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NYT article: "Crown Heights Gets Its Turn" - Page 2 — Brooklynian

NYT article: "Crown Heights Gets Its Turn"

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  • Does Trulia or Streeteasy have those figures?
  • They might. My sense is that they focus on built properties.

    ...needless to say, the stats I want would have problems because you can't really compare a 2000 sq ft lot to a 20,000 sq ft one on a price per sq ft basis.

    Basically, I just regret not buying a single story parking garage in 1996 and seem to have some desire to see how much salt I can rub in the wound.
  • This just in from "The Insider's Guide to New York Real Estate"...

    9 THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW — BUT WANT TO — ABOUT CROWN HEIGHTS
    http://brickunderground.com/blog/2014/06/crown_heights_neighborhood_secrets

    Apparently one of those is a very mistaken sense of boundaries:

    "Neighborhood boundaries: Utica and Classon Avenues, Empire Boulevard and East New York Avenue."

    Ha.
  • The article left out the northern boundary. *headdesk*
  • I didn't notice.

    I got distracted by the woman in the sparkly outfit.
  • southeast
    edited July 2014
    "6. Locals enjoy the parade their own way: "Get out of the neighborhood during the West Indies Day Parade. Just do it. Go stay with a friend, plan a trip, spend the day at a museum. It's a crazy 'parade' where tensions run high, music is blasting, and people are reckless." -Nicolas "My building piles onto the stoop to watch the West Indies parade. It’s beautiful, but it’s also crazy loud and you can’t really go anywhere. So either commit to watching it or head out of Brooklyn for the day." - Benny "You get to watch the entire neighborhood working on their costumes for months beforehand, the children’s parade is adorable, the music is LOUD and day of the parade the entire neighborhood smells amazing. But it can also be very dangerous. That’s not to say you should hide away—just be smart about it." - Hanna"

    Anyone have thoughts on whether the parade will be around forever?  Apparently, it started in Harlem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Day_Carnival).  I, for one, would not be sad if it moved on to another location.
  • This article partially answers my question about land prices above:
     
    "as development heats up in the neighborhood, so do land prices, which have vaulted from around $100 per buildable foot in 2012 to more than $200 in 2014, according to Brooklyn-based brokerage TerraCRG."

    http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/07/16/crown-heights-multifamily-portfolio-trades-for-25m/
  • mugofmead111
    edited July 2014
    "6. Locals enjoy the parade their own way: "Get out of the neighborhood during the West Indies Day Parade. Just do it. Go stay with a friend, plan a trip, spend the day at a museum. It's a crazy 'parade' where tensions run high, music is blasting, and people are reckless." -Nicolas "My building piles onto the stoop to watch the West Indies parade. It’s beautiful, but it’s also crazy loud and you can’t really go anywhere. So either commit to watching it or head out of Brooklyn for the day." - Benny "You get to watch the entire neighborhood working on their costumes for months beforehand, the children’s parade is adorable, the music is LOUD and day of the parade the entire neighborhood smells amazing. But it can also be very dangerous. That’s not to say you should hide away—just be smart about it." - Hanna"

    Anyone have thoughts on whether the parade will be around forever?  Apparently, it started in Harlem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Day_Carnival).  I, for one, would not be sad if it moved on to another location.
    Maybe the parade should be moved to Flatbush Avenue, like between Church Avenue and Empire Boulevard? :) 

    If it gets moved elsewhere, that'd certainly be a big news story.

    I have accepted the parade as a part of life in the neighborhood. Then again, I grew up here, so I know that even if I don't attend the actual parade, I can't completely ignore it; I can hear and see floats as they pass through.
  • BryceTC
    edited July 2014
    I don't want it to move at all. It'd be disappointing if it did because there is no other area that is as accessible by train, very wide, and with a significant West Indian population. There would be enormous backlash from the community if they even thought about moving the Labor Day parade.

    I think it's slightly insensitive to say you wouldn't be mad if it moved. Other than that parade, there really is no representation of Caribbean culture throughout the city. Sure there are small enclaves of West Indians, but many of them are getting priced out their neighborhoods anyway.
  • southeast
    edited July 2014
    I don't want it to move at all. It'd be disappointing if it did because there is no other area that is as accessible by train, very wide, and with a significant West Indian population. There would be enormous backlash from the community if they even thought about moving the Labor Day parade.

    I think it's slightly insensitive to say you wouldn't be mad if it moved. Other than that parade, there really is no representation of Caribbean culture throughout the city. Sure there are small enclaves of West Indians, but many of them are getting priced out their neighborhoods anyway.

