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Arrest on Franklin on 10/28/2014 — Brooklynian

Arrest on Franklin on 10/28/2014

On a different thread, @brooklynjess states:

"did anyone else happen to witness the violent incident on franklin and st. johns around 5:15pm this evening? i was walking from the subway back home to see two police officers bolting down the street after a group of young men. once one suspect was apprehended and getting cuffs affixed, a second police officer punched him in face and knocked him down. really horrible to witness. half of the people crowded on the street were paralyzed, and the other half were shouting wildly. i am curious for what reason these suspects were being chased; probably as i am trying to make sense of the violence i witnessed once they were apprehended. anyone out there know any info? "


http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/comment/554973#Comment_554973

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  • whynot_31
    edited October 2014
    Which matches what a friend posted on facebook, right about the same time:

    "Hey dozen or so people who just got video of a cop beating on that kid for taking video of him at the corner of St. Johns and Franklin, you should definitely put that on the internet"
  • I saw a loud commotion and people screaming and pulling at the two police officers while they were trying to wrestle and apprehend someone. By no means am I being pro police it's just that in this climate it's amazing that now everyone wants to assume the police are in the wrong and overreacting and perhaps being racist meatheads. When maybe just maybe they cought a criminal or one of the biker kids involved in the Classon incident last week. I don't know.
  • chekhovian
    edited October 2014
    @theburgerking - why would that justify punching the suspect?

    Even if police were 100% certain the suspect was involved in the bike shooting (doubtful), how is a public showing of brute force supposed to promote any cooperation between residents and the police?
  • Were they punching him?  Did the suspect punch, kick or resist? What did he do? 
  • All anyone saw - from the other post and the facebook post whynot mentioned - is that the police officer punched the suspect.
  • The police are allowed to use necessary force to arrest someone.

    Hopefully this arrest adhered to that general parameter.
  • brooklynjess
    edited October 2014
    i have no idea of who was in the wrong--i am just saying it was very scary and unsettling to see. and i have no idea why the guy was being chased in the first place. my guess was that since the police officer was punching him in the head/ face that he had done something awful. the guy apprehended was trying to fight back and continuing to try to run. the other cop reached for and unlocked his gun, which made me freeze and my heart stop, since i was walking by so close. a scary evening, which is why i guess i am trying to make sense of it by trying to find out what happened/ why they were being chased in the first place.
  • There were a multitude of witnesses to this police brutality. The officer threatened to f#%k up the young man for recording an arrest. The officer charged at the young man and attempted to hit him, while the young man was backing away into the intersection. The officer took a fighting stance & swung at the young man. The young man attempted to defend himself. A fight ensued. Once the officer restrained the young man in handcuffs, he continued to assault the young man. This altercation was senseless. He was not a suspect. The officer was opposed to him recording the arrest.
  • I regret using the word "suspect" - I do not regret questioning the police behavior.

    Any idea what happened to the footage?
  • For clarity, we may want to refer to the arrested males as:

    1. Initial focus of police attention. IFP

    2. Additional person arrested. APA.
  • Got this flier earlier this week for a training tomorrow night on how to monitor and record the police safely and without breaking any laws. Seems really timely now. CW training Series - Brooklyn 10.30.14
  • It would be nice if some of the avid police watchers were equally interested in recording the criminal behavior of the "poor" suspects. Perhaps these watchers would like Franklin Avenue to revert to the way it was 20 years ago. Oh, I forgot, these movie makers probably weren't living here then.
  •  Oh, I forgot, these movie makers probably weren't living here then.
    Ha! Even if they were, they were in diapers! 
  • whynot_31
    edited October 2014
    A lot of the people recording the police seem to have a hard time understanding that the right to photograph them is not absolute.

    I found this pretty good video re: a photographer's rights: http://www.youtube.com/embed/l0M49RCDOvw

    within this link:

    http://www.diyphotography.net/photographers-guide-1st-amendment-get-arrested/

  • Here's another good resource to for anyone photographing the police:

    The ACLU's Know Your Rights for Photographers (https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/know-your-rights-photographers).

    Your rights as a photographer:

    • When in public spaces where you are lawfully present you have the right to photograph anything that is in plain view. That includes pictures of federal buildings, transportation facilities, and police. Such photography is a form of public oversight over the government and is important in a free society.
    • When you are on private property, the property owner may set rules about the taking of photographs.
      If you disobey the property owner's rules, they can order you off their
      property (and have you arrested for trespassing if you do not comply).
    • Police officers may not confiscate or demand to view your digital photographs or video without a warrant. The Supreme Court has ruled
      that police may not search your cell phone when they arrest you, unless
      they get a warrant. Although the court did not specifically rule on
      whether law enforcement may search other electronic devices such as a
      standalone camera, the ACLU believes that the constitution broadly
      prevents warrantless searches of your digital data. It is possible that
      courts may approve the temporary warrantless seizure of a camera in
      certain extreme “exigent” circumstances such as where necessary to save a
      life, or where police have a reasonable, good-faith belief that doing
      so is necessary to prevent the destruction of evidence of a crime while
      they seek a warrant.
    • Police may not delete your photographs or video under any circumstances. Officers have faced felony charges of evidence tampering as well as obstruction and theft for taking a photographer’s memory card.
    • Police officers may legitimately order citizens to cease
      activities that are truly interfering with legitimate law enforcement
      operations.
      Professional officers, however, realize that such
      operations are subject to public scrutiny, including by citizens
      photographing them.
    • Note that the right to photograph does not give you a right to break any other laws. For example, if you are trespassing to take photographs, you may still be charged with trespass.
  • Here's why we should be allowed to record the police:

    Agreed.

    But it sucks that in so many of these cases these cops are ruining their careers by making stupid heat of the moment decisions completely borne of being asked to enforce our country's utterly idiotic and racist drug laws.
  • I have no doubt that the police punching this kid would take pleasure in punching this kid whether or not he had broken any drug laws (and that's not to say he did break any laws, but even if he were breaking laws, there are police who would take all too much pleasure in beating up a kid).
  • whynot_31
    edited November 2014
    Running from the police should only result in the force required to subdue you, but that is often not the case.
  • chekhovian
    edited November 2014
    Agreed, whynot. I just edited a response after misreading your last post. [I thought you were defending the cops.]  Does anyone know the locale of that incident?
  • I have no doubt that the police punching this kid would take pleasure in punching this kid whether or not he had broken any drug laws (and that's not to say he did break any laws, but even if he were breaking laws, there are police who would take all too much pleasure in beating up a kid).
    Maybe so, but the ridiculous laws create an environment that produces far more opportunities and cover for cops so inclined.
  • the officers are facing charges, just like any other common criminal

     

    seems like good news to me

  • whynot_31
    edited November 2014
    I'm interested in seeing whether the incident that started this thread (seen in video linked by @nothinlikeabklyngirl) also results in criminal charges and/or discipline:

    http://7online.com/news/victim-says-video-shows-unnecessary-force-by-police-in-brooklyn-/382854/
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