New Building Owners Raising Rent in Crown Heights
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its still super cheap in my parts of brooklyn and other parts of queens.
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Yes, and because of that, NYC will remain a diverse city.
But individual neighborhoods will certainly change, as might the entire city.
Lots of folks will leave NYC (or their neighborhood) in pursuit of a future it won't allow them.
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Thank you everyone for your advice & help with this matter. We have contacted the DCHR in regards to finding the rent history of our unit. Hopefully, we'll find something to work with. It does seem like the new managment is trying to hike up the rent to displace tenants.
We've grown fond of Crown Heights (not just Franklin Ave) so we're definitely be staying in the area. And hopefully I'll post more

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The same thing just happened to me. I went to DHCR in person, talked to someone, got my rent history, etc.. If you have a preferential lease, the landlord can go up to the full legal rent any time at lease renewal. My rent went up 500/month for the 2 year option and that's just the end of the story whether or not I uncover any kind of fraud in an investigation.. if they've put the legal as well as preferential rent on your leases over the years, then that's what they can legally do. I knew this day would come eventually I guess.. the woman at DHCR said very few people still have preferential rents because once they prices go up, they really jump and most people just move. 7 tenants in my rather small building moved out this month and all but 2 left the city completely.
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I have a feeling this is going to happen to me next year. I just renewed for another year and the renewal contact is fully executed, but now they are now trying to raise my rent futher for the renewal and sent me a second lease with a higher rent and a note saying use this lease instead. My legal rent is almost 3k, ugh.
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We are passing on the information we've obtained here & at Brooklyn Borough Rent Office (55 Hanson Place, Room 702) to some of our older tenants the old-fashioned way.
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Ptdlugos wrote:
It does seem like the new managment is trying to hike up the rent to displace tenants.
Not to be coy, but their ideal situation may be that the present tenants stay and simply pay the HCR max legal rents. This would prevent them from having to incur a lost month of revenue while the unit is between tenants.
But, yes, they are likely aware that this hike will cause many units to become vacant (or, in the language of some: "people to be displaced"). While vacant, LLs will do any repairs and upgrades they believe are needed to fill it at the Max Legal rent.
For better or worse, who gets to stay in rapidly changing Western CH is determined almost exclusively by who is willing and able to pay the increasing rents....
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To those who are faced with similar issues, there's FREE LEGAL CONSULTATION offered tomorrow, July 6th, at 1pm in Brower Park.
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Information I received from Trisha ([email protected]) from Housing Working Group:
"If you can, come out to Brower Park this Saturday - A group called the Crown Heights Assembly is having their monthly rally. There will be a free legal clinic for folks facing housing issues and there will be other folks there who have been facing similar issues in their buildings, have gotten organized and won. When you get to the park, connect with the legal clinic folks first, then ask for Joel or Nicole. They should be able to share more information with you about how they worked with others in their building and in the neighborhood to address issues like the ones you all have mentioned."
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Groups similar to CHA always seem to pop up in rapidly changing areas, such as the Upper Westside, Harlem, the Lower Eastside, Park Slope and Williamsburg.
They often mean well, and are often able to find instances in which landlords have violated laws or procedures, which then results in the tenant being able to stay, or in them receiving a larger buyout than they otherwise would have.
These are clearly good outcomes for the tenant.
In the long run, however, the groups always seem to fail at their stated "ultimate goal": Achieving a neighborhood in which there is a diverse, sustainable array of housing stock.
Slowly, but surely, the tenants the groups champion move out for a variety of reasons, and are replaced by tenants and owners the groups have less sympathy for.
Slowly but surely, the LLs they demonize are able to fill their buildings with tenants whom will provide them with greater profit margins.
If you look closely, you can still see the "Die Yuppie Scum", "Go home hipsters", "Go to Hell Landlords" and the like. Such things are carved in the concrete soon after it is poured, and then last for decades, long after the organizers have faded away.
