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NYTimes: Corcoran steered whites to PH — Brooklynian

NYTimes: Corcoran steered whites to PH

October 11, 2006
Report Alleges Bias by a Real Estate Giant
By JANNY SCOTT

The National Fair Housing Alliance, a consortium of 220 groups and individuals working against housing discrimination, charged yesterday that agents in the Brooklyn Heights office of the city’s largest residential real estate brokerage, the Corcoran Group, had engaged in discriminatory sales practices, including racial steering and withholding information from African-American clients.

“During our 16 years of existence, the National Fair Housing Alliance has never seen such a literal and blatant example of sales steering,” the group wrote in a report detailing its allegations. In that particular instance, the report said, an agent “produced a map of Brooklyn and drew a red outline of the areas in which the white home seeker should consider living.” The agent used arrows to indicate neighborhoods that were “changing.”

“This racial steering tactic is reminiscent of discriminatory conduct from the 1970’s, when real estate agents would go into white neighborhoods with the specific intention of triggering white flight by showing on a map where an African-American family had bought a house,” the alliance wrote. “This Corcoran Group agent applied a new trick — he used a map to tell whites instead where they should ‘flee to.’ ”

Pamela Liebman, president and chief executive officer of Corcoran, said in an interview yesterday that her firm “has always been devoted to fair housing” and recently required all of its agents to undergo four hours of training in fair housing law and practices.

She said, “I have never been given the specific charges as they relate to the Corcoran Group and I anxiously await them as we intend to defend ourselves vigorously.”

She said she could not comment further on the allegations because she had not seen them.

Shanna L. Smith, president of the alliance, said her group conducted the investigation under contract with the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development, following up on earlier housing discrimination findings in a 2000 H.U.D. report. She said the alliance has filed a complaint with the housing agency against Corcoran and its parent company, NRT Inc. NRT describes itself as the nation’s largest residential real estate brokerage firm, with companies in more than 35 metropolitan areas and more than 1,000 offices.

In its report, the alliance said the investigation of the Corcoran office “uncovered blatant housing discrimination against African-Americans, as well as steering of whites away from neighborhoods of color and to Prospect Heights, Park Slope, Windsor Terrace, Cobble Hill, Brooklyn Heights and parts of Carroll Gardens.” It said agents withheld from black clients information about incentives, like ways to reduce costs, that it gave to white clients.

The alliance said it conducted the investigation by sending white and African-American “testers” into the office posing as potential home buyers. The black testers were better qualified than the whites, based on income, employment and other factors.

Corcoran announced late last month that it was devoting the month of October to training its agents in the country’s fair housing laws, which prohibit discrimination in housing based on race, color, religion, sex, national origin and other factors. Ms. Liebman, who said she received three days’ worth of “diversity training” in 2003, said that month of training for agents was initiated before Corcoran knew of the alliance’s allegations.
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  • Huh, that's pretty crazy - you would think that, 'specially in an industry like Real Estate, they'd want to make a buck, first and foremost. Bad sales, bad sales...
  • they probably didnt want to say waste their own time or white buyers time by showing them the "ghetto" or osmethgn. they just want to make a quick buck. most people feel comfy around people like themsleves. so i'm not supprise they steer people into some areas. its a easier sale.
  • armchair_warrior wrote: they probably didnt want to say waste their own time or white buyers time by showing them the "ghetto" or osmethgn. they just want to make a quick buck. most people feel comfy around people like themsleves. so i'm not supprise they steer people into some areas. its a easier sale.
    Could be true, but it's still bad sales to assume...
  • its only common sense. people go after their market.
  • armchair_warrior wrote: its only common sense. people go after their market.
    Gotta disagree - 'their' market is ever-changing. You need to know who they are before you know their market. Case and point - a co-worker of mine was basically forced to help a shabby-lookin' guy that another salesman sneered at and passed off... fast-forward 8 months and the store is flying $150,000 worth of gear and two installers to Chile... oops.
  • housing market is just people. say white middle class person from say middle america or upper west side. and never been to brooklyn before. sales man not gonna waste their time by taking them to the ghetto. they gonna show them a middle class area. where they think these people would feel comfy and fit in.
  • I work with someone who lives in Maplewood New Jersey and they were facing the same problem. Many of these agents were creating a segregated town. They worked with a company called Fund for an OPEN Society (http://www.opensoc.org/) to create a Community Coalition (http://www.twotowns.org/mission.php) which oversees realtors and hold forums for residents and try to get the community involved in all aspects of civic life. Im not sure if it would work in NYC or Brooklyn for that matter but I thought it was a great step.
  • I think that that's only part of the issue - the other part is, why didn't they steer the better qualified minorities to these same areas?
  • that part i have no idea. than they are being idiots. i would steer a middle class black person to a middle class area too. regardless of race.
  • armchair_warrior wrote: that part i have no idea. than they are being idiots. i would steer a middle class black person to a middle class area too. regardless of race.
    Exactly - steer them towards the biggest sale! :wink: :twisted: :wink: :twisted: :wink:
  • also i'll let you folks on a secert ;). some folks in the hood have two prices for none blacks :P.
  • Race has a factor on sales and property value. I can't begin to tell you the notion of businesses in the neighborhood. Ask most minority business owners and if they are being honest, they will tell you that the white kids bring them money.

