The Hunger Games Redux - a.k.a. CB9 Monthly Meeting part 2 is tonight
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Part 1 of this meeting took place on Oct 28th, and was covered on this thread: http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/44855/cb9-meeting-stshow#Item_18Prior to the Oct 28th mtg, the CB stated that members of the public could pre-register to speak for 3 minutes.
Now, they seem to have dropped the pre-registration requirement, and reduced the time to 2 minutes.
BTW, the capacity of the auditorium seems to be 500 people.
http://sls.downstate.edu/admissions/pdfs/bulletins/CHRP_Bulletin.pdf -
May the odds be ever in your favor.
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@whynot_31 - yes I am going - my mascochistic side will be fulfilled yet again....sigh.
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Will you take photos of people:
Who seem to want the revolution to begin tonight, and believe that the CB is complicit in the capialist, racist hegemony?
and/or
Who seem to believe that MTOPP is a threat to the status quo and therefore must be surpressed?
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sure
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thanks.
If it is ok with you, I'll send the photos into the John Birch Society and Worker's World.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society
http://www.workers.org/
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I just got this in my email:
Today CB9 rescheduled Meeting!
COME OUT AND BE HEARD! Community Board 9 rescheduled meeting today, Monday,
Nov. 3, @7 pm. At SUNY Downstate Alumni Auditorium at 395 Lenox Rd, bet. New
York and Brooklyn Ave. Let them know you don't want any luxury towers, stop the
displacement, RESCIND the RESOLUTION. -
from MTOPP - as if I had to tell you.
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Whoever goes this evening..have fun!
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Photo courtesy of lilern:
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Oh. My. God.
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Well now.. that's quite something.
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In light of MTOPP constantly disrupting CB9's meetings, it will be tempting for CB9 members to do any and all business without the public, in Executive Sessions.
CB9 needs to be careful that it does so while in compliance with the various open meeting laws, and with the blessing of Eric Adams and the City's Corp Counsel. -
I don't see why they can't have MTOPP escorted out for being disruptive or rebuke those from MTOPP for disrupting the event.Chris Christie told a protestor to shut up at a press conference last week and he meant it; he didn't care.
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Chris Christie is a governor, and oversees the State Police. Members of a CB have no such power.
While the NYPD are present at CB9 meetings, so far, they have allowed people to disrupt the meeting without kicking anyone out or making any arrests.
I have to say, I side with the NYPD on this one.
I'd rather MTOPP continue to disrupt mtgs than for them to get the fame that would come from being arrested/martyrs. So far, they are merely noisy and disruptive.
...eventually the members of MTOPP may realize that the neighborhood is going to get far more expensive, and -yes- many of them will be displaced, and -yes- the people they perceive as being in power are not going to effectively help them
....yet find more constructive responses to it.
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Anyone know what Alicia does for a living? Is this her full time job now?
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I agree @whynot_31. There were 15 cops there last night. I think Alicia secretly wants to get arrested so she can then create a narrative based on said arrest (she knows and we know teh charges won't stick), the cops become the 'bad guys', she files a lawsuit as a result and then uses the incident to get people worked up that have no idea of the backstory. And I also agree - CB9 is walking a very fine line. Alicia was worked up into a frenzy this time because the meeting was adjourned BEFORE the Public Session where the community gets a chance to talk. While I COMPLETELY disagree with MTOPP to have a community meeting that ends by a motion to adjourn by a CB9 Board member which is then seconded by another member and then stopped BEFORE the public session is a HUGE mistake. I don't even think it is legal - and it is very undemocratic and as much as I was glad to only be exposed to 10 minutes of MTOPP's yelling it is a tactic I would advise CB9 to not utilize again for both legal and PR reasons.
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As a result of having the support of Eric Adams, and the various other local politicians, the members of CB9 have little to worry about.
No legal action by MTOPP is going to result in someone else running CB9's meetings, or their arrest for ending a mtg early.
I suspect the real excitement will come when the Dept of Planning concludes its study, and recommends that sections of CB9 be upzoned (ie more accomodating to wealthy people).
The City Council will then pass it....
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@lilern, I think the meetings are held according to Roberts Rules of Order. As such, only board members can make a motion to adjourn a meeting.That motion once made and seconded, must be voted on. The only way to have stopped the board from adjourning would have been for board members to vote against adjournment. Given the shenanigans that's been discussed here, I'm not at all surprised that board members elected to get out of dodge before they opened the floor for public discussion.
