Bergen Classon car break-ins.
I know a few of you live on this block, so I'm spreading the word. My car was broken into on Bergen between Grand and Classon- closer to Classon- yesterday. As the car was parked there all day I have absolutely no idea what time it happened, but don't think it could have been long. The asshole broke into my back window, went through all my stuff- took nothing but a two yr old dead cell phone. He opened the trunk, tossed all of my stuff on the  street and took nothing.
I called the cops when I saw this, which was around 10 last night. They took 40 mns to respond and when I stopped a patrolling officer to see if he could assist me with a report he was extremely rude, telling me "HEY- We didn't do this to you so calm down. Someone will eventually get here."
He called on his walkie-talkie thing and although he was speaking low I could hear that they had no one assigned to me, and he had to call someone to come, himself. When the officers finally arrived they were much nicer than the first cop, but told me everything all of you have been hearing.
"Why the hell did you move here? This is not a good place to live. The highest crime rate in the city is a few blocks down at the Albany projects. There's nowhere beyond Underhill that's safe to park your car. The urban pioneers are coming, but they're not here yet." And also, mine was the third car broken into on Bergen that day.
Extremely disheartening to hear.
Overall I'm really mystified that nothing of any value was taken... I don't get it because I left a pair of $300 shoes in the car... EZ Pass... a bunch of stuffi n the trunk that you would think someone would take for whatever reason. But nothing was taken except a two year old cell phone. I'm just concerned this is going to happen again- and next time I may not be so lucky to even find my car itself there.
Anyone have any good ideas on where I can park now that Bergens off limits? I live on St Marks & Classon.
I called the cops when I saw this, which was around 10 last night. They took 40 mns to respond and when I stopped a patrolling officer to see if he could assist me with a report he was extremely rude, telling me "HEY- We didn't do this to you so calm down. Someone will eventually get here."
He called on his walkie-talkie thing and although he was speaking low I could hear that they had no one assigned to me, and he had to call someone to come, himself. When the officers finally arrived they were much nicer than the first cop, but told me everything all of you have been hearing.
"Why the hell did you move here? This is not a good place to live. The highest crime rate in the city is a few blocks down at the Albany projects. There's nowhere beyond Underhill that's safe to park your car. The urban pioneers are coming, but they're not here yet." And also, mine was the third car broken into on Bergen that day.
Extremely disheartening to hear.
Overall I'm really mystified that nothing of any value was taken... I don't get it because I left a pair of $300 shoes in the car... EZ Pass... a bunch of stuffi n the trunk that you would think someone would take for whatever reason. But nothing was taken except a two year old cell phone. I'm just concerned this is going to happen again- and next time I may not be so lucky to even find my car itself there.
Anyone have any good ideas on where I can park now that Bergens off limits? I live on St Marks & Classon.
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I live on this block and have noticed LOTS of broken car window glass on the Classon end of the block over the past few months, so I'm assuming this has been going on for a while. Maybe it'll start getting a little better now that the new building on the corner is occupied; I think a large part of the problem is that that end of the block is so deserted.
There's a parking garage on Underhill between St. Marks and Prospect Place, and another one that's on St. Marks between Underhill and Bergen, I think? -
I don't know that block at all, but the block between Grand & Classon on Prospect seems relatively chill.
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"Why the hell did you move here? This is not a good place to live. The highest crime rate in the city is a few blocks down at the Albany projects. There's nowhere beyond Underhill that's safe to park your car. The urban pioneers are coming, but they're not here yet."
I think that you all are rediculous now. Every cop on the street is not saying the same thing. You read one person's post and now all of the cops are telling everyone in the hood that they shouldn't have moved here. PLEASE be more original.
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Hey squeegee,
Crimes that occured in the past as opposed to currently occuring are mostly all handled by the SP10 car. SP10 handles 5 jobs at a time and each one can reasonably take up to an hour to complete. If you were number 5 then you would potentially be looking at a 2 hour wait. They could be there in minutes but usually not. If you called 911 with a priority such as somebody being robbed or if you were just robbed, somebody presently trying to break into your home, a car accident with injuries then you would go to the top of the list. Unfortunately for you, your car being broken into some time in the past is not a priority in this city. -
Thanks a lot for clarifying how the police system works- that's helpful.
And I fully agree with the previous poster. It's becoming too repetitive that every police officer says "that we should have never moved here".
Let's be pro-active. Instead of just letting out frustrations in this forum give us the police officer's badge number and we will all call the police precinct to complain about this incident.
Thanks -
Hey, Guest, chill out.
Those are the exact words the cop said to me. It's not too cool to hear that, especcially after I told him I just bought in the neighborhood. You will notice I mentioned that the officers to came to assist were a million times nicer than the patrolling guy who stopped after I flagged him down.
