CB9 ULURP Meeting Monday, Jan 26, 260 Eastern Parkway CANCELLED DUE TO SNOW
For those unaware, CB9 has been the scene of very excited people over the last year. The excitement involves how the district will cope with the pressures of increasing development, as well as the mayor's and borough president's decision to embrace development.
Some residents (often renters) want CB9 to try to stop development, despite it having no such power.
Other residents (often owners of property they would like to develop) would like CB9 to give the mayor and borough president everything they ask for with a shiny red bow attached.
Of particular contention are the areas that will be upzoned. Dept of City Planning isn't going to study the whole disctrict, so CB9 is considering only the area marked below. Some want areas included that are not. Others believe that their area is being studied in an attempt to purposely price them out of the neighborhood.
The next meeting of the forces is on Monday. Based on prior meetings, it would not surprise me if the police had to intervene.
Note: The location on Mondays ULURP meeting has been changed to St Francis De Sales School (260 Eastern Parkway-corner Classon Ave) since the below letter was printed.
Some residents (often renters) want CB9 to try to stop development, despite it having no such power.
Other residents (often owners of property they would like to develop) would like CB9 to give the mayor and borough president everything they ask for with a shiny red bow attached.
Of particular contention are the areas that will be upzoned. Dept of City Planning isn't going to study the whole disctrict, so CB9 is considering only the area marked below. Some want areas included that are not. Others believe that their area is being studied in an attempt to purposely price them out of the neighborhood.
The next meeting of the forces is on Monday. Based on prior meetings, it would not surprise me if the police had to intervene.
Note: The location on Mondays ULURP meeting has been changed to St Francis De Sales School (260 Eastern Parkway-corner Classon Ave) since the below letter was printed.
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I was at the Executive Committee meeting on Tuesday night and all I can say is SMDH
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Insane... and borderline antisemitic. Definitely race-baiting.
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Did you see this @southeast ?Good Morning NeighborWe have just been confronted with a serious crisis!Community Board 9 plans on not having any resolutionpresented to City Planning!That is right! Without a Resolution we are done!What they want is to have 1 ULURP committee meetingon Monday, Jan 26, at 890 Nostrand Ave.Solidify the parameters of the study,which is entire Black community, from Eastern Parkwayto Clarkson Ave, from Flatbush/Ocean Ave/ Washington Aveto East New York Ave!This is the entire Black Communityand it contains none of the Jewish Community!Then on Tuesday, at the Community Board meetingLocated at 650 Bedford at 7 pm,not include the rezoning study onthe agenda, so we can't speakBut present a recommendation during the "Business session"where the community can not speakand vote to pass these parameters into City Planning Hands!We need to come out on Monday and Tuesdayand shut CB9 down!We will not allow our community to be sold tothe White Man, for whatever pay off they are gaining!Yes, I'm calling a spade a spade!This is our reality!A black community is being soldto White developers!And they are using Black people to do it!The Jewish Community is not being includedin this study and thus has protection!If you want to help mobilize for this coming weekPlease call me asap.We need people to man the phones
and to get flyers out into the community!
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I was at the Executive Committee meeting on Tuesday night and all I can say is SMDH
Was that committee able to conduct any business?
Were they able to explain that because it is an Executive Committee meeting, the public is not able to attend or speak?
@southeast and @lilern have generously posted the latest materials from the most excited of the the groups. To my knowledge, I do not believe Southeast or lilern adheres to their viewpoints and/or methods.
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Yes @lilern - Q at Parkside had that posted.@whynot_31 is correct. I definitely do not adhere to their viewpoints or methods.
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@whynot_31 you are CORRECT - I am NOT in bed with the MTOPP posse. Apparently the meeting I was at on Tuesday could be attended but all they did was set the agenda for next week's meeting. It didn't get as crazy as normal but that could have been due to the fact that the meeting was in the of the CB9 offices and there were only like 20 of us. The shouting was kept at a midlevel decibel reading. MTOPP came with a video recorder and taped it all so I am sure there is footage floating around somewhere....LOLOL
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Some residents (often renters) want CB9 to try to stop development, despite it having no such power.
One thing unites each of the groups: They fail to understand that city government is a distinct entity, with its own concerns and motivations.
Other residents (often owners of property they would like to develop) would like CB9 to give the mayor and borough president everything they ask for with a shiny red bow attached.
Of particular contention are the areas that will be upzoned. Dept of City Planning isn't going to study the whole disctrict, so CB9 is considering only the area marked below. Some want areas included that are not. Others believe that their area is being studied in an attempt to purposely price them out of the neighborhood.
They fail to realize that the city is not going to do something that is not in the city's best interests.
