It isn't too early to begin talking about J'ouvert 2016
Without actually stating it, the politicians and the NYPD have already begun assertively stating "we are doing everything within our means to get under control".
Here's the opening PR from the NYPD and Eric Adams:
"The J'Ouvert event is always looked forward to with anticipation and excitement, but also looked forward to with fear and trepidation because of its history," Bratton told reporters. After last year's violence, the NYPD announced they would change how they police J'Ouvert in succeeding years; according to Bratton, requiring the parade to apply for a permit is a major step. "Giving it a legal standing is stature it has not had in the past as an example of how this very significant event in this community, this celebration of the community's culture, is now going mainstream. We intend to do everything in that power with that permit to ensure the safety of the event," he said."
http://gothamist.com/2016/07/26/nypd_will_double_number_of_cops_lig.php
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Certainly defines the problem:
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more press: http://nypost.com/2016/08/26/cops-urge-jouvert-revelers-to-refrain-from-violence/BTW, it is a little tedious, but there is a seperate thread for the parade and the events behind the museum: http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/47147/the-2016-west-indian-carnival-labor-day-parade-thread#latest
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People in the UK are hearing about "our" flyer:
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I'm glad the flyers weren't just concentrated outside of one particular apartment complex.
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A rebranding campaign has been occurring around Jouvert.People are posting their photos on twitter with a "We are Jourvert" sign....they seem to lack paint and powder.
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Pre event press conference on Empire today.
photo: NYPDnews
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I wasn't sure if this would warrant a new thread, or be off topic on this one, but... with the signs being posted along E.P. saying "No parking until 6am Tuesday", does anyone have any insight as to good alternative places to park? How far away do people usually have to park their car over the weekend? And how early do they nab those spots? I realize this may be a closely guarded secret for a lot of people, not wanting to disclose such sensitive information. But if anyone would care to share...? I remember when streets were back open around 10pm or 11pm, and one could return to parking and get ready for work the next day.
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I would park my car in Park Slope, where a lot of people will be away for the long weekend.
It seems the NYPD is arresting suspected gang members ahead of jouvert, in an attempt to have them incarcerated at least for the event itself. -
The lights are still up.
I noted huge spotlights by Prospect Park, by BBG, and by McDonalds, near where those people were shot and killed. Somehow this wasn't enough.
I also saw empty boxes of Corona on McKeever Place. I hope the beer was consumed inside and not out on the street but who knows? *shrug* -
The event for the steel bands that happened behind museum "Panorama" had no problems.
There is an admission fee, and it seems as if it is becoming a "mom approved" alternative to Jouvert. -
Perhaps we can't credit the increased police presence with preventing violence, but can credit it with leading to arrests soon afterward?
https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160906/crown-heights/suspect-custody-for-jouvert-murder-of-tiarah-poyau-sources-say
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Seeing a lot of quotes from people saying that the parade shouldn't be cancelled due to the actions of a few "knuckleheads" or "trouble makers."
Wow. These are murderers and attempted murderers. It's amazing that people are willing to accept a few deaths every year for the sake of 24 hours of partying.
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Also, the streets were absolutely disgusting this morning.
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It's a pretty predictable thing. Every year... "we won't tolerate violence". Then post parade, "well, let's wait and see how next year is". The money this event brings in is what keeps the city feeling the murders are justified... sad, right? I'm also guessing the city is afraid of rioting and other repercussions if they were to shut things down.
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Mosley calls for end to Jouvert:
http://www.kingscountypolitics.com/mosley-calls-end-jouvert-following-night-deadly-violence/ -
Is there a year-by-year comparison somewhere online that shows how many deaths and serious injuries have happened during the parade? It'd be interesting to see what the body count is, and how long it has taken them to "seriously consider suspending the event."
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1. It's technically overnight partying, as opposed to 24-hour partying, as J'Ouvert is a separate event from the one on Eastern Parkway...unless you're suggesting that both events be canceled.mr. met said:Seeing a lot of quotes from people saying that the parade shouldn't be cancelled due to the actions of a few "knuckleheads" or "trouble makers."
Wow. These are murderers and attempted murderers. It's amazing that people are willing to accept a few deaths every year for the sake of 24 hours of partying.
2. These murders are being committed by a few knuckleheads. It'd be a shame (on principle) if things were to come to an end because as the saying goes, "this is why we can't have nice things."This opinion seems reasonable (via Gothamist)"Last week, NY1 political anchor Errol Louis wrote in the Daily News, "My great worry about the upcoming J’Ouvert middle-of-the-night celebration is that thousands of New Yorkers will once again be needlessly exposed to proven, preventable danger in the streets. For a variety of reasons — including sheer political cowardice — too few elected leaders seem willing to challenge or rethink the wisdom of holding an event at 4 a.m. in parts of Brooklyn where gang activity and gunplay are not under control."" -
When I came in from out of town late last night, I spotted a lone streetsweeper heading north on Flatbush Avenue.mr. met said:Also, the streets were absolutely disgusting this morning.The streