Central Crown Heights/Lower Bed Sty sub-way station the Pits - C train
We recently moved to central Crown Heights - from Franklin area to Kingston. Before that we were in Gramercy.... The subway at Kingston-Throop (C train) is really sub-par. It doesn't have the upgraded electronic notification to inform when trains are coming etc. Why should Manhattan get all the love with the new upgrades?
We want upgrades in C. Crown Heights/South Bedsty too.
Who does one write to if I wanted to send a complaint?
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Countdown clocks are only available on the A division (numbered trains). It is coming to the B division (lettered trains)... eventually, after a multi-billion dollar signal upgrade throughout the system, to replace the giant clanking 1930s machines still in use.Write to Cuomo, who runs the MTA and doesn't properly fund its capital program. He will say, "haha, not like you fuckers are ever voting anything other than Democratic, why don't you buy a car? You can drive it over the new Tappan Zee Bridge I'm shitting money into."
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While Cuomo may be shitting money into the Tappan Zee, there is a valid reason for it..."For the record, the New York State Thruway Authority, which controls the Tappan Zee, insists the bridge is in no immediate danger of falling down. But the 140,000 or so people who travel daily across the seven-lane span, which was built to handle a fraction of that traffic load, can be forgiven for having their doubts. The Tappan Zee routinely sheds chunks of concrete, like so much dandruff, into the river below. Engineering assessments have found that everything from steel corrosion to earthquakes to maritime accidents could cause major, perhaps catastrophic, damage to the span. Last July, one of Governor Cuomo’s top aides referred to the Tappan Zee as the “hold-your-breath bridge.”
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Countdown clocks are only available on the A division (numbered trains). It is coming to the B division (lettered trains)... eventually, after a multi-billion dollar signal upgrade throughout the system, to replace the giant clanking 1930s machines still in use.
Right. This isn't a Manhattan Vs. Brooklyn issue. This is a letter vs. number issue.Write to Cuomo, who runs the MTA and doesn't properly fund its capital program. He will say, "haha, not like you fuckers are ever voting anything other than Democratic, why don't you buy a car? You can drive it over the new Tappan Zee Bridge I'm shitting money into."
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If this article is still right, we've got one year to go until we get a much nicer C experience.
http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2012/03/new-c-trains-coming-but-it-will-take-four-years/
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Except for the L train. The L has countdown clocks too.Countdown clocks are only available on the A division (numbered trains). It is coming to the B division (lettered trains)... eventually, after a multi-billion dollar signal upgrade throughout the system, to replace the giant clanking 1930s machines still in use.
Right. This isn't a Manhattan Vs. Brooklyn issue. This is a letter vs. number issue.Write to Cuomo, who runs the MTA and doesn't properly fund its capital program. He will say, "haha, not like you fuckers are ever voting anything other than Democratic, why don't you buy a car? You can drive it over the new Tappan Zee Bridge I'm shitting money into."
I'd like to have those electronic information kiosks to come to more Brooklyn stations (besides Atlantic Avenue). -
the C train is easily the worst train in brooklyn, far worse than the G.
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But this is not new."Up until 2012, the C held the title of worst line for four years in a row, according to an annual report card from the organization’s ally, the Straphangers Campaign."
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While Cuomo may be shitting money into the Tappan Zee, there is a valid reason for it...
You can fix a bridge as opposed to building a new one. Or bulid a new one without adding 10,000 lanes."For the record, the New York State Thruway Authority, which controls the Tappan Zee, insists the bridge is in no immediate danger of falling down. But the 140,000 or so people who travel daily across the seven-lane span, which was built to handle a fraction of that traffic load, can be forgiven for having their doubts. The Tappan Zee routinely sheds chunks of concrete, like so much dandruff, into the river below. Engineering assessments have found that everything from steel corrosion to earthquakes to maritime accidents could cause major, perhaps catastrophic, damage to the span. Last July, one of Governor Cuomo’s top aides referred to the Tappan Zee as the “hold-your-breath bridge.”
Ah well. Nothing I can do about it. The new bike lane will make for some great riding possibilities. -
The L train is special because it doesn't have track connections to any of the other lines, and so can do its own thing signalwise (there is technically a connection to the Broadway el, but they don't ever use that). The other B division lines are vast and tangled web, even compared to the A division lines, which are just a bunch of branches of two trunk lines.