It is the eqivalent of a job applicant who answers the question "why should I hire you?",
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"Because I need a job" -
Wow. I've tried to remain somewhat agnostic about MTOPP, but that's completely crazy. Nice to know that I'm now part of the "black community" simply by virtue of where I live. Someone should really tell them that they have a sneaky, beady eyed half Jew living in their midst (me)! It's also apparently important for the community to have "impute" in the final decision (but not spellcheck/editing). Lastly, since "White Man" is capitalized, is this one particular dude who goes around displacing people, because I concur, that guy sucks. Wait......I'm the White Man?! Damn. Do I at least get some royalties?!
Nothing like some virulent race-baiting to try to bring people together....the more you know.
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Anyone attending tonight? @whynot_31, are you?
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[readers, tonight is a presentation by NYC Dept of Planning in advance of the mtg to be held on Jan 26th]Nope. I only go to such things to atone after doing something horrible. Recently, I have been pretty good.Rachel of DNA Info is going. She will have a report for us tomorrow.I don't know what she did wrong.
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It started a little late, but no drama just yet.
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If you haven't recently done anything wrong, going to a CB9 mtg may allow you to bank grace/chi/mitzvah for use in the future....but I have yet to get clarity on that from whomever is in charge.
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Noted. That may be useful in the future.
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Say Hi to Rachel. She is up near the front writing stuff down, or wandering about getting photos.
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Someone is having dinner and it stinks like sh*t. Seriously?!
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That is part of community meetings.
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I see Rachel. Looks like she is fascinated by the subject.
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She does her job very well, and goes to all these meetings.She must have been horrible in her prior life.
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So I ended up leaving shortly after the affordable housing presentation began. I actually found it pretty informative, and for the portion I was there, the audience was pretty well behaved. There were a couple instances where I thought it would escalate, but it was defused rather quickly. Looking forward to Rachel's report.
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Please note the location on Monday's ULURP meeting has changed to St Francis De Sales School (260 Eastern Parkway-corner Classon Ave)
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It is a never ending saga.CB9 cancelled it due to snow.
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What's kinda interesting is that some of the other Hasidic communities (Borough Park and South Williamsburg) have some of the loosest zoning in Brooklyn, as their leaders want them to zone for growth so their communities remain relatively affordable. Also, of course, by keeping outsiders from buying properties.
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What's kinda interesting is that some of the other Hasidic communities (Borough Park and South Williamsburg) have some of the loosest zoning in Brooklyn, as their leaders want them to zone for growth so their communities remain relatively affordable. Also, of course, by keeping outsiders from buying properties.
I'm not sure that they had influence on the zoning, at least for the area as a whole. My understanding is that the zoning in those areas have been that way for decades. They simply moved to, what was at the time, a cheap area that happened to have loose zoning, likely do to the fact that there wasn't much to "save" in the area.I'm not sure how zoning has anything to do with keeping outsiders from buying property. -
I take the perspective that zoning is one of the few non-income tax methods the government has to raise money and reduce expenses.I can't think of any instances in which a cash starved government has not pursued raising money via it.
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I guess it's more that Borough Park wasn't downzoned, while much of the rest of the city was. And South Williamsburg was upzoned:What's kinda interesting is that some of the other Hasidic communities (Borough Park and South Williamsburg) have some of the loosest zoning in Brooklyn, as their leaders want them to zone for growth so their communities remain relatively affordable. Also, of course, by keeping outsiders from buying properties.
I'm not sure that they had influence on the zoning, at least for the area as a whole. My understanding is that the zoning in those areas have been that way for decades. They simply moved to, what was at the time, a cheap area that happened to have loose zoning, likely do to the fact that there wasn't much to "save" in the area.I'm not sure how zoning has anything to do with keeping outsiders from buying property.The interrelation I see between upzoning & preventing outsiders from buying property/apartments is that the Hasidim support liberal zoning because they have an interest in affordable housing for Hasidic families. If they didn't have mechanisms to keep news about new developments within their communities without breaking Fair Housing laws, they'd oppose upzoning, because the new housing would generally become expensive and full of people who buy market rate on the general condo market, and new development would thus cause the dilution of their communities.Of course, my personal opinion is that the rest of New York has a lot to learn from the Hasidic enclaves— if the politics lined up so the city were upzoned in general, there would be a lot of development, but it would be relatively diffused onto underdeveloped lots around the city, rather than in the aggressive waves of money where neighborhoods are built up to their zoning envelope and then little more development happens (especially because the new affluent residents often have the political suction to get a neighborhood downzoned, declared historic, or both). And this would result in the same abundant housing supply for everyone that works to keep family-sized apartments affordable for Hasidic families.But get the Flatbush Jewish architects to design the buildings. They're much nicer than most of what I see in Crown Heights & South Williamsburg/New Williamsburg. -
As a result of the mtg being rescheduled, I've created a new thread: http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/45186/cb9-ulurp-mtg-rescheduled-for-feb-4th
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