladies, fine. You are not a whore. But you are wearing a whore's uniform, I'll tell you that."
And props to you for bringing it up, I've always thought it was relevant to how some young girls and women dress. -
Livetotravel wrote: Did you ever see the American Apparel billboard on Houston and Mott (?)
Oh, there's way more wrong with American Apparel than that. It ain't just the ads...I spent about fifteen minutes Googling them and turned up enough information about the company's CEO and his attitudes on sex in the workplace to convince myself I wasn't ever going to buy anything from them again.
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Yeah, his sexual attitudes are ummm... prehistoric at best.
Anyway, to clarify for confused men, if a woman is dressed in a revealing way (and I do this, too) it DOES signal that she is interested in being hit on and possibly picked up. But that doesn't mean that every pick-up tactic is appropriate. If I go to a bar in a short skirt, I may wish for men to notice me and come talk to me, but that doesn't mean "WHOO!! DAMN!!! YOU LOOKIN' FINE!!! WANNA SUCK MY DICK?" is an appropriate way to talk to me. (This never happened to me; just a hypothetical example). Presumably true ho's would appreciate polite conversation too. It's not that men come and hit on a woman who's dressed provocatively that's the problem, it's HOW they do it!!
I have a short green velvet dress that I used to wear when I ran out of laundry in grad school. The funny thing was, when I wore that to school, no one treated me any differently; they just all thought that I hadn't done my laundry again. (Grad school sucks the sexuality out of anyone, I tell ya.) So it was a bit of a shock when I was talked to disrespectfully by a total stranger when I wore that dress to rehearsal one day. And he was shocked that I called him on it. "Look at how you're dressed!" he said. "I'M OUT OF LAUNDRY!!!" I bellowed. -
SevenOneEighty wrote:
Chris Rock is funny, but . . .
I think it was Chris Rock who made this great joke about women and the way they dress at clubs sometimes ( very scantily clad and tight) and how upset they get when men cat-call at them or approach them with sexually charged conversation and they reply :
"Hey, Just because I'm wearing this tight outfit, I'm not a 'ho so don't talk to me like that."
He said it's very confusing to men when this happens.
He compared it to him wearing a police uniform on the street and someone asking for his help at a crime scene when they see him in uniform. In the joke his response was:
"Hey, just because I'm wearing this uniform, doesn't mean I'm a policeman and you can ask for help from me."
The punchline was:
"Ladies you have to understand something: It's confusing, you might not be a 'ho, but you're definitely wearing a 'hos uniform"!!
Speaking as a former 19-year-old walking around the streets of NYC . . .
young women get cat-called no matter what they are wearing. It's weird. Cat-called in a parka and sweatpants? Yeah, baby!
Just a point of information . . .
The volume and type of unasked-for random sexual attention shifts throughout your life, but it's still there. And I know you already know this - allay'all - but it's about power, not about sex. -
You're right there!! I don't think anyone who catcalls seriously expects to be laid. They do it because it has the ability to intimidate.
Of course, I've had fun turning the tables on people who sexually harass. One time I was walking by a construction site where one of the workers had crafted an exquisitely detailed penis out of clay and stuck it on the sidewalk nearby. A woman would notice it, start, and then start walking very fast to raucous laughter from above. I knocked over the penis, smooshed the clay into the sidewalk sensuously with one foot to cries of dismay above, and then for a finale, I jumped up and down on it before running away as fast as I could.
I've also been sexually harassed at work on occasion, but I've always managed to nip it in the bud. If someone says something inappropriate about my bra size, I'll start cheerfully speculating on the size of his jockstrap. Afterwards, they are VERY careful NEVER to say anything inappropriate to me EVER, because they don't want to hear what might come out of my mouth.
It's hard for people to have power over you if you can't be intimidated.
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Yea,
(BTW: It was actually David Chapelle as caseopele pointed out - thanks)
Cat-calls are definitely as much a part of the fall of civilization as well. No arguments from me there.
But if you do wear a Walmart T-Shirt that DOES say "Pornstar" on it, you can't really be surprised if some jerk says something to you in reference to sex...The shirt is meant to get a reaction. Of course, I'm not advocating sexual harassment, etc. But there are some that will catcall no matter what - and they suck.
But back on topic:
We can usually publicly judge if an outfit is in poor or inappropriate taste or meant to cause a "reaction", per se. If young girls are being encouraged to wear this type of stuff by Walmart or whomever, it's just a sad state of affairs. The Fashion magazines/ culture are also terrible and I think do at least as much damage as cat calls to women's psyches and self-image.
I heard some interesting (bad) stuff about the CEO of American Apparel also. Hard to believe. -
The sexual state of siege women are in is the problem, and the hoochie clothes are just a little symptom, imho. I'm much more concerned with the sexual assault and exploitation of young people (boys and girls) that happens in all cultures and has nothing to do with mode of dress.
The clothes thing is just a distraction as far as I can see.
But yeah, if you have a PornStar tshirt, you are looking for a reaction.
I used to have a tshirt from Swank (one of those supercheesey men's mags from the '70s) that I used to wear to f*ck with people. :twisted:
Which works really well when you're as chronically PC as me . . .
Here's a different look at western clothing decadence
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Yeah, that's a problem on the other end of the scale. Cool movie. I do want to see it.
I would never wear a "PORN STAR" t-shirt. That's just degrading.
Though part of the reason why that shirt is popular is the mainstreaming of pornography. And that's probably why you see those undies that we're speaking about at Walmart, despite the fact that the store is supposedly so Christian. And because pornography is so mainstream (look at the explosion of amateur porn sites, most of them done by people who are doing this stuff for FREE) nowadays, you end up with a slew of men who have trouble even viewing women as human beings.
I'm not anti-porn. I think it can be reasonably healthy in small doses, but it's so ubiquitous now, to the point where non-porn often takes a porn aesthetic, that it's really unhealthy. When I find out that a guy has 40 gigs of porn on his computer, I know two things: He's sad and pathetic and he has trouble viewing women as human beings and won't treat them with respect. I knew a guy like that and he was sad. He even got a job where he had to view porn for yahoo, I think it was. (Porn censor? Anyway, it was an ideal fit for this dim bulb.) He got fired for taking too many wacking-off breaks. And I have yet to hear of a single woman he has EVER treated respectfully.
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