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anonymous · April 2005

just windering where ph ends and ch begins

dailyheights · April 2005

Depends.

Narrow definition: Are you reporting a violent crime? Then PH ends at Washington Ave.

Broad definition: Are you with an organization that thinks it has a stake in the Atlantic Yards project? Then PH ends at the block just beyond where your constituency lives.

Incredibly broad definition: Are you are a real estate agent? Then PH ends somewhere around JFK.

anonymous · April 2005

all to true tx

anonymous · April 2005

Had an argument with a real estate agent about this very topic last night...I would draw the boundary at the Franklin Ave Shuttle. The new developments on Classon are definitely Prospect Heights. But I think residents of Franklin and Bedford would definitely say they lived in Crown Heights.

Also, there are 2 major parts of Crown Heights, that, no matter how far boundaries shift, will always be Crown Heights. Crown Heights South is the Lubavitcher area: Eastern Parkway to Empire, New York Ave to Utica. Crown Heights North is the Brower Park area: Nostrand to Kingston, Dean to Sterling. Of course, the areas around them qualify too, but that is where boundaries and designations get flexible.

If I were a real estate developer, I would start looking at the area between the Gardens, Empire, Bedford, and Eastern Parkway: a few large empty lots or former factories dying for new construction or loft conversions, lots of good 6 story 50 unit rentals just waiting to get co-oped or condoed. And I would call it Ebbets Slope or Ebbets Gardens...ah, well, dreams....

sje · April 2005

Atlantic to Flatbush, Washington to the triangle of land just below 6th Avenue. Anything past Washington, including Classon, is CROWN HEIGHTS. And what's so wrong with that? Why bother to try to shift bounderies?

anonymous · April 2005

Why try to shift boundaries?

To jack up rents. It's the same people who call anything next to Greenwood Cemetary or on 3rd Ave "park slope".

sje · April 2005

No, I know that, but why not just say "A beautiful house in Crown Heights"? The majority of architecture styles is actually way more interesting than PH's. I like watching "South Slope" eat up Sunset Park into oblivion. Soon South Park Slope will be right next to Bay Ridge.

easternpkwy · April 2005

I think there are core neighborhoods with a commercial strip at their heart, residential blocks around the commercial strip, and a major roadway (Atlantic Ave, eg), park, or even an industrial zone that marks the outward boundary. Some of these boundaries are flexible (like the PH/CH line), some aren't: like the PH/FG border: Atlantic Ave ain't moving.

I agree that the shuttle makes a good flexible border.

amyg · April 2005

Subject: ph vs ch?

it's not that unusual for the boundaries of neighborhoods to change. At one time the entire East Village was referred to as the Lower East Side. i'm all for moving the boundary of PH to Franklin. Sorry if that's an insult to those in "PH Proper" but please, people, what is the big deal here? The neighborhood is extending naturally because it's changing and that's not so terrible. Let's just rejoice in our growing, diverse community.

Also, I have a prospectus/offering plan on my building that was written in the 1950s which refers to the neighborhood as prospect heights, even though I am on the other side of washington. It was written by city inspectors, NOT realtors.

anonymous · April 2005

I used to place the border at Bedford, but have since amended that to Franklin. I know that longtime neighborhood residents usually put it at Washington.

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