Except for the L train. The L has countdown clocks too.Countdown clocks are only available on the A division (numbered trains). It is coming to the B division (lettered trains)... eventually, after a multi-billion dollar signal upgrade throughout the system, to replace the giant clanking 1930s machines still in use.
Right. This isn't a Manhattan Vs. Brooklyn issue. This is a letter vs. number issue.Write to Cuomo, who runs the MTA and doesn't properly fund its capital program. He will say, "haha, not like you fuckers are ever voting anything other than Democratic, why don't you buy a car? You can drive it over the new Tappan Zee Bridge I'm shitting money into."I'd like to have those electronic information kiosks to come to more Brooklyn stations (besides Atlantic Avenue).Dunno what the point of the electronic info stations is if you're not a tourist. -
@ehgee -
The new TZ bridge only adds 1 lane, and a bike/ped path.The current bridge is 7 lanes, and has no bike/ped path:The new bridge will be 8 lanes plus shared bike/ped path:It is a good time to be a capital projects contractor (Skanska, Slattery, China Construction America, Schiavone, Picone, etc.) -
Four lanes in each direction plus a shoulder and a mysterious striped area:Or, 12 lanes total as soon as they decide to do a new paintjob, versus the current seven. Basically, 2x the bridge.
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@ehgee, the bridge was designed to only last 50 years. It was built as a temporary bridge with the thought that when the state was flush it would rebuild it properly. Unfortunately, the state was never flush after it was completed. It's falling down. I worked in Albany almost 20 years ago, and what I learned about the bridge then caused me to stop driving over it. I'm talking holes in the bridge that you could drop a small farm animal through. I can't imagine how bad it is now.Not putting countdown clocks on the C train isn't going to endanger anyone's life. Not replacing that bridge is basically consigning a lot of people to a horrible death when it falls into the Hudson.
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The trick will be to make that extra space on the TZ become BRT/SBS lanes.Protip: Promise the rivertowns that the buses will not bring additional people to "their" Hudson river Metro North line.
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There is an information kiosk at 14th Street Union Square on the N/Q/R lines that at least attempts to tell you how long until the next train arrives - the N/Q/R/4/5/6/L. That's what I want.Dunno what the point of the electronic info stations is if you're not a tourist. -
Those are just the scheduled train times for N/Q/R. I find they give you an idea of how frequently the train is running but no idea when it will arrive.
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Those are just the scheduled train times for N/Q/R. I find they give you an idea of how frequently the train is running but no idea when it will arrive.
right. Things they SHOULD do:- give service updates from the MTA website for all of the lines- show where trains are on the subway map. No WAY do they not have that. I can see that for buses but not for trains?? come on... -
I can think of lots of good points for electronic info. Example: when everyone was frantically trying to squeeze themselves into a wall of people when everyone was trying to get home last Monday before the "blizzard"...then it was good to see that the next train was only 1 minute away. Thankfully, no one else paid attention, and I got on a half empty train. Yay.
And, yeah they should really report interruptions and such, and scheduled and not scheduled. -
Busses are above ground, so GPS and cell signals are relatively easy to install on a bus:Those are just the scheduled train times for N/Q/R. I find they give you an idea of how frequently the train is running but no idea when it will arrive.
right. Things they SHOULD do:- give service updates from the MTA website for all of the lines- show where trains are on the subway map. No WAY do they not have that. I can see that for buses but not for trains?? come on... -
Busses are above ground, so GPS and cell signals are relatively easy to install on a bus:Those are just the scheduled train times for N/Q/R. I find they give you an idea of how frequently the train is running but no idea when it will arrive.
right. Things they SHOULD do:- give service updates from the MTA website for all of the lines- show where trains are on the subway map. No WAY do they not have that. I can see that for buses but not for trains?? come on... -
The Tappen Zee spans the Hudson river at one of the widest points because of rotten politics. It was a bad design to begin with and we are still paying the price of that. It's as close to the city as can be while just outside of the purview of the Port Authority which means that all tolls go to Albany.
