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"indigenous" person objects to attitude of white newcomers - Page 2 — Brooklynian

"indigenous" person objects to attitude of white newcomers

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  • bklyn50 - here in the Twin Cities much of the assimilation that  Hispanics do is with Scandinavians.  Therefore, it likely all depends on where people come and go.
  • As posted earlier, I agree with @mcpoet.

    But that doesn't stop the threats to my life, and that of my family, as I go through the world as a black man.

    When I come out of my house and walk to my car, a house I have lived in for almost four decades, and see a woman (not of color) act as if my presence is threatening, then I wonder why the heck you even moved here.

    Because your fear, makes me fearful and angry.

    If you don't understand that emotion coming from me as a black man, just remember that one of my earliest experiences with race in the USA (for a person my age), and the results it can have for black men, was seeing Emmett Till, in his casket, on the cover of Jet magazine.

    Many years later, when I met Mrs. Till (shortly before her death) at the release of the book detailing the lynching of her son, it was clear to me that the issue of racism (institutional and otherwise) could never begin to be reconciled until there was a national "truth and reconciliation court" similar to South Africa's.

    The contemporary expression of that is "Black Lives Matter".
    When black and brown, and red, and yellow people get the same level of discretion in being scrutinized, sanctioned and jailed, as well the benefits of good educationed and housing as their white counterparts, then we can truly say
    "ALL LIVES MATTER".

    Three of four years ago, there was a movie that was made about gentrication in Crown Heights. It was screened on St. Johns between Franklin and Classon Avenues.
    When the presenters opened the screening for audience comments and questions, I shared something that I had learned in the late 60s: that Downtown Brooklyn was always slated to be the processing center for the large banks. Also, after the lack of investment in Central Brooklyn brought down the value of housing stock, there would be a massive re-investment in the community. Who knew that there would also be a massive financial crash, making loan money almost free for "the Masters of the Universe" to come and invest in the previously ravaged sections of the city, where the poor and disadvantaged had been forced to live. Persons who were ravaged by the epidemic of heroin and crack, after surviving that onslaught, without adequate means to heal their population. Those persons and their families were subjected to mass incarceration. The person who forecast the reallocation of resources in Brooklyn was a manager of an "Urban Renewal" site; Fulton Park, to be exact. He said that he learned this lesson in the 50s. The catch phrase he used as a mnemonic was that "Urban Renewal is just another name for Negro Removal". A white housing expert I met years later echoed this catch phrase, acknowledging it as a shameful but institutional policy.

    So @mcpoet is correct as he cites the "system" (i.e. management companies and real estate barons) the fault may lie in the choices made as to who shapes NYC. The sliming of Mayor Dinkins, followed up by the election of a Trump-like Guiliani, who in turned was followed by billionaire Mayor Bloomberg is surely a disaster for people in a lower socio-economic bracket. It has, and continues to be, wildly profitable for "the system"

    History has taught me with countless examples, (see Robber Barons, oil industry, assassination of Thabo Mbeki in South Africa) that the monied interests are always manipulating a core part of the people,in such a way as to create the enmity which @mcpoet excellently describes.

    But it is not displacement or transference when a person RECOGNIZES that they are being acted upon (through no active or passive measures on that persons part) by forces who are depriving them of their attempts to improve their humanity. The immediate history of the past three decades in NYC point to the phenomenon we are talking about here are also occurring in Bushwick, Brownsville, East New York, Harlem, the South Bronx.

    While these cash/land grabs are accompanied by groups of people are manipulated into fear, there is never a real examination of exactly how things got to be so bad, and why, inspite of some attempts, they never really get fixed.

    p.s. Just for contemporary context, examine how the onslaught of heroin, oxycontin and other drugs, and the crime that they bring, is being handled in New England, a region that is almost 100% white
  • A recent discussion on WNYC.org about Ta-Nehisi Coates new book "Between the World and Me" was discussed today.

    One of the guests was from the Weeksville Center, here in Crown Heights.
    The discussion was short and left a lot more to be discussed.

    http://www.thetakeaway.org/story/takeaway-book-club-coates/

    Some of the topic had the flavor of some of my comments (and possibly @mcpoet; that person has the right to speak for themselves)
  • @bklyn50

    We may want to discuss that the phenomena of gentrification is not merely affecting NYC. It seems to be happening in many cities throughout the country.