    @BryceTC You mention significant West Indian population, but that is changing... You also mention that "other than that parade, there really is not representation of Caribbean culture throughout the city."  The parade will still be in the City, just not on Eastern Parkway.

    It moved once; why can't it move again...

    Utica is accessible by train.  Maybe the parade route should change to go east on EP from Utica.  Flatbush Ave, which @mugofmead111suggested, is accessible by train as well.

    I've lived here all my life, and although it's gotten far better than it has been in the past and I've kinda gotten used to it, one can't ignore it, to say the least, even if you are blocks away from the parade route.

    Side note: EP west of Utica hasn't been the center of the West Indian population for quite a while now, if it ever was.
  • I don't want it to move at all. It'd be disappointing if it did because there is no other area that is as accessible by train, very wide, and with a significant West Indian population. There would be enormous backlash from the community if they even thought about moving the Labor Day parade.

    I think it's slightly insensitive to say you wouldn't be mad if it moved. Other than that parade, there really is no representation of Caribbean culture throughout the city. Sure there are small enclaves of West Indians, but many of them are getting priced out their neighborhoods anyway.

    @BryceTC You mention significant West Indian population, but that is changing... You also mention that "other than that parade, there really is not representation of Caribbean culture throughout the city."  The parade will still be in the City, just not on Eastern Parkway.

    It moved once; why can't it move again...

    Utica is accessible by train.  Maybe the parade route should change to go east on EP from Utica.  Flatbush Ave, which @mugofmead111suggested, is accessible by train as well.

    I've lived here all my life, and although it's gotten far better than it has been in the past and I've kinda gotten used to it, one can't ignore it, to say the least, even if you are blocks away from the parade route.

    Side note: EP west of Utica hasn't been the center of the West Indian population for quite a while now, if it ever was.

    Because a significant portion of the West Indian population of Brooklyn still lives in Crown Heights, just east of Nostrand Avenue. Even people that aren't West Indian come out to view the parade towards the end by the museum and library. It's a cultural experience that isn't limited to the people that are of that culture. That's why many enjoy it. 

    Additionally, this can be related to the often discussed topic of Brooklyn losing much of its embedded culture. What's next, when people move East we just push it past Utica and even further? 

    Utica cannot handle the amount of traffic that EP can. You have lived here long enough to see that even 4 laned Eastern Parkway gets packed to capacity. It's simply not feasible to move it to another street. You shouldn't try to ignore the parade, but rather embrace it. It helps people make a little extra cash and such from opening little food tents and such too.
  • southeast
    edited July 2014
    @BryceTC You have some valid points.  However, as we see with other parades, parades are not necessarily located in the location where the the related population lives (assuming that is indeed the case in CH).  Maybe it should be in Manhattan. Manhattan has big enough streets, accessible by public transportation, and shouldn't inconvenience many people as 1) it is on a legal holiday so less people at work and 2) not a residential neighborhood so, for the most part, won't inconvenience those who must be in the vicinity but don't want to join.  Manhattan is also the location of many other parades celebrating various cultures.

    The loss of culture in CH doesn't really bother me.  If you want to save a memory or a piece of the past, build a museum.  A neighborhood evolves with its current occupants.  This is particularly evidenced, in my mind, by the buildings built to be used as synagogues which were converted to churches and which are now being converted to condos; the buildings are evolving along with the needs/interests of its neighbors.
  • mugofmead111
    edited July 2014
    Utica is accessible by train.  Maybe the parade route should change to go east on EP from Utica.  Flatbush Ave, which @mugofmead111suggested, is accessible by train as well.



    Side note: EP west of Utica hasn't been the center of the West Indian population for quite a while now, if it ever was.
    Utica is accessible by train only where a train line perpendicularly intersects with it (i.e. the A and the C on Fulton and the 3 and the 4 on Eastern Parkway only).  There are some more transit options along Eastern Parkway (the Franklin Avenue Shuttle, the 2, 3, 4, 5 and the B and the Q would be a 10-15 minute walk away from either Prospect Park or 7th Avenue).

    At least the stretch of Flatbush used in my example would roughly parallel the Brighton line. Closing down that part of Flatbush though may cause more traffic havoc than shutting down part of Eastern Parkway.

    I don't see why this carnival has to be moved into Manhattan. There are local St. Patrick's Day parades, a parade to celebrate the Chinese New Year, and a LGBT pride parade held in Brooklyn in addition to the main ones that take place in Manhattan. 
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