Franklin and Union--not a new coffee shop. (Union St Pub)

Which bars does he own?

Fulton Grand and Fourth Avenue Pub?

A bar with a backyard on this south side of Franklin is exciting. I'm confused as to which space they are applying for. I don't recall any being vacant except the corner spot, unless they're taking over someone else's lease.

I just confirmed they wish to lease the corner spots this thread is already dedicated to.

Somehow, it can access the building's inner courtyard.

Fourth Avenue Pub may have a boring name, but the folks have been opening dependable, if less-than-flashy flashy beer bars (Fulton Grand, Washington Commons, etc.) for many moons.

I wonder how the tenants of the building will react to them using the courtyard.

It'd be difficult in a building like that to use the courtyard. Maybe they can use the sidewalk space in the front? The side on Union is definitely wide enough. I can't think of other businesses that have used inner courtyards of those big pre wars. When it's the backyard of a small building, you only need to please a few tenants. In this case, a lot of apartments will be facing the courtyard and I'm sure they wouldn't all be happy.

Their three other bars have outdoor spaces (two backyard and one sidewalk), so they'll probably try to make it work somehow.

CB9 voted to support the request. I think the vote was 21-13.

Some of the "no" voters stated that their rationale was that it would make the corner less safe.

Union Franklin One is being created by some of the same principals that are creating this bar in Bushwick:

https://www.tran.sla.ny.gov/servlet/ApplicationServlet?pageName=com.ibm.nysla.data.publicquery.PublicQuerySuccessfulResultsPage&validated=true&serialNumber=1285216&licenseType=OP

This businesses will likely target similar demographics.

I find it difficult to attribute the area's local crime scene (which consists of pretty open drug dealing and somewhat frequent shootings) to the former businesses on this corner. They seemed to cater to women seeking braids, and people seeking low price bags, socks and hats.

I find it difficult to attribute the area's local crime scene (which consists of pretty open drug dealing and somewhat frequent shootings) to the former businesses on this corner. They seemed to cater to women seeking braids, and people seeking low price bags, socks and hats.

I don't think anyone's saying those businesses cause crime— just that they close at, say, 7 or 9PM so their proprietors can go home, and then they're nothing but a closed roll-down gate.

Whereas a bar will stay open until 2AM or so, with customers sitting near the windows or on the sidewalk with cell phones, ready to call 911 if they notice something amiss. Eyes on the Street, per Jane Jacobs.

When people are concerned by a bar making the area less safe, I'm assuming they are thinking of instances where similar businesses have atttacted trouble. For example, quite a few people on here seem to think 95 South has attracted its fair share of drama.

There are also liquor stores and bodegas that at least tolerate shady people hanging out in front. I don't feel comfortable with the many guys who hang around the bodega between EP and Union on Franklin (close to Owl & Thistle). Several of them frequently harass women who walk by and their conversations make me uncomfortable. The owner tolerates and entertains them. It's one of the few bodegas in the area that still has bulletproof glass, which perhaps says something.

So while most businesses don't cause crime, I do think certain businesses can in one way or another influence the safety or perceived safety of the area around it.

Construction has begun on the storefront that will become a bar.

This will be great for this stretch of Franklin.  Agree with Brooklyneya more eyes and ears here will benefit everyone.

Let's have more eyes and ears further south too (looking at the stretch between President and Carroll).

There are a couple of guys who hang out on the northwest corner of Frankin and Union in the morning. They stand towards Union, kind of peaking out. Anyone else notice them? I assume they are drug dealers. I see them frequently in that same spot.

Maybe it's all just coincidence, but-- they stand right around the corner towards Union, appearing to kind of peek out to Franklin every now and then. I've seen them in the same spot many, many times. They are out there when lots of the high school kids are heading to school and hanging out. A bunch of times there was a guy in front of that yellow bodega between Union and EP who seemed to be standing there "on the look out" exchanging glances with them. It happened several days back to back with the same people in the same location. My work schedule changed so I missed it for awhile then went back to that time for a few days months later and the same guys were around at the same spot. It's a barren corner, so there doesn't seem to be a good reason why they'd just be hanging out there every morning.

Again, maybe it's all in my head, but not sure why I'd get that sense. I don't think I'm very paranoid in general nor quick to judge. Maybe it's not drugs, but there's something weird about them.