    Do you think that it is the minority population that is driving the rents and housing values up? Gentrification makes values go up and gentrification is primarily white people. The Corcoran Group was doing business.

    With the increase of white population, the property values have sky-rocketed in the last 7 years that I have lived here. The Corcoran Group is making money from this idea and it isn't fair. Its about money at the expense of those that cannot afford to live here anymore.

    Look at some of the gentrifying homeowners on this board that complain about the locals. I'm sure they would say the Corcoran Group thing is a bad idea in front of a crowd but deep down inside they their property values are going up. I doubt they are loosing sleep.

    Equal ground would be nice, but seriously...have you met an honest real estate broker? I bet the Corcoran Group gets a slap on the wrist.
  • I don't want to make it sound like I'm disputing this report, because it sounds eminently plausible to me, but I feel like there's some sort of corroborating detail missing in the article. I don't think it's suspicious to suggest to rich white people that they live in "Prospect Heights, Park Slope, Windsor Terrace, Cobble Hill, Brooklyn Heights and parts of Carroll Gardens." That's where there are a lot of expensive apartments. If, however, they told not well-off white people that those were the only acceptable places to live in Brooklyn, whether they could afford it or not, that would be more incriminating. The article says that the NFHA sent testers out so I'm assuming there is more evidence than this write-up indicates.

    Also, as someone who lived in Cobble Hill/Carroll Gardens not that long ago, I'm really surprised that PH is being characterized implicitly as a neighborhood not-of-color, because this area remains, despite everything, waaaaay more diverse than there. Maybe the NFHA fell for Corcoran's up-and-coming sales spiel a little themselves? :roll:
  • Follow-up: I found the full report fairly easily.

    http://www.nationalfairhousing.org/resources/newsArchive/resource_57205404662137137477.pdf

    This was interesting because I was not aware of how strongly the law was worded in terms of not allowing realtors to attempt to sway buyers in terms, for example, of just not informing them of salient facts.
    ‐ Discouraging the purchase or rental of a dwelling by exaggerating drawbacks or failing to inform any person of desirable features of a dwelling, or of a community, neighborhood or development;
    ‐ Communicating to any prospective purchaser that he or she would not be comfortable or compatible with existing residents of a community, neighborhood or development;
    Also, there are definitely some incriminating details missing from the article, such as
    In one test, a White homeseeker saw thirteen homes versus only one seen by an African‐American. Agents furthered engaged in unequal treatment by providing more detailed financial options and incentives to White homeseekers. One agent presented a White homeseeker with a sales application, and offered to negotiate a reduced sales price and research alternative living arrangements. The African‐American homeseeker received no such service.
    It seems to me like the person who wrote the article only read the press release, not the full report. Lazy. The report is only 11 pages.
  • I think the idea is more interesting than disecting the article.

    I personally dont like the Corcoran Group, but the idea is scandalous and needs attention.
  • Breuckelen wrote: I personally dont like the Corcoran Group, but the idea is scandalous and needs attention.
    Well, I agree with you, but I like get my facts straight first.

