Disgusting new Giuliani ad

Subject: Re: Disgusting new Giuliani ad

eggcream wrote: [quote=queencallipygos][quote=eggcream]Wow, the goverment is going to check up on what books I read? Who gives a s*it.

Okay, what books HAVE you checked out recently? I bet I could find one that someone would have some problem with.

Jesus, you're worried about a minute possibity that someone will check out what you're reading at the library but you have no problem with the slow erosion of your individual rights with some of the examples I mentioned by the nanny goverment. Sad.

Nice try at deflecting my question instead of answering it.

But to turn around your question -- if you're already so annoyed that the government has turned "Nanny" on you, then why are you supporting them imposing even more control on the public?? Are you saying that the only response to government control is...to add even more government control?

quijibo wrote: yes. the "war on a noun" is a neo-con invention with no end.

Like the War on Poverty? LBJ, that crazy neo-con.

The ad is truly appalling.

BBC video documentary: The Power of Nightmares, where Adam Curtis
argues that the neo-con is borne from failed liberal dreams such as
LBJ's great society



3 part series. well worth watching

Did anyone read the article on Guiliani in the NYT today - ouch!

stacey wrote: Did anyone read the article on Guiliani in the NYT today - ouch!

i h8 the NYT but that editorial was spot on
"we're endorsing mccain not because of mccain
but because giuliani is such a hateful piece of shit"

i laughed out loud

eggcream wrote: [quote=quijibo]BBC video documentary: The Power of Nightmares, where Adam Curtis
argues that the neo-con is borne from failed liberal dreams such as
LBJ's great society



3 part series. well worth watching

Right, you mean the liberal dream of trillions of tax dollars gone to "help" poverty..welfare, food stamps, public housing.... Cradle to grave, the liberal motto.

"Continued dependence" upon welfare, said FDR, "induces a spiritual disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole our relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit."

...You DO know that FDR instigated dozens of public assistance programs during his administration, right?

I would say that it is not welfare itself that causes intergenerational trapping, but how it is administered. In this country, welfare recipients are treated punitively, almost like criminals for being on welfare, and they are often given impossible requirements which keep them from acquiring education or an actual paying job, and they are cut off for the slightest infractions.

There are stories of welfare recipients who were forced to give up schooling to meet workfare requirements, schooling that would have enabled them to get a paying job and OFF welfare. Workfare, for the most part, does not teach job skills or anything useful, and is almost slavery. Also, I know of a story where a woman took her welfare benefits, and through dint of hard work and careful saving (she made clothes for her kids rather than buy them; she squeezed a dollar till it screamed) managed to save about $3000, where she was then threatened with jail for fraud. What she learned was that she had to spend every dollar she was given. Which kinda defeats the anti-poverty purpose when you have to save to build wealth. She was trying to work herself off of welfare and got threatened with jail.

And I watched while my best friend and his wife tried to work themselves off welfare. It really isn't easy, but they managed to do it.

And also, let's put the welfare leads to intergenerational poverty myth to bed. Multigenerational welfare families are rare, though they get the most press. Most people who've had to rely on welfare stayed on welfare for an average of two years.

Thank God. The Giuliani era is over.

Remember those caricatures of Giuliani drawn as Hitler? I thought that was a bit extreme. Now *Mussolini* I could understand!

Good riddance!