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I agree @whynot_31. There were 15 cops there last night. I think Alicia secretly wants to get arrested so she can then create a narrative based on said arrest (she knows and we know teh charges won't stick), the cops become the 'bad guys', she files a lawsuit as a result and then uses the incident to get people worked up that have no idea of the backstory. And I also agree - CB9 is walking a very fine line. Alicia was worked up into a frenzy this time because the meeting was adjourned BEFORE the Public Session where the community gets a chance to talk. While I COMPLETELY disagree with MTOPP to have a community meeting that ends by a motion to adjourn by a CB9 Board member which is then seconded by another member and then stopped BEFORE the public session is a HUGE mistake. I don't even think it is legal - and it is very undemocratic and as much as I was glad to only be exposed to 10 minutes of MTOPP's yelling it is a tactic I would advise CB9 to not utilize again for both legal and PR reasons.
I will point out that the SUNY Down State security guy (the older gentlemen in the brown suit) signaled to the CB9 chair multiple times before the end of the meeting that it was time to wrap it up due to the meeting running over time. I don't see how the law can force a CB to hold a public session if the venue host is kicking the CB off of its premises; the law in this instance applies to the CB, not to the venue host, but its application must be reasonable. Ultimately, though, MTOPP only has itself to blame on this matter; had they not held up the last two meetings, then the agenda of yesterday's meeting would not have been as packed and there would have been plenty of time to hold a public session. -
I don't see why they can't have MTOPP escorted out for being disruptive or rebuke those from MTOPP for disrupting the event.
While there were not 15 officers in attendance as another poster claimed, there was a sufficient police presence to escort the agitators out if need be. Ultimately, however, it is up to the Board (and, more immediately, the Board chair) to demand/require that the police escort out people who are violating the law. To disrupt a meeting is illegal, and the police don't have great discretion to take action in removing people disrupting a meeting when the organization holding the meeting makes such a demand.Chris Christie told a protestor to shut up at a press conference last week and he meant it; he didn't care. -
In conjunction with putting the public comment section last on the agenda, having a mtg at a venue which will throw you out the moment your mtg is scheduled to end seems a good strategy for CB9.
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@pheightsresident It was I whom claimed there were 15 police officers there and I stand by that statement. In the auditorium itself there were 3 officers in the back including Sgt Fitzgibbons. There were acknowledged at the beginning of the meeting and in fact CB9 also stated that the 71st precinct will be a part of all future CB9 meetings. Around 9pm as the meeting drug on I was in major need of a cigarette (I know, I know, smoking will kill me). Upon exiting there were a large group of cops in the traditional blue uniform just outside the closed auditorium doors. Aha - I thought - they are smart waiting outside to avoid being physically present during the meeting and then will enter when the yelling starts. Note - they were NOT there at the beginning of the meeting. I am certain they purposely came around 8pm as to not already amp peopel up on the way in and to also not make their presence to those inside agitating things further. On the way back in I made a point to count how many were there. The total was 12. Add that to the 3 inside and you get 15. When the screaming started some of them made there way inside. In fact a few MTOPP folks were a mere 6 inches from some of the officer's faces yelling at THEM. I may not be a math major but between 20/20 corrected vision and addition involving double digit numbers there were 15 there.
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Poetry from The Q at Parkside:
We met at SUNY Downstate
We were told not to stay there too late
Only from seven to nine
So we tried to start right on time
No one knew ol' Robert's Rules
So we started to all seem like fools
The Rabbi he wanted no Slow Zone
The Committee Chair wanted to Postpone
(Who the hell doesn't want speed humps?
They're not hard on cars like the speed bumps
More than all other neighborhoods
Ours cares more for cars than their fellows' broods)
(Okay, I know that's a reach
But Byron himself I beseech
His rhymes
They did sucketh
Too sometimes)
Ne'ertheless came the new liquor licenses
Some claim there's just too many vices and
I don't buy that line of thinking
Since liquor stores cause more excess drinking
The budget requests were approved
And we looked at the clock and so moved
To create a new subcommittee
Because our old bylaws are shitty
We ran out of time, agitator
You will have to wait until later
To spew out your threats of more lawsuit
Over stuff that most folks couldn't give a hoot
Ms. Boyd wasted our time
At the last two meetings, that's fine
But now she must wait her turn
Patience she just needs to learn
I wish Dwayne had issued apology
But I think there's a gap in his knowledge he
Seems to need coaching in leadership
Thus the Q bids farewell to his readership
http://theqatparkside.blogspot.com/2014/11/tuesdays-community-board-meeting-in.html
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