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The Pratt Area Community Council has been around for a while. They have legal clinics too (by appointment).
If all else fails, they also have leads on affordable housing.
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Yes, unless one has the means to buy or rent in the open market, the trick to stability in a rapidly changing city/neighborhood is often to get in on one of the city-supervised lotteries for rental or homeownership opportunities.
There are all sorts of restrictions, and supply is very limited, and they are often in less than prime neighborhoods ....but they have provided a way for a portion of NYers to remain in the city that would otherwise have to move:
Rentals: http://www.nyc.gov/html/hpd/html/apartment/lotteries.shtml
First time homebuyers: http://www.nyc.gov/html/hpd/html/buyers/lotteries.shtml
Yes, PACC is a solidly run org, as are all the orgs linked in the nyu.edu mega link. The ones which fail to grow and thrive, tend to focus on macro goals: racial justice, consensus based decision making, wealth redistribution, etc.
While such goals are laudable, they tend to over shadow the "here and now, immediate, practical and measurable goals and needs" of the tenants who live in our present, very imperfect "power and money based" world.
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Lower-resource tenants definitely need help in changing areas, so that their lives aren't ruined by the waves of money coming through. But in the long run, now that many American cities are becoming appealing places to live for the broad swathes of the population, and population pressures unseen since the 40s (but without unbuilt farm fields just down the new highway), we need to change the zoning codes so it is easier to build more housing units near to mass transit. In Chicago, or even Hasidic Williamsburg, housing costs are far lower because more new construction is allowed, and thus supply is better able to keep up with demand.
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LITERALLY, the exact same thing happened to us last summer. We were to with preferred rent, but rather stabilized. The landlord refused to respond to phone calls, emails, or certified letters asking for our new lease (even though it was his responsibility to do that) until one day, BOOM, new management company asking $600 more in rent. We fought it because it was not allowed, as a stabilized increase, to be that high. We went up the allowed amount after threatening legal action. Of course, if you are saying you weren't stabilized, but rather had a discounted rent, it may not help.
Good luck with this. We ended up moving out and buying a place.
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If you look around at the buildings being renovated, sometimes you can literally see that there are a few tenants who are able to hold out.
Note: They are far and few between.
For example, if you stand on the street, you can see that two (2) apartments in the building located above the former bodega at Underhill and Sterling are occupied by long term tenants All of the other apartments are getting new windows, electrical, plumbing and kitchens.
Likewise, you can see a few long term tenants remaining in the building being gut rehabbed at Prospect Place and Classon. All the other units are being upgraded.
Note: Most apartment buildings in the area that you see being gutted are vacant. This is because the more apartments that rent for their full market value, the better off the landlord is.
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Needless to say, the escalating rental prices are in part due to the escalating prices for home buyers.
For example, this article profiles some people who would like to buy a home, but presently can not:
In a macro demographic way, these folks are among the people who are willing (and able) to pay the full legal rent for the units in ptdlugosz's apartment building, and/or rent them once they are not rent stabilized, and/or BUY them in the event that the building is converted to condos.
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Also needless to say....
The goal of investors is to purchase properties which could be generating more income than they presently are. Here is text of an email I received today for a property "pretty far east" in Crown Heights, located between New York Avenue and Brooklyn Ave:
922 Prospect Place: Crown Heights - 4-story 9,000 SF property that consists of 8 two-bedroom apartments, out of which 5 are rent stabilized and 3 are free market. Rents for the building are significantly below market with the current income at only $130,812/annually
Download Setup: http://www.terracrg.com/setups/922_Prospect_Place.pdf
Whoever buys this will have to increase the rents (either by going to Max Legal, OR by getting units out of stabilization, OR -ahem- some other means) in order just to break even on the property.
The job of the realtors is to make it sound possible....
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Whynot - how in the world is this information helping the OP?!
Are you suggesting that he buy a building? Or are you trying to instruct him on how brokers price buildings?