I get that there are only a certain number of officers and there's a system for dealing with everything, and I know it wasn't a top priority... I just wish there was a little more of a positive attitude on their side, too. Is that really a lot to ask? -
Let's be honest...It's not a great neighborhood and many of the 77 cops have been dealing with the same garbage (in every sense of the word) day in and day for years. They see alot of good but misinformed people moving into a crappy high crime area and become victims. More to follow but it's time for diner.
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Squeege, I sympathize with your victimization, but why do you (or anybody that lives near a subway) own a car in nyc?
It's interesting to read how so many newcomers are getting a rude awakening to ghetto living. -
ParadeRest wrote: Let's be honest...It's not a great neighborhood and many of the 77 cops have been dealing with the same garbage (in every sense of the word) day in and day for years. They see alot of good but misinformed people moving into a crappy high crime area and become victims. More to follow but it's time for diner.
while the cops are right in questioning the streetwiseness (if the word exists) of new residents, don't you think that this mentality is indicative of the way they police the neighborhood and view the native community? i think it speaks volumes to the relationship between police and the people they're ostensibly protecting. -
young snitch wrote: while the cops are right in questioning the streetwiseness (if the word exists) of new residents, don't you think that this mentality is indicative of the way they police the neighborhood and view the native community? i think it speaks volumes to the relationship between police and the people they're ostensibly protecting.
Funny, I remember saying almost the same thing about a year ago in another thread.Carnivore wrote: Part of the problem is a ridiculous NYPD rule that doesn't let cops work in the neighborhood they live in. The result is an occupation force of thugs from Jersey and Long Island that hate the people they're supposed to be protecting.
http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=271 -
The City of Albany had a interesting program. Police officers (from any force city, county, or state) could live in public housing for $1 per month. The idea was to put them in the midst of all the action. Quite a few people took advantage of it.
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hmm... i live right there, bergen & classon, and I haven't noticed anything (or heard anything, etc.). luckily i don't have to park on the street. but yeah, that end of bergen is pretty desolate, maybe try parking on classon, bt st marks & bergen, or even prospect pl & st marks, i don't know if thatll help, but maybe.
anyway, i'm interested in this talk of cops saying why the hell did you move here and that whole discussion... someone said this 'crappy high crime area' or something... just wondering how the long term residents feel about the area? because i just moved here, and i love it... me and my roommate haven't gotten the 'rude awakening to ghetto living' yet, not saying it wont happen but, so far we've been very pleased with our neighbors, and the area in general -
I have a car because I travel a lot for work- and for fun. I shouldn't have to be penalized for owning a vehicle- train or not.
And I agree 100% with the whole 'cops not living in the area they work' thing. The officer who assisted me said something about living in (or growing up in) Bay Ridge.
Does this 77th precinct usually have this type of attitude? When I mentioned this story to my boss she said she's heard of numerous complaints against them.
I'd love to see the cops living in the projects. It would make a great reality show. -
The reason Cops dont live in the Precincts in which they work, is for corruption prone reasons. Cops would be locking up their neighbors and High School buddies inbetween responding to family disputes in their own home. Half of the NYPD does in fact live in the city, and also rely on the same police services that they provide. The notion that all Cops couldnt care less about the communities they patrol is quite offensive. But blaming the cop for your victimization is likely the reason why you get the response you do from them. Do you think your cheap rent doesn't come at a price? Do you think your presence alone will change the present situation facing Crown Heights? How about form a community watch program, and assist the Police you criticize? Complaining on an anonymous forum usually yields little results. Or better yet, Dont call the Police at all like some advocate on this forum?
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To complain about the Police contact the Civilian Complaint Review Board. These kind of things need to be recorded.
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Carnivore wrote: [quote=young snitch]while the cops are right in questioning the streetwiseness (if the word exists) of new residents, don't you think that this mentality is indicative of the way they police the neighborhood and view the native community? i think it speaks volumes to the relationship between police and the people they're ostensibly protecting.
Funny, I remember saying almost the same thing about a year ago in another thread.Carnivore wrote: Part of the problem is a ridiculous NYPD rule that doesn't let cops work in the neighborhood they live in. The result is an occupation force of thugs from Jersey and Long Island that hate the people they're supposed to be protecting.
http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=271
NYPD Police Officers are not permitted to live in New Jersey. They may live in the 5 boroughs, Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, Orange, Putnam and Rockland counties.
Let me ask you something...Let's take a moment to stand in the cops shoes regarding where they live. Would you really want to live up the block from somebody that you arrested last week? Would you really want to confront somebody that you arrested last week for beating his wife when you go into the coffee shop on your way to work? Would you want to be woken up in the middle of the night because your neighbor is mad at the kids who make too much noise in front of her house?
