722 Nostrand (near Park Place) to become bar and restaurant run by Bearded Lady operators

whynot_31 · October 2013

Epiclylaterd said:

The space I mentioned earlier in this thread, 722 Nostrand next to Secrets, is looking for a commercial tenant.

whynot_31 · December 2014

Heads up.... A yet-to-be-named entity has begun the process of getting a liquor lic for this site.

It would be a full lic. We will learn more on January 5, at 6:30 at the CB8 subcommittee.

It is presently for lease: http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18639403/722-Nostrand-Ave-Brooklyn-NY/?LinkCode=10850&SourceCode=1lww2t006a00001&;

Click thru for pre-renovation photos

whynot_31 · January 2015

Said entity didn't show up on Jan 5, but says they will appear on Feb 2nd.

They would like to use their backyard as part of the request.

homeowner · January 2015

Wonder what kind of pushback they will get, with Secrets being just a few doors away? Also, isn't that backyard less than 500 feet from the school?

whynot_31 · January 2015

It is actually next door to Secrets.
And, yes, the backyard is less than 500 feet from a school.

Aerial view:
http://goo.gl/maps/NoOXG

Here's how the NYS SLA will determine whether that is "too close":
http://www.nyc.gov/html/mancb3/downloads/cb3docs/sla-200-500ft-rule.pdf

Note, I had time to link said document, but didn't bother to actually read it.

homeowner · January 2015

So it looks like the school may not be a deal breaker, since they are on two different blocks, but the 500 ft rule prohibits them from being 500 feet from another establishment with a license and usually licenses get granted under that provision as exceptions only. Not sure what you'd need to show as an exception.

whynot_31 · January 2015

In my experience, new licenses are routinely given by the SLA for locations within 500 ft of each other.

The applicant just needs to have an additional hearing about how they will not be a detriment to the surrounding area. If the CB and/or the proprieter can convince the SLA it is in the public's interest, it is granted.

Here's propaganda from lawyers who help applicants in such hearings:

http://ny-liquor-license.com/ny-liquor-license-information/the-500-foot-rule/

In my experience, we are at least 8 months ahead of this bar becoming a reality. Here's a list of places near Nostrand that are much further along: http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/45137/nostrand-ave-2015-map/p1

Dawndew · January 2015

It is not about the back yard . It is about the front door and the linear footage to the school property line along the sidewalk. And it is good for the application that it is around the corner and not on the same sidewalk.

whynot_31 · February 2015

They showed up tonight at the CB8 subcommittee.

Including outdoor there will be 74 seats, 32 outdoor and 42 indoor.

There are 4 principals, and they have an existing bar, Bearded Lady on Washington Ave, which has no complaints against it.

They came with letters of support from several area businesses, but few from area residents. A lawyer accompanied them.

They will have full kitchen. Rear yard would close at 10 PM Sun - Th, and midnight on Fri and Sat. They would put sound absorbing materials back there. There would be no smoking in the yard.

They seek to close the indoor space at 4 AM, 7 Days a week. The committee supported same.

whynot_31 · February 2015

Sample menu, subject to change. "We will have a bigger kitchen and hope to serve more food than Bearded Lady". "We will have table service"

laura palmer · February 2015

This is excellent news! Bearded Lady is one of my favorite bars in the area, in part because of the light and airy parisian cafeteria style decor of the place. I look forward to seeing what they do here with their backyard! Also, the grilled cheese they served at bearded lady was delicious.

crownheightster · February 2015

Very exciting! A new bar will certainly improve the street scene on that stretch of Nostrand.

laura palmer · February 2015

It's a big space

whynot_31 · February 2015

....which will likely require an investment of several hundred thousand dollars to become a restaurant/bar.

laura palmer · February 2015

do landlords tend to provide a break on the rent/very long leases when spaces require that much renovation?

whynot_31 · February 2015

That depends upon the landlord.

...but suffice it to say that these are the types of tenants that the "landlords of Nostrand" have been waiting for, and why they have been willing to let their properties sit vacant for the past few years.

This is not some under capitalized dollar store....

laura palmer · February 2015

It's interesting how many of these new places are being opened by people who already have a succesful crown heights establishment a bit further west (crosby coffee, bearded lady, little zelda, breueueueklyn) - do you think it's somehow word of mouth among these business owners, that nows the time to make the move to Nostrand?

whynot_31 · February 2015

All savy businesses know their customer base. Bars have the advantage of being able to make conversation with "us" after we have had a few drinks.

This bar was savy enough to pursue a second location within the same CB, which helped it secure the CB's endorsement for a 4 AM closing time, 7 days a week.

whynot_31 · May 2015

Savy is spelled savvy.

This place appears still on track.

Lic was requested on on 5/18/2015, and is now in pending status

https://www.tran.sla.ny.gov/servlet/ApplicationServlet?pageName=com.ibm.nysla.data.publicquery.PublicQuerySuccessfulResultsPage&validated=true&serialNumber=1286150&licenseType=OP

prospectnostrand · May 2015

Any chance this has an effect on Secrets? IE: ceases to exist? That place is a nightmare.

crownheightster · May 2015

I am shocked that CB 8 endorses Secrets. Seems to attract a lot of trouble.

whynot_31 · May 2015

Existence of a business is not necessarily correlated to a CB8 endorsement.

whynot_31 · July 2015

BTW, a closer read of the pending alcohol lic makes it clear they are having fun with the name of their corporations:

Ward Cleaver's Fun Machine
(a reference to a 1950s TV show)

Tiger Downs Holding Co

Trade Name: Super Power

pragmaticguy · July 2015

Ward Cleaver was the dad in the show "Leave It to Beaver." He was played by Hugh Beaumont.

whynot_31 · July 2015

Yup.

tsarina · July 2015

All praise to the lord for more good restaurant choices on Nostrand

laura palmer · November 2015

License still pending, even though it was applied for in May. Seems like a lonnnng time to wait!

whynot_31 · November 2015

For a space this size, NYS SLA can't grant a permit until the facility has a public assembly permit, which requires fire detection systems, and whatnot.

...hence, it is the last step in an often time consuming process.

whynot_31 · March 2016

To wit, this permit was approved this week:

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=1&passjobnumber=321325703&passdocnumber=01

"FILING PREPARED TO OBTAIN THE NEW CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, NEW DOOR TO THE REAR YARD AND NEW DECORATIVE WALL IN THE REAR YARD."

jdkanuck · April 2016

Walked by the bar yesterday. Here is a pic I took of the progress.

whynot_31 · April 2016

That's is looking pretty close to being done!

Next step: finish process with SLA!

722 Nostrand (near Park Place) to become bar and restaurant run by Bearded Lady operators

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