    I had no idea that Corcoran was a part of a national chain, which makes this more important.
  • Breuckelen wrote:
    Do you think that it is the minority population that is driving the rents and housing values up?
    Let me see... a number the apartments in my building seem to have been sold to foreigners and immigrants in the past couple of years, of varoius shades. Then there's some black American owners, some hispanics, and the occasional white American. The only common feature (apart from liking the area) seems to be that they're middle class and can afford to buy. The prices have risen, and it looks like several different minorities (with respect to this city) had a hand in it.

    Unless of course you think "minority" only applies to people who are both poor and black.
  • doctorj wrote: [quote=Breuckelen]
    Do you think that it is the minority population that is driving the rents and housing values up?
    Let me see... a number the apartments in my building seem to have been sold to foreigners and immigrants in the past couple of years, of varoius shades. Then there's some black American owners, some hispanics, and the occasional white American. The only common feature (apart from liking the area) seems to be that they're middle class and can afford to buy. The prices have risen, and it looks like several different minorities (with respect to this city) had a hand in it.

    Unless of course you think "minority" only applies to people who are both poor and black.

    No need to get testy. I was not suggesting that a minority means the black race and poor is not a monority in terms of race.

    I had never heard of an area's value going up becasue there were anything other than a white race moving there (USA). I guess you feel that your building must represent the entire neighborhood. I don't know that. But I can attest to the changes at the Eastern Parkway Brooklyn Museum stop. There are more and more white people every year and it isn't because they need a tan that I notice them.

    The Cocoran group knows this and they are going to cater to this idea, as do other real estate brokers. Like it has been said, people like to see their own race in communities that they are going to call home.
  • Breuckelen wrote: Race has a factor on sales and property value. I can't begin to tell you the notion of businesses in the neighborhood. Ask most minority business owners and if they are being honest, they will tell you that the white kids bring them money.

    Do you think that it is the minority population that is driving the rents and housing values up? Gentrification makes values go up and gentrification is primarily white people. The Corcoran Group was doing business.

    With the increase of white population, the property values have sky-rocketed in the last 7 years that I have lived here. The Corcoran Group is making money from this idea and it isn't fair. Its about money at the expense of those that cannot afford to live here anymore.

    Look at some of the gentrifying homeowners on this board that complain about the locals. I'm sure they would say the Corcoran Group thing is a bad idea in front of a crowd but deep down inside they their property values are going up. I doubt they are loosing sleep.

    Equal ground would be nice, but seriously...have you met an honest real estate broker? I bet the Corcoran Group gets a slap on the wrist.
    If the Corcoran Group was steering whites to predominantly white middle class neighborhoods and blacks to predominantly black neighborhoods, isn't that the exact *opposite* of the gentrification process?
  • doctorj wrote: [quote=Breuckelen]
    Do you think that it is the minority population that is driving the rents and housing values up?
    Let me see... a number the apartments in my building seem to have been sold to foreigners and immigrants in the past couple of years, of varoius shades. Then there's some black American owners, some hispanics, and the occasional white American. The only common feature (apart from liking the area) seems to be that they're middle class and can afford to buy. The prices have risen, and it looks like several different minorities (with respect to this city) had a hand in it.

    Unless of course you think "minority" only applies to people who are both poor and black.

    Just my two cents - most of the tenants in my building are black, but are squarely (NYC) middle class...
  • as i walk around, i see a number of buildings that are being converted by Corcoran. It makes perfect sense to me that they would be using their clout in the market place to change the demographic of the neighborhood where they are investing money. It seems to me that if this practice works in ph it pushes the "white wave" further east and the same will start happening in ch & bed stuy.

    i find this quite upsetting as i had a wonderful experience with them in the city but i don't find it surprising and would support any investigation that exposes this further
  • I thought the article and underlying report were interesting because I've never shopped for a home purchase in NYC outside of accompanying some very wealthy friends to open houses.

    also I thought it was interesting because my building, which is a co-op, is well over 50% minority owned. even the last two buyers - me (14 months ago) and a couple (maybe ... 8 months ago) - are minorities.

    for the record, corcoran has nothing to do with the building I live in.
  • cythren wrote: If the Corcoran Group was steering whites to predominantly white middle class neighborhoods and blacks to predominantly black neighborhoods, isn't that the exact *opposite* of the gentrification process?
    I don't know? But what is the gentrification process? What does it really mean and posters please refrain from the wikipedia definition because that doesn't help.

    When I think gentrification, there are positive and negative notions, but it does insinuate a raise in property value. In terms of Brooklyn, it started in Williamsburg.