Here's another part of the equation...Maybe they just don't want to live in a neighborhood where people piss on the sidewalk, drink on the stoop, smoke crack in the hallways, sell drugs on the corner, steal cars on a routine basis, randomly break car and home windows. Maybe they don't want to live in an area where there is recreational gunfire, people being robbed at gunpoint and knifepoint for cell phones and Ipods. -
ParadeRest wrote: [quote=Carnivore][quote=young snitch]while the cops are right in questioning the streetwiseness (if the word exists) of new residents, don't you think that this mentality is indicative of the way they police the neighborhood and view the native community? i think it speaks volumes to the relationship between police and the people they're ostensibly protecting.
Funny, I remember saying almost the same thing about a year ago in another thread.Carnivore wrote: Part of the problem is a ridiculous NYPD rule that doesn't let cops work in the neighborhood they live in. The result is an occupation force of thugs from Jersey and Long Island that hate the people they're supposed to be protecting.
http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=271
NYPD Police Officers are not permitted to live in New Jersey. They may live in the 5 boroughs, Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, Orange, Putnam and Rockland counties.
Let me ask you something...Let's take a moment to stand in the cops shoes regarding where they live. Would you really want to live up the block from somebody that you arrested last week? Would you really want to confront somebody that you arrested last week for beating his wife when you go into the coffee shop on your way to work? Would you want to be woken up in the middle of the night because your neighbor is mad at the kids who make too much noise in front of her house?
Here's another part of the equation...Maybe they just don't want to live in a neighborhood where people piss on the sidewalk, drink on the stoop, smoke crack in the hallways, sell drugs on the corner, steal cars on a routine basis, randomly break car and home windows. Maybe they don't want to live in an area where there is recreational gunfire, people being robbed at gunpoint and knifepoint for cell phones and Ipods.
I grew up in a small town where all of the cops lived in the n'hood. Yes, dealing with a guy at church that you just arrested for beating his wife is not pretty, but it's real. And you can bet he'll think twice the next time he gets the urge to start pounding the tar out of his spouse.
As for not living in n'hood where there's all of the aforementioned bad stuff, I'll bet if the cops lived in the n'hoods they patrolled there would be a lot less of all that going down. They simply wouldn't tolerate it! -
Grew up in Bed-Stuy and there were plenty of cops that lived in the neighborhood. The limitation they had was that they were not allowed to patrol the precinct that they lived in. Guys that I knew had jobs at 1PP and working on task forces in the Bx. Most of them kept a low profile.
My experience was that black and hispanic cops were more likely to live in the city because there were more black and hispanic neighborhoods that were affordable on a cop's salary. Not to mention many of them had realtives here. White cops tended to live in SI, LI and Westchester in/near communities they grew up in or had moved to from NYC.
At the time that was pretty consistant with the demographics of the city, but since the early 90's the city has gotten whiter and weathier and I think you now have far more cops (regardless of race) living outside the 5 boroughs because of this. But I bet there were and are cops (and other law enforcement types) that live in CH. -
homeowner wrote: Grew up in Bed-Stuy and there were plenty of cops that lived in the neighborhood. The limitation they had was that they were not allowed to patrol the precinct that they lived in. Guys that I knew had jobs at 1PP and working on task forces in the Bx. Most of them kept a low profile.
I strongly suspect that the black and hispanic cops also lived in those communities due to racist real estate steering practices and redlining.
My experience was that black and hispanic cops were more likely to live in the city because there were more black and hispanic neighborhoods that were affordable on a cop's salary. Not to mention many of them had realtives here. White cops tended to live in SI, LI and Westchester in/near communities they grew up in or had moved to from NYC.
Having grown up in bed sty, I could see that having cops live in the community (not that I could really tell), didn't do squat to the crime rate. -
homeowner wrote: My experience was that black and hispanic cops were more likely to live in the city because there were more black and hispanic neighborhoods that were affordable on a cop's salary. Not to mention many of them had realtives here. White cops tended to live in SI, LI and Westchester in/near communities they grew up in or had moved to from NYC.
There is a FHA program which allows police officers who work in the city to purchase homes in the city with pretty much no down payment, financing the closing costs, etc. They also have this for teachers. -
Thanks, greg, for addressing most of ParadeRest's points better than I could have. As far as the ban on cops living in Jersey goes, it's total BS. There are tons of cops that live in Jersey. All they need is a fake residence in the city (such as a family member who lives here).
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X-brooklynite wrote: [quote=homeowner]Grew up in Bed-Stuy and there were plenty of cops that lived in the neighborhood. The limitation they had was that they were not allowed to patrol the precinct that they lived in. Guys that I knew had jobs at 1PP and working on task forces in the Bx. Most of them kept a low profile.
