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Park Slope Credit Card/Bank Card Fraud! — Brooklynian

Park Slope Credit Card/Bank Card Fraud!

rockergirl77
edited November -1 in Park Slope
There is a write-up on The Gowanus Lounge about recent credit card fraud around the Park Slope area, and apparently there are a zillion (or dozens?) of people on the parkslopeparents.com message board discussing it, but I couldn't find anyone really talking about it on here. I'm not a parent, and I'm not signing up for that board just to discuss this, so after a year of reading this board, I finally started my own account.

Anyway, thanks to Gowanus Lounge for brining it to my attention, I checked my account today and sure enough I got hit with the fraud too! I didn't really notice the missing money because I had so much going in and out around X-mas. Guess I should pay closer attention to my account.

Mine was $182 charged to a Marshalls in CT (I've never even been to CT) on 12/31 but apparently most people on the parkslopeparents board are noticing charges to gas stations, Wal Marts, and Targets in places like MI and Florida.

I called my bank and stopped my account and am having a new card sent, but the Chase phone operator said that an actual card was swiped for this charge, which means this is more than just someone stealing my card number and using it online or something.

Apparently the people on the other message board have compared PS businesses they have used their cards at and narrowed it down to a few places. Its a shame we can't read any of those posts, so here is one of our own.

Anyone else hit with this? I didn't know I was until this morning. Check your accounts!
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  • so what businesses have they narrowed it down to? where do you think it happened to you?

    just read some good advice on a similar thread over on PH, about id theft, not extra charges
    http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=40084
    jayce wrote: A better bet than a Fraud Alert, if you can swing it, is to put a full Credit Freeze on your account. It doesn't affect your credit score but will cause all other attempts at soliciting your credit at all to be rejected. So its a little more secure than just an alert which still allows your score to be sent to people, which may still allow an identity thief some time to open new accounts. Only you can lift the freeze too, so it doesn't expire. And it allows you to pull your own credit score, which is good. And it allows people you currently do business with to access it, but no one new. So now you have to worry only about things that don't require credit to open them. Like wireless accounts (some of the time). This is also an interesting point. A clear trend in true identity theft starts first with a wireless purchase-- usually purchasing phones but sometimes setting up a wireless account. It's a quick hit win that can churn fast results and it is not abnormal for one address to have many many accounts... think buying a phone for each of your family members. The Freeze would be better here than a Fraud Alert. But when you pull your account make sure you know the wireless accounts on it.

    Second step is to pull that score. It will include on it all the addresses and phone numbers currently associated with your ID. Check that as well because that may include the address of the person (or more likely the proxy of the person) who has stolen your identity. Its a good lead and you will also want to make sure to have this information removed.

    Third, make sure that the police department completes not just a police report, but what they call an Identity Theft Report. This is key because it contains more detail than a usual police report. The details incorporate the FTC's Identity Theft Complaint form, which is important when you have to give that report to the Credit Bureaus. They actually have the "right" to reject the complaint of identity theft for lack of sufficient detail and give you 2 weeks to get them the information in return. Better to do it right the first time. Best way to do this is to fill out, print and submit the form on the FTC's website (http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/cmplanding.shtm) and then ask the police to incorporate this into their report, thereby making sure you have all the bases covered.

    This may also be of help to you
    http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/idtheft/idt04.shtm

    I am not sure if this will make you feel better or maybe make other people feel worse... but New York is the top state each year for identity theft. Break it down a little further to zip codes and the two places that emerge as leaders of the pack... zip codes beginning with 100__ followed by 112__. Bright side, about 85% of that is fabricated identities used for fraud (called synthetic identity theft). Only 15% is what we call "true identity theft."

    I work the corporate side of data and identity theft, not the consumer, but if I can help, let me know. Good luck.
  • pitu wrote: so what businesses have they narrowed it down to? where do you think it happened to you?
    I have no idea. I only go to a handfull of places. Apparently there is one restaurant, one grocery store, and one other place in common but I can't read any of the threads because I'm not a parkslopeparents.com member. :?