Yes ....Brooklyn has gotten expensive .... We get it.
.......and since you have such interest in his situation, I would like for you to make one of your apartments available to the OP below market rate because you have vested so much in his situation.
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WhyNot is not trying to help the OP. He is conducting an online class in macroeconomics.
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I think I am doing a little of both.
First and foremost, if I were the OP, I would get advice from the established non-profits I linked above:
https://files.nyu.edu/swl2/public/housing.html
By clicking on this link, you will access just about everything you will ever need to know about rent stabilized housing in NYC. Read slowly. Digest. Get the facts.
As others have hinted, just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it is illegal.
Then, the OP should decide what is best for him.
His options could include: Moving to another part of NYC, OR moving out the city, OR paying the new rent, OR fighting the landlord's attempt to raise his rent.
Which option is best for him and each of his neighbors depends upon each of them individually.
Sorry, I do not have an answer for the OP other than to make sure he understands the potential impact of each and every choice before him.
...we also might want to warn the present tenants of 922 Park Place that similar decisions and choices will soon be forced upon them.
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To the OP: can you check in and let us know if you've learned anything that's helped you since you initially posted? It's my impression (and I confirmed this with DHCR) that if you have a preferential rent, the Landlord can put you up as far as the Legal rent any time you renew your lease (unless specifically stipulated otherwise in your initial lease). I don't think this has anything to do with previous or new owner, etc.. but is well within the law. It's certainly super lame for you (well, us.. I'm in the same boat).. but is there any question on the legality here?
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Hi everyone! Sorry for the lack of update on our situation but thanks for your continued interest.
We followed many of your suggestions, from going to the DCHR (at 55 Hanson Place, Room 702) to look up our rent history to attending the legal clinic on July 5. However, after speaking directly with our new management company, it seems we will have to move after all. It was made clear to us the the preferential rent rate could no longer be given to us, and that the new management company is trying to turn a profit on the building. We were labeled (quote) as "the victims of rent-stabilization" by the new owners.
While our situation isn't as awful as the events at 1076 Dean, it does shed light on the growing housing issues in the neighborhood.
In the past few weeks there has been plenty of buzz surround Crown Heights and the real estate market. Even though we are fairly new to the area (2 years for me, 3 for my gf) we love the community aspect of CH, and are looking forward to staying. We are thankful that people offered us their support and advice.
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I sincerely hope you grow to like your new neighborhood as much as your grew to like this one.
....wish we had the magic wand to fix your situation, and those in the future who will be in it.
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"We were labeled (quote) as "the victims of rent-stabilization" by the new owners."
The new owners are correct in that respect. If rent-stabilization was abolished your rent would have not gone up and most likely would have been lower to begin with.
Best of luck on your search for a new place. Hopefully you can find something in the area you have grown to love for a rent you can afford.
(MOD NOTE: We split off the off-topic comments on general affordable housing issues here http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/44398/affordable-housing-in-ch-discussion)
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Update:Also needless to say....
The goal of investors is to purchase properties which could be generating more income than they presently are. Here is text of an email I received today for a property "pretty far east" in Crown Heights, located between New York Avenue and Brooklyn Ave:
922 Prospect Place: Crown Heights - 4-story 9,000 SF property that consists of 8 two-bedroom apartments, out of which 5 are rent stabilized and 3 are free market. Rents for the building are significantly below market with the current income at only $130,812/annually
Download Setup: http://www.terracrg.com/setups/922_Prospect_Place.pdf
Whoever buys this will have to increase the rents (either by going to Max Legal, OR by getting units out of stabilization, OR -ahem- some other means) in order just to break even on the property.
The job of the realtors is to make it sound possible....
TerraCRG announced today (July 24, 2014) that it has closed on the sale of 922 Prospect Place in Crown Heights for $2,625,000; which equates to $292/SF.
....this is just a little below the ask of $2.9M
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