    I don't think that Prospect Heights prices are middle class anymore.

    Maybe the Corcoran Group is developing a Neo-Gentrification?
  • Breuckelen wrote:
    I don't think that Prospect Heights prices are middle class anymore.
    Looking forward to the next census so we can get some fresh data. But my impression is that this is not the Upper East Side and it's not East New York. Our stats seem pretty close to average for the city. People on average incomes (by New York standards) have to live somewhere, and if prices have risen too high during times of low rates and boundless optimism, they'll probably stay still for a while as people's incomes catch up.
  • Is it not fair to say that white folks=$?

    Let's just admit that simple fact.

    C'mon white folks put your clapping hands together! Without rhythm! :oops:
  • Breuckelen wrote: Ask most minority business owners and if they are being honest, they will tell you that the white kids bring them money.
    actually everytime i'm there at my new building black people and landlords always ask me about have i rented it out yet and are white people moving in. and i ask them why and they go they pay more than minorites.
  • Breuckelen wrote: I had never heard of an area's value going up becasue there were anything other than a white race moving there (USA).
    Wow. What about East NY, where an influx of South Asians has sent land prices skyrocketing and reinvigorated local commerce. How about Fort Lee, where wealthy Koreans and Japanese have completely "gentrified" the neighborhood over the past two decades. And what about the influx of middle class West Indians into Queens, where, as it was reported last week, average income among blacks is now higher than whites. Did anyone know that the single wealthiest ethnic group in NYC is Filipino? Let's not oversimplify.

    Look, like AW I see very little wrong with a broker using common sense to suggest an area to a customer that seems like it would be to his/her liking, and such a judgment would inevitably take race and culture into account. Provoking racial panic to create artificial sales is obviously illegal and unjustified, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. It is also illegal, offensive, and plain bad business to discourage an affluent black person from buying into an expensive neighborhood, as has been pointed out. Brokers ought to give a range of options and let the customer decide rather than making too many assumptions.
  • escap wrote: Wow. What about East NY, where an influx of South Asians has sent land prices skyrocketing and reinvigorated local commerce. How about Fort Lee, where wealthy Koreans and Japanese have completely "gentrified" the neighborhood over the past two decades. And what about the influx of middle class West Indians into Queens, where, as it was reported last week, average income among blacks is now higher than whites. Did anyone know that the single wealthiest ethnic group in NYC is Filipino? Let's not oversimplify.

    Look, like AW I see very little wrong with a broker using common sense to suggest an area to a customer that seems like it would be to his/her liking, and such a judgment would inevitably take race and culture into account. Provoking racial panic to create artificial sales is obviously illegal and unjustified, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. It is also illegal, offensive, and plain bad business to discourage an affluent black person from buying into an expensive neighborhood, as has been pointed out. Brokers ought to give a range of options and let the customer decide rather than making too many assumptions.

    I was not trying to oversimplify, sorry you took it that way. I don't think that the media is going to cause any hype towards a neighborhood that has a influx of minorities moving in. This country is still driven by the white race.

    Where did you find your statistics on the single wealthiest ethnic group in NYC?

    In terms of the brokers I agree with you, but are your points based on true law or some kind of ethics?
  • Breuckelen wrote:
    Where did you find your statistics on the single wealthiest ethnic group in NYC?
    I read the stat about Filipinos in a NYT article about a year ago.
    Breuckelen wrote: In terms of the brokers I agree with you, but are your points based on true law or some kind of ethics?
    A little of both. I got my real estate license when I was 19 (actually worked as a Corcoran broker's assistant for about 9 months!) and so I had to take a class on real estate law and they discussed this issue. (No, I am not currently in the business.) The rest was just my opinion.
  • Breuckelen wrote: I don't think that the media is going to cause any hype towards a neighborhood that has a influx of minorities moving in.
    So that NYT piece the other week about Queens was an absence of hype?
    Breuckelen wrote: This country is still driven by the white race.
    But less and less in this city it seems to me. And evolutionary scientists discarded the concept of "The White Race" in the 1940s as meaningless. And most of the "blacks" I see are cream, tan, fawn, beige, chestnut; they look white next to a Papuan or a Hutu. The pigmentation difference is projected to become less and less visible in the US this century at current rates of intermarriage.
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