    There are a lot of places locally that I get take-out from that I give the number to over the phone, but I think in order to actually make a fake card (as they did) it has to physically be swiped somewhere so I guess that narrows it down a little?

    I'm going to start dealing in cash for a while I guess.

    I think some of the other people are meeting with the local police at some point. I'd like to be a part of that. I'm frustrated that this is all happening on a board which is just for parents and I can't read it.
    I am going to check out the link above to the other BBS and see if I can find anything there. I didn't think to search the whole system, I just searched the PS board.

    Sigh.
  • I see PSP is not posting names of particular biz
    here's the Gowanus Lounge update
    http://gowanuslounge.blogspot.com/2008/01/park-slope-credit-card-fraud-report.html#links
  • PSP redacted the business names. For similar reasons to the whole Stone Park stuff here.
  • Daver,
    Thanks for the link to the other BBS. Thats not the same situation though. There is a bunch about it on http://gowanuslounge.blogspot.com/, just scroll down for 2 different articles.

    Someone is specifically taking local credit card numbers (mine was a bank card - same thing) and making duplicate cards and using them in other states. It's not my identity - just specifially tied to this one bank account of mine via this one card.
  • I can understand them taking the names down. I'm reluctant to say any names on here for the same reason. Maybe anyone else involved should send a private e-mail and we could figure it out?

    I'm just wondering, if those people on that board noticed, and I looked at my account and noticed because of that GL article about the other board, how many people have this happened to who aren't connected to these boards or even online for that matter?

    This could be much more widespread than it seems. Has anyone on here had it happen, and if so where and for how much? Mine is at a Marshalls store in CT for $182 on New Years Eve, though I assume the card info was probably stolen way before that in order for them to make copies of it and distribute it.
  • I'd think it'd be pretty hard to pinpoint this sort of fraud. And naming businesses becomes hysteria and detrimental to those businesses who could be doing nothing wrong. Our numbers float around all over the place. In our mail and garbage, at tons of stores, online, all over the place. I don't understand why you can't say Stone Park has bad service online but I think spreading names of stores that *may* be at fault is a bit irresponsible.
  • RockerGirl77 wrote: Daver,
    Thanks for the link to the other BBS. Thats not the same situation though.
    Yah, it is something for you to be aware of and looking out for, though. Hopefully the fraudulent charges will be the end of it, but...
  • I am a member of the PSP boards and yes, there are at least a dozen or more people saying they were hit by some sort of fraud in the month of December. The moderators of the board just put up a post saying that they have been getting some posts that list actual merchant names that are in common, but are not allowing those posts to go up (for obvious reasons).

    It seems the majority of the people hit had Citibank credit cards. there was one person with an AMEX and a couple of people with bank debit cards who were hit also. They also seemed to be mostly Visa cards as opposed to Mastercard. Most of the charges seem to have occurred in Florida and Texas, though, there was just one listed for California.

    RockerGirl-was this your bank debit card hit where they got actual cash or was it a credit card with you?
  • Innocent X wrote: I'd think it'd be pretty hard to pinpoint this sort of fraud. And naming businesses becomes hysteria and detrimental to those businesses who could be doing nothing wrong. Our numbers float around all over the place. In our mail and garbage, at tons of stores, online, all over the place. I don't understand why you can't say Stone Park has bad service online but I think spreading names of stores that *may* be at fault is a bit irresponsible.
    I agree and no one is naming names. Also, I do not have bank statements mailed - all of my banking is online. I also don't purchase things online. I barely make any money and what I do have is for the most part, used specifically within a few blocks of where I live and work, via my bank card, so I have rules out someone tampering with my mail or taking my CC# from a website.

    I agree this is widespread and common, but do we not think it is a little "strange" that all the sudden many people who live in the same area are having the exact same problem with the exact same fraudulent charges?