I strongly suspect that the black and hispanic cops also lived in those communities due to racist real estate steering practices and redlining.
My experience was that black and hispanic cops were more likely to live in the city because there were more black and hispanic neighborhoods that were affordable on a cop's salary. Not to mention many of them had realtives here. White cops tended to live in SI, LI and Westchester in/near communities they grew up in or had moved to from NYC.
Having grown up in bed sty, I could see that having cops live in the community (not that I could really tell), didn't do squat to the crime rate.
Check the article in today's NY Times about the sale of Peter Cooper.Stuy Town. The Times quotes the CEO of MetLife as stating, in the 50's, that "whites and negroes shouldn't live together". Hence the policy of not allowing blacks to rent in Stuy Town or Peter Cooper. If you ever wondered how ghettoes came about, this pretty much tells you. -
Carnivore,
Since you're so certain that "tons of cops" live in NJ, kindly provide proof of this (links, statistics, studies, etc.). Given your confidence in making this claim, I'm sure that evidence of it must be widely available. -
Jack Krohn wrote: Carnivore,
Sorry the evidence is all anecdotal. If there were easily available documented evidence, they wouldn't be able to stay on the force.
Since you're so certain that "tons of cops" live in NJ, kindly provide proof of this (links, statistics, studies, etc.). Given your confidence in making this claim, I'm sure that evidence of it must be widely available.
Still, it's not exactly a secret. Perhaps you've seen or heard of this movie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cop_Land -
Since it was in a movie then it must be true!
Greg, perhaps you can share some of the crime statistics from that small town you lived in. I'd love to see the comparison between Small Town, USA and Crown Heights. Call me cynical but I don't think that were you grew up is comparable to CH. Places like the Albany Houses, Weeksville Houses, Pink Houses, Marcy Projects only exist in Brooklyn as does a certain criminal element. -
ParadeRest wrote: Since it was in a movie then it must be true!
That was just an example. As I said, Jersey cops policing the streets of NY are a well known "secret."ParadeRest wrote: Greg, perhaps you can share some of the crime statistics from that small town you lived in. I'd love to see the comparison between Small Town, USA and Crown Heights. Call me cynical but I don't think that were you grew up is comparable to CH. Places like the Albany Houses, Weeksville Houses, Pink Houses, Marcy Projects only exist in Brooklyn as does a certain criminal element.
That's a cyclical argument. Maybe the crime would be less prevalent with some real community policing, instead of some overtly hostile outsider that everyone distrusts. One could argue that the current climate is evidence of the failure of the philosophy you're espousing. -
ParadeRest wrote: Since it was in a movie then it must be true!
Having had the pleasure of living in both Small Town America and big, bad Crown Heights, I really don't see that much of a difference. Sure, the dudes here try hard to play the part of big, bad wolves, but personally I knew lots of bad apples back in Small Town USA. The Midwest is notorious for producing the Bonnie & Clydes and Perry Smiths (of In Cold Blood, Truman Capote's classic tale of stone cold killers from Kansas) of the world. You never quite as twisted as when you're left to stew in your own juices in a small town of banal church people.
Greg, perhaps you can share some of the crime statistics from that small town you lived in. I'd love to see the comparison between Small Town, USA and Crown Heights. Call me cynical but I don't think that were you grew up is comparable to CH. Places like the Albany Houses, Weeksville Houses, Pink Houses, Marcy Projects only exist in Brooklyn as does a certain criminal element.
Besides, every small town has it's little ghetto where the "white trash" trailer park crowd hangs, the drifters, the handymen, the ne'er do wells, etc. The fact that the ghettoes are bigger in Brooklyn doesn't mean they're necessarily worse. -
Subject: car break-in
Dear Squeegee,
sorry about your break-in but it's rarity for the area. I've lived on Sterling b/w NY & Nostrand since 4/81 & I had one break-in for all that time - from my neighbor's son 3 doors down. He moved upstate a few months later & the break-ins stopped.
These petty criminals don't go far to find their victims. It's someone in your immediate area. -
I too had my car broken into on Classon and Eastern Pkwy. Right by the little park there... Now I try to park by my building, or where I know someone. We decided to not even report it cause it would just bump up my insurance and nothing was stolen. Now, I know all the guys on the block so they keep an eye out for me.
Lot's of times the people that live there will see newbies as intruders and just look the other way. If people are being offered money to move out so "Manhattaners", and I know not all are from Mnhtn, can move in, they are less inclined to help. Please don't think it's one of them breaking in to it, they could care less what you have in your car. To me it actually sounds like you had a crackhead in your car that just needed something he could sell quickly...
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