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Here's a place to take your C train concerns: Riders Alliance is hosting a C train think tank tonight at Brooklyn Movement Center in Bed-Stuy. http://salsa.ridersny.org/p/salsa/event/common/public/?event_KEY=80582&utm_content=bufferd3371&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer#
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Just out of curiosity, does it really matter if the train is coming in two minutes or ten minutes? Once you're down in the station you're stuck there anyhow. Wouldn't it be better if that info was displayed somewhere BEFORE you paid the fare? For those who smoke they could finish their cigarette or whatever. For the few times I take the LIRR the train info isn't displayed until I get into the station. Now, I've already paid for the ticket which is taken on the train but if the info was displayed outside maybe I could hit the ATM or get a newspaper. Once I get into the station I can look down the track, if I see the lights of the train I know it's coming. If I don't then it's too far away.
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Just out of curiosity, does it really matter if the train is coming in two minutes or ten minutes? Once you're down in the station you're stuck there anyhow. Wouldn't it be better if that info was displayed somewhere BEFORE you paid the fare? For those who smoke they could finish their cigarette or whatever. For the few times I take the LIRR the train info isn't displayed until I get into the station. Now, I've already paid for the ticket which is taken on the train but if the info was displayed outside maybe I could hit the ATM or get a newspaper. Once I get into the station I can look down the track, if I see the lights of the train I know it's coming. If I don't then it's too far away.
I've been thinking exactly the same thing. If they had digital displays outside of the station, right before you go down the stairs into the station, that would be sooo much more useful.
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Right now they have digital service advisaries outside of certain stations in Manhattan (i.e. whether a line has "good service" or whether there are delays). I'd love to have that too. That way if the Brighton Line is messed up, I can turn right around and go take the IRT without waiting for the Franklin Avenue shuttle.Just out of curiosity, does it really matter if the train is coming in two minutes or ten minutes? Once you're down in the station you're stuck there anyhow. Wouldn't it be better if that info was displayed somewhere BEFORE you paid the fare? For those who smoke they could finish their cigarette or whatever. For the few times I take the LIRR the train info isn't displayed until I get into the station. Now, I've already paid for the ticket which is taken on the train but if the info was displayed outside maybe I could hit the ATM or get a newspaper. Once I get into the station I can look down the track, if I see the lights of the train I know it's coming. If I don't then it's too far away.
I've been thinking exactly the same thing. If they had digital displays outside of the station, right before you go down the stairs into the station, that would be sooo much more useful. -
I think I would fix the "turnstile programming glitch" before I put countdown clocks outside of stations.
The Turnstile Programming Glitch is when it tells you to "please swipe again", "please swipe again" and then says "farecare just used".
I use a monthly card and this happens to me about once every 3 months, and I now carry a back up metrocard card.
This allows me to pay a fare instead having to be penalized 20 minutes for a ride I never took. -
Just out of curiosity, does it really matter if the train is coming in two minutes or ten minutes? Once you're down in the station you're stuck there anyhow. Wouldn't it be better if that info was displayed somewhere BEFORE you paid the fare? For those who smoke they could finish their cigarette or whatever. For the few times I take the LIRR the train info isn't displayed until I get into the station. Now, I've already paid for the ticket which is taken on the train but if the info was displayed outside maybe I could hit the ATM or get a newspaper. Once I get into the station I can look down the track, if I see the lights of the train I know it's coming. If I don't then it's too far away.
It doesn't matter if it's two or 10 minutes, but past that it does. If I've gotten off the A at Nostrand and it's going to be more than 10 minutes before the next C train is coming, then I know I should start walking toward Kingston. (I've been able to make decisions like that at Franklin on the 2,3,4,5 because they have countdown clocks -- so if there's a huge wait for the next 3, I can decide to take a 4 and walk back from Utica or the 2/5 and walk from President.)Plus I have an unlimited Metrocard, so even if I've already paid to go into a station I might still change course. But outside displays would help too. -
@pragmaticguy and @mcpoet, I remember reading an article (maybe in New York mag, but I'm not sure) about the psychological benefit of those countdown clocks. Apparently, people tend to overestimate the amount of time they are waiting, and find a concrete, specific number of minutes much easier to deal with than a vague, unspecified amount of time. Plus, on a more practical level it helps to know if the train is delayed if you have the option of taking another route, or knowing another train is coming in a minute if the one at the platform is overcrowded.
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Yes, this is true....but once you've already paid the fare most times you're stuck with the route you've already chosen and this is why I stated that if there's going to be a clock then it should be outside before you pay the fare.
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On the numbered trains, you can easily get that info on a smartphone.Everyone may not have a smartphone today, but the MTA invests on decades-long timescales, and everyone will have a smartphone implanted into their forehead in a decade.
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