    I didn't start this post to name names and call businesses out, I started it so that we could identify who is having the problem and figure out a way for those people specifically to contact the police, etc. I could just contact them myself, but I simply think this is done better in a group and if 100 other people are having the same problem with fraudulent charges, I'd like to know.
  • Innocent X wrote: I'd think it'd be pretty hard to pinpoint this sort of fraud. And naming businesses becomes hysteria and detrimental to those businesses who could be doing nothing wrong. Our numbers float around all over the place. In our mail and garbage, at tons of stores, online, all over the place. I don't understand why you can't say Stone Park has bad service online but I think spreading names of stores that *may* be at fault is a bit irresponsible.
    You can say Stone Park has bad service online. The two situations are really different. I think you're right that allegations of fraud involving a list of specific business when you aren't certain which if any of those businesses was involved is dangerous. On the other hand, telling people about what you directly experienced at a specific business (such as what occurred at SP) should be allowed.
  • Mine is a Chase card - its a bank card drawn to my account, but with a Visa symbol, so its essentially a glorified ATM card that I swipe like a Visa. I only have one card and have always had it in my posession with the obvious exception of giving it to servers at restaurants.

    The person who did this on my account had an identical copy of my card made and swiped it and signed for it in CT. Very odd.
  • If you really do only use your card in that small circle, maybe you should investigate some, compare notes.
  • OK, just to make sure everyone is clear - DO NOT NAME BUSINESS NAMES ON HERE. That is not what I started this thread for.

    I would just like to know who else this has happened to, and for how much, etc. Also, if someone has contacted the police or something, this would be a great public forum to post the officer assigned to the case so everyone would know who to call.

    This is just a thread to discuss what to do now as a community, not to name any names or place blame on any local businesses! It was frustrating that I couldnt read the PSP board and I have no idea how many people this has happened to or what is going on with it.
  • You can request a join to PSP.
  • Innocent X wrote: You can request a join to PSP.
    I did, even though I'm not a parent, but I got an e-mail asking the names and ages of my children, etc. To be quite honest, I have no interest in filling out a questionaire to join a parent's group when I am not a parent, just to discuss this one issue in my community. Especially since the issue is not specifically linked to parents and involves the whole area.
    I've been reading this board for over a year and thought this would be a good place to post what seems to be a community issue. If you guys don't agree with this being an appropriate forum, please feel free to remove my thread.
  • RockerGirl77 wrote: [quote=Innocent X]You can request a join to PSP.
    I did, even though I'm not a parent, but I got an e-mail asking the names and ages of my children, etc. To be quite honest, I have no interest in filling out a questionaire to join a parent's group when I am not a parent, just to discuss this one issue in my community. Especially since the issue is not specifically linked to parents and involves the whole area.
    I've been reading this board for over a year and thought this would be a good place to post what seems to be a community issue. If you guys don't agree with this being an appropriate forum, please feel free to remove my thread.

    not that that would yield more specifics, since PSP is rightly not spreading names.
    this is a perfectly good venue to discuss this issue in general, and contact people by PM if there's any particular places you want to discuss without inadvertantly and wrongly defaming them
    Gowanus Lounge wrote: UPDATE: Park Slope Parents says that it is rejecting posts that mention the names of merchants that have come up in common in emails. "As has been pointed out these thefts may or may not involve the merchants and we we feel it would be irresponsible for us to allow public speculation that might damage the reputations of perfectly innocent members of our community." They say they have been in touch with the 78th Precinct and will be meeting with an officer that handles credit card fraud complaints tomorrow. "In the meantime we will continue to reject posts that go into the specifics of local merchants," they say. There is certainly a possibility that the fraud is occurring at a store outside of Park Slope or within the credit card processing operations themselves.
  • pitu wrote: not that that would yield more specifics, since PSP is rightly not spreading names.
    this is a perfectly good venue to discuss this issue in general, and contact people by PM if there's any particular places you want to discuss without inadvertantly and wrongly defaming them.
    Thank you, Pitu.
    I'm sorry if I seem agressive. I'm pretty upset about this whole thing.

    If this has happened to anyone on here (not in general but in this specific latest incident in the past few months in PS), or anyone knows of an officer who has been assigned to this case, or anyone has an update from the PSP board, please post on here.
  • Subject: We were hit too

    My husband was hit by this on a Chase Visa that's a United Airlines points card. It was used at a Walmart and a Shell station in California, and it was recent enough that he hadn't received the bill yet--Chase's fraud department called him about it. I don't know the amount.

