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New building at Atlantic and Nostrand, Long Island, why SBS is lousy, DHS clients during the day — Brooklynian

New building at Atlantic and Nostrand, Long Island, why SBS is lousy, DHS clients during the day

whynot_31
whynot_31
edited March 2015 in Fort Greene, Clinton Hill, Bed-Stuy
The long neglected Nostrand Avenue LIRR stop is receiving a rehab, and plans have just been filed for this building. The stretch of Nostrand between Atlantic and Fulton is already changing, and this will push the process along.

Here is a view of what is there now: http://goo.gl/maps/0o27l

http://newyorkyimby.com/2015/03/revealed-1247-atlantic-avenue-bed-stuy.html

1247 Atlantic Avenue

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Comments

  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    Nice.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited March 2015
    This intersection has so many transportation options that it is going to get pretty tall, pretty quickly: SBS, Shuttle, A/C, LIRR, etc

    Triple pane windows for the win.
  • pragmaticguy
    pragmaticguy
    A bigger win would be underground parking. And there's no one going to be commuting to Manhattan from the LIRR stop because that only goes as far as Atlantic Terminal unless of course people are traveling in the other direction so the subway around there looks quite good.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited March 2015
    1. Given the boom that downtown Brooklyn is experiencing, one can just commute there.

    2. Literally thousands of people living east of Jamaica take LIRR to Atlantic Terminal, and then transfer to the 2/3/4/5/B/D/Q , because getting to lower Manhattan via this method is quicker than going through Penn Station.
  • pragmaticguy
    pragmaticguy
    Yes....but they're not living in Brooklyn. It's doubtful that anyone living in this building would take the LIRR one stop to Atlantic Terminal and then switch to the subway.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    I expect them take the Nostrand A/C on Fulton, or (in the event that it ever reaches its potential) the SBS bus.

    ...they will use LIRR to get to the LI beaches.
  • mugofmead111
    mugofmead111
    This location would make a reverse commute to Long Island feasible.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    For about a year, I worked in Jamaica and took LIRR from Atlantic to Jamaica everyday.

    It was a little expensive, but lovely. The trains were empty and ran every 15 min.

  • homeowner
    homeowner
    No one is taking the SBS bus to connect to the train. First of all, it doesn't actually stop at the train station. You have either a two or three block walk to the 3, 2 or 5 train. If you're here and you are heading into lower Manhattan, its easier to simply take the A/C and change at Fulton or deeper in Manhattan  for the west side trains. Taking the SBS and then getting on any of the BMT trains just isn't quicker than the short walk to the A/C and then a train ride all the way. Same thing going in the opposite direction. You aren't taking SBS north to connect to any train going towards Williamsburg. 
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited March 2015
    The B44 SBS is pretty useless as it is presently configured. In the event that it ever gets its act together, it won't be used to get to a train, but to an actual destination.
  • pragmaticguy
    pragmaticguy
    Problem with the LIRR is that the trains don't stop near the beaches so it's at least a cab or bus ride from the stations. In addition, Nassau County buses run hourly or less and the ones that stop at the beaches are always full. Better to take the B44 to the junction and get on the bus to Riis Park.
    By the way, Suffolk County buses don't run much better.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited March 2015
    Long Island is a disaster on many fronts.

    Their poor transportation system and nice beaches are likely part of the reason I continue to keep in contact with my fellow graduate students from University at Stony Brook.

    In exchange for a few bottles of wine, they pick Ms Whynot and I up at LIRR train stations, take us to the beach with their town pass and then allow us to eat BBQ in their backyard, while I feign interest in the accomplishments of their children.

    Only 3 months more to go.

  • jjff
    jjff
    edited March 2015
    I'm all for development wherever we can get it so I feel a little bad saying this. I've lived in various neighborhoods of Brooklyn for almost a decade, including further east on Malcolm X. This 2-block stretch of Nostrand from Atlantic to Fulton was my most dreaded walk- filled with people that would ruin my day. It's the only time I, a 6'3" muscular guy, have been grabbed, had someone block my way unless I gave him money, and asked for money about once a week or two (in the summer at least). Even girls I've dated requested I wait for them at the A/C so we can walk together to my apartment  rather than walking alone. South of Atlantic, Nostrand is more "civil" (as well as north up into BedStuy) but man, I just despised this particular stretch with a passion when I lived there last year.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited March 2015
    @jjff -
    Are you familiar with the tiny street known as Herkimer Place?
    streetview: http://goo.gl/maps/KGWQb

    The large shelter at Bedford and Atlantic tells the men to leave during the day, and (especially in the summer) they hang out literally by the dozens on Herkimer Place and in the surrounding area.

