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(cancelled): Is four times a week too many times to have alternate side of the street parking? — Brooklynian

(cancelled): Is four times a week too many times to have alternate side of the street parking?

whynot_31
whynot_31
edited November 2014 in Crown Heights/Prospect Lefferts Gardens

Public hearing: reduction of alternate side parking for Community District 8


When: (cancelled), 6:30PM
Where: Hope City Empowerment Center, 650 Washington Avenue (near Bergen Street)

Community Board 8 is hosting a public hearing seeking public comments on a proposal to reduce street cleaning days throughout the district. Currently, the Department of Sanitation cleans the streets four times a week; the proposed reduction will scale the cleaning to twice a week.  

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  • eastbloc
    eastbloc
    Yes.
  • goldemi1
    goldemi1
    About damn time.  The Park Slope experiment seems to work.
  • southeast
    southeast
    Careful; the area may become a park and ride.
  • Dawndew
    Dawndew
    This is so true, southeast. It happened in Park Slope.

    we had this discussion before:
    http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/44314/street-cleaning-once-a-week-instead-of-twice-what-do-you-think#Item_11
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    If I had a car I rarely used and was too cheap to pay for a garage, I would certainly park in a neighborhood where I have to move it less frequently.


  • Dawndew
    Dawndew
    Oh but in PS the commuters take up the spaces your neighbors would use. It is frustrating for everyone but them; they turn down the 'park and ride' lots further out of town. It hurts the businesses here too who have no where for customer parking.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    Yes, as a result of not having "zone parking permits", whenever an area becomes more convenient to its residents, it becomes more attractive to everyone else.

    It sends the message that the city owns the streets, and not a neighborhood's residents.

  • Dawndew
    Dawndew
    I am just saying, I guess, is while it may seem like a good thing to have to move your car less often these changes may bring on a frustrating battle with commuters for those spaces.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    ...sounds like it should be done in conjunction with SBS bus, which is designed to ameliorate people driving to trains.
  • southeast
    southeast
    ...sounds like it should be done in conjunction with "zone parking permits."  It's a win/win for residents.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    Zone parking permits are not going to happen.
  • southeast
    southeast
    edited November 2014
    Zone parking permits are not going to happen.
    :(
  • goldemi1
    goldemi1
    I lived in Park Slope before Crown Heights for some years, and never found it to be too difficult to find parking.  Sure it may not always have been right on my block as it is right now, but I'd rather walk a block or two (exercise!) for the benefit of not having to move all the time, especially on weekends, when I wasn't going to be in the office or in town.
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    EP has A.S. 6 days a week. It would be really great to change that. Planning on going to this meeting. 
  • nothinlikeabklyngirl
    nothinlikeabklyngirl
    I think the only area that would need to worry about a significant rise in commuter parking in CB8 is the five blocks around the Utica train station. Anyone north or west of CB8 has easier access to alternative subway service; it's those people who live to the south or east who'd most likely be driving here to park and get on the train. 

    When I lived in East Flatbush I sometimes drove to Newkirk on the 2/5, my closest station, or Newkirk on the B/Q, for faster train service. The twice weekly alternate side rules around the B/Q did encourage me to park there more often. But I never would have driven to a local stop, or driven past the beginning of the line to get on a more crowded train further down the line, so I'm thinking most of CHN has little to worry about. 
  • southeast
    southeast
    edited November 2014
    @nothinlikeabklyngirl- I presume one would begin at the closest station but move on down the line until parking is found.  If the five blocks you mention fill up...
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    That seems like a very unreliable plan to get to work on time.

  • southeast
    southeast
    That seems like a very unreliable plan to get to work on time.

    Well, the first time it happens, you curse and come late to the office. The next time, you don't even bother with the beginning of the line; you simply go to where you found last time.  Eventually, you find "your" spot.  This happens all the time, never mind a park and ride scenario.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited November 2014
    This makes it sound like the meeting to discuss reducing alt side parking is pointless:

    A plan to ease dreaded alternate-side-parking regulations for drivers in North Crown Heights and Prospect Heights came to a screeching halt on Tuesday.

    Residential streets in Community Board 8 were too dirty for the city to consider the proposal to reduce street cleaning from four to two times a week.

    “Unfortunately we no longer meet the requirements,” a board email announced.

    The city requires that the district achieve a cleanliness rating of 90% for two years in a row to be considered. But the area got a 88.6% in fiscal year 2014.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/plan-ease-strict-parking-rules-halted-due-dirt-article-1.2008943
  • theburgerking
    theburgerking
    This isn't surprising to me. Trash has been in and still is a problem around here. The trash cans over flow and the trash blows into the street. That and the littering...
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    ...but I think we all would have loved to have been the politicians who claimed we helped get rid of the regulations.

    From their perspective, it is a great cause to get behind.
  • transworld
    transworld
    Yes, cleanliness is a problem in north crown heights. Every morning i clean the sidewalk in front of my house, and when i come back at night, it's back being a mess.
    There's still a culture of throwing wrappers, bags, napkins and everything else on the ground, as soon as it has been used.
    Not only it's a pain in the ass, but I also get tickets from the sanitation department for this reason.
    Unfortunately, trash that is on the street also ends up on the sidewalk, and less street cleaning would just make the matter worst.
    Maybe in few years...
  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    As a car owner, it is a giant pain in the a$$ to have to move the car 4x a week. However, until people in our neighborhood stop littering, I do not support reducing the number of street cleaning days. Can you imagine Nostrand Ave without its current level of street cleaning? It would be gross.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited November 2014
    Meeting now cancelled:

    "Cancelled: public hearing on reduction of alternate side parking

    When: Monday, (cancelled), 6:30PM
    Where: Hope City Empowerment Center, 650 Washington Avenue (near Bergen Street)
    The public hearing on the reduction of alternate side parking in Community Board 8 has been canceled. The Department of Sanitation has determined that Community Board 8 does not meet the requirements for a reduction based on the condition of the streets. The law requires that the district achieve a cleanliness acceptability rating (Scorecard Rating) that is equal to or greater than an average score of ninety percent for the two prior consecutive fiscal years. The district's score in FY 2014 was 88.6; in FY 2013, 91.0."

  • Dawndew
    Dawndew
    Is littering a tradition in CH or a show of ownership?  I have seen teens litter within 10 feet of the empty trash can. 
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    I think it is a sign of a lot of things: http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/36811/trash-on-franklin-ave-is-it-a-mess-or-a-mess#Item_51
  • tsarina
    tsarina
    littering is a tradition among the ignorant, unschooled and clueless.  It is not a show of ownership, since owners are the ones cleaning up the litter. 
  • booklaw
    booklaw
    I've always assumed it is a show of contempt for what they do not own and feel they never could own.
  • Dawndew
    Dawndew
    Low self esteem when so much more is possible
  • Dawndew
    Dawndew
    Strange though that sometimes the street sweeper does not show up. Is that a sign of Sanitation sabotage to keep jobs? I mean that alone would lower our clean scores
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