    [I'll leave discussions of how it is shaping up throughout the world for another day].

    Much of Washington DC, parts of Philadelphia, and most of Boston come readily to mind as "benefitting" from the changes, whereas cities like Detroit MI, Reading PA and Akron OH suffer.

    In each situation, the "benefitting phenomena" is pretty similar: Young, fortunate, often light skinned people move to a neighborhood that is presently older, less fortunate and often darker skinned.

    In the cities that are suffering, the opposite happens: The young, fortunate, often like skinned, flee the neighborhood/city.

    As a result, the demographics (and all of the things that are closely to tied to demographics) of the localities change.

    I can't see the phenomena changing until:
    All areas of the country are equally attractive in terms of employment and social opportunities,
    AND
    All people within the country have same opportunities, level of achievement and wealth.

    I see neither occurring.

    I also don't see the de-industrialization of America stopping anytime soon.

    I also don't see many of political leaders of US cities taking actions that preserve their present racial and income demgraphics when offerred the opportunities for greater tax revenue and fewer expenses.

    All of which is to say, I foresee the present trends of selective urbanization/gentrification continuing and accelerating during my lifetime.
  • mcpoet
    edited August 2015
    @bklyn50-- Well said.  I don't think anyone who hasn't lived through something like that can truly appreciate what it is to live through everything that black Americans have been subjected to over the centuries (especially those who lived during the pre-civil rights era).  I think that's the key here, to listen to each other and defer to each other's lived experiences.  Also, to try to give each other the benefit of the doubt and acknowledge that it's very difficult to live in a racist society and not be at least somewhat affected by that.  No one is born a racist.  But how many times does a black child hear the n-word pass through white lips before concluding that white people will be hostile towards you and are not to be trusted? Inversely, how many times can you be treated like the enemy and threatened as a result of things that don't really have anything to do with you, before you start to see those accusing you as the enemy, or at the very least, to become a bit more indifferent to the legitimate grievances behind those accusations.  A lot of it comes down the assumptions we make about each other as a result of skin color, which by definition is itself racist.  So white people assume that black people are criminals, lazy, etc.  And people of color assume that white people are racist, unfriendly, have trust funds, etc.  Both are grounded in the reality in which we live, but both also leave us with no real way of moving forward because we've reduced the "other" to a caricature.  So the person who views black people as criminals probably needs to consider how hundreds of years of oppression and specifically targeting that population has effectively demonized and criminalized entire communities, how biased policing has undermined the very fabric of black families and the black community.  And inversely, the person who thinks that the white person on the block is just an unfriendly asshole needs to consider that there might be reasons why that person isn't so friendly.  Once you look at the broader context it's easier to recognize each other's humanity, but psychologically, as human beings, we're not big fans of complexity (especially when it comes to race, where we practically insist on seeing things in black and white).  We're hard wired to be cognitive misers, quick to try to generalize, to draw on heuristics and other mental shortcuts to simplify an overwhelming world, to literally and figuratively see the world in black and white.  The reality is though, we'd all be better served by acknowledging that most of the world is shades of gray and that our attempts to oversimplify it (not that we're generally consciously aware that we're doing that) tend to be counterproductive, and often feed into the very problems that we're purporting to try to solve.  

    I haven't read Coates' book yet, but I'm definitely planning on giving it a read.  A number of my friends have highly recommended it, and I've always enjoyed reading his columns.
  • @whynot_31

    The process of gentrification is getting an excellent review right now on the 10 year anniversary of Hurricane Katrina and the subsequent failing of the levees.
  • whynot_31
    edited August 2015
    Indeed.

    New Orleans certainly fits into what I wrote above: "I also don't see many of political leaders of US cities taking actions that preserve their present racial and income demgraphics when offerred the opportunities for greater tax revenue and fewer expenses."

    Here's some of the NYTs coverage: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/08/26/us/ten-years-after-katrina.html?_r=0

    For better or worse, the city pursued its' best interests.
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