    Some play dominos, some smoke crack, some aggressively panhandle, some stare into space...

    As a result of the city's need for supportive housing, many of these guys have been in this routine for months (perhaps years), and know each other quite well. So, you are wise to walk those dates home.

  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    All reasons I rarely ever venture north of Atlantic. For me, my neighborhood ends at Atlantic Ave. Yesterday I walked up to Nostrand and Halsey to visit Breuekelen Cellars for a nice bottle of wine. I was aggressively followed and asked for money until I walked into the Foodtown. Not a pleasant experience. And frankly, if I want a nice bottle of wine, it is probably faster for me to go to wino(t) on Franklin, rather than having to deal with the A/C crowds, the construction, and the panhandlers.  I also noticed that in addition to the KFC and the McDonalds, there is now a Burger King at the Nostrand/Fulton Junction. I hate this intersection. 
  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    All reasons I rarely ever venture north of Atlantic. For me, my neighborhood ends at Atlantic Ave. Yesterday I walked up to Nostrand and Halsey to visit Breuekelen Cellars for a nice bottle of wine. I was aggressively followed and asked for money until I walked into the Foodtown. Not a pleasant experience. And frankly, if I want a nice bottle of wine, it is probably faster for me to go to wino(t) on Franklin, rather than having to deal with the A/C crowds, the construction, and the panhandlers.  I also noticed that in addition to the KFC and the McDonalds, there is now a Burger King at the Nostrand/Fulton Junction. I hate this intersection. 
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited March 2015
    While not all of the men being described likely originate at the shelter, my sense is that a large portion of them do.

    In a way, it is as if the adjoining neighborhoods get the burden of the deal.

    The men are "moved along" by the Dept of Homeless Services police if they congregate right around the shelter, and have historically been tolerated across Atlantic on the very desolate Herkimer Place.

    ...coincidently in a different precinct (the 79th) and community district (3)?

    It isn't hard to argue that CB8 and the 77th got the better deal.

    http://www.brooklyncb16.org/maps/
  • basketballfan
    basketballfan
    wow

  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    I don't understand why the Armory can't let the men stay throughout the day. They must know that the men who hang around the neighborhood don't really have anywhere to go and are not necessarily being productive.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited March 2015

    When one runs an institution, one wants to give the residents and the staff as many breaks from each other as possible.  Without such breaks, one gets the dynamics that come with a locked facility.

    As a result, there are degrees of discretion/freedom possessed by the residents and the staff:

    In inclement weather, the men are usually allowed to stay during the day.

    In nice weather, the men who can leave, often want to leave.    Also, men who do not necessarily want to leave are often encouraged to leave anyway.    The severally disabled usually do not have to leave.

    Beyond these degrees of discretion, the residents have rights that have been defined by lawsuits which are pretty well described here:  http://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/uploads/2014/07/PeoplesCallahan2014.pdf

  • ehgee
    ehgee
    edited March 2015
    Good location for a commute to Manhattan on the A/C as well as going to the Rockaways to surf. The Nostrand stop seems like one of the better ones in eastern/central Brooklyn.

    Perhaps good for a stereotypical Google employee coming from California? Hip neighborhood, 20 minutes to the office, 40 minutes to the beach.
  • Bicycle_Roots
    Bicycle_Roots
    edited March 2015
    *edited*
  • Bicycle_Roots
    Bicycle_Roots
    @jjff -
    Are you familiar with the tiny street known as Hekimer Place?
    streetview: http://goo.gl/maps/KGWQb

    The large shelter at Bedford and Atlantic tells the men to leave during the day, and (especially in the summer) they hang out literally by the dozens on Hekimer Place and in the surrounding area.

    Some play dominos, some smoke crack, some aggressively panhandle, some stare into space...

    As a result of the city's need for supportive housing, many of these guys have been in this routine for months (perhaps years), and know each other quite well. So, you are wise to walk those dates home.
    Ugh, yes, Herkimer Place. Only place in the city where I've ever stepped in human poop.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
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  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    Worst block ever. 
  • catfriend
    catfriend
    Huh, I haven't had such bad experiences on Nostrand between Atlantic - Fulton as you guys. As a girl I always get cat-called there worse than in other places, but nothing menacing. Admittedly, I haven't spent much time there at night -- I'm usually hitting up the A train to the Rockaways for early surfing. 

    I actually really like the neighborhood's vibrancy and food options. Would definitely live there! 
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