    Makes my resolution to go cash-only in 2008 look better and better....
  • Subject: Does someone have a contact name at the 78th precinct?

    Would like to have my husband call and contribute names of businesses where he's used the card that was counterfeited. Does anyone have the name of whom at the precinct he should talk to? Thanks.
  • Subject: Re: We were hit too

    Mrs. H. wrote: My husband was hit by this on a Chase Visa that's a United Airlines points card. It was used at a Walmart and a Shell station in California, and it was recent enough that he hadn't received the bill yet--Chase's fraud department called him about it. I don't know the amount.

    Makes my resolution to go cash-only in 2008 look better and better....
    I didn't have my statement yet either - I just checked on my account online on a whim because of the Gowanus Lounge article, and there it was! Mine seems a little different than many of the others, as so far I think I have the only one in CT and also the only one at a Marshalls. I wish Chase had called me, but I am glad I caught it when I did.

    I don't have statements mailed to me, so its easy to just forget about my account and not log online to check it for months at a time. Lesson learned!
  • RockerGirl77 wrote: OK, just to make sure everyone is clear - DO NOT NAME BUSINESS NAMES ON HERE. That is not what I started this thread for.

    I would just like to know who else this has happened to, and for how much, etc. Also, if someone has contacted the police or something, this would be a great public forum to post the officer assigned to the case so everyone would know who to call.

    This is just a thread to discuss what to do now as a community, not to name any names or place blame on any local businesses! It was frustrating that I couldnt read the PSP board and I have no idea how many people this has happened to or what is going on with it.
    Did you read my post? I provided some information there. And, no, they are not going to allow you to join the park Slope parents board if you are not a parent-so, applying to get in will not help.
  • LongTimeSloper wrote: Did you read my post? I provided some information there. And, no, they are not going to allow you to join the park Slope parents board if you are not a parent-so, applying to get in will not help.
    Not even if I just want to let them know about the boy's hat that I found? :twisted:
  • LongTimeSloper wrote: Did you read my post? I provided some information there. And, no, they are not going to allow you to join the park Slope parents board if you are not a parent-so, applying to get in will not help.
    Yeah, thank you so much for the info! Hopefully in the end everyone who is involved on the 2 message boardscan get on the same page (not in a literal sense) with filing a police report or something.

    Ah Internetz, you are fun.
  • RockerGirl77 wrote: [quote=LongTimeSloper]Did you read my post? I provided some information there. And, no, they are not going to allow you to join the park Slope parents board if you are not a parent-so, applying to get in will not help.
    Yeah, thank you so much for the info! Hopefully in the end everyone who is involved on the 2 message boardscan get on the same page (not in a literal sense) with filing a police report or something.


    but fer pete's sake, file your own bank/credit/police reports, and coordinate and seek information with your internet afterwards
  • pitu wrote: but fer pete's sake, file your own bank/credit/police reports, and coordinate and seek information with your internet afterwards
    I already did all of that this morning right when I found out, except the police part, which I am going to do this afternoon. But I figured it would be helpful if someone already knew of someone assigned to the case in general. I guess they'll tell me when I call. I would like to know a genral number of the amount of people currently having this same issue in my area.
  • FYI for Park Slope people with the credit card fraud issue, I called the 78th precinct and she said most definitely come in and file a report. The number if you need it is: (718) 636-6411 and the station is located at 65 6th Ave. (6th Ave & Bergen).

    Also, people have mentioned elsewhere that often these scams run underground for a while before they surface and that the theft of the card number may have happened a while back. Unless my charges are unrelated to everyone else's (who's just happen to be on and around the same day), I just moved to PS in August and had been out of the state for the 6 months before that, so I can at least say mine was stolen after August.
  • Just dropping in to say the same thing has happened to me (and also to my partner) with the Citibank credit cards in the last two months.
  • Just asking on a whim because I know Citibank has been leading the way on this...

    how many of the people that this has happened to have that "paypass" option where you can just walk up and tap it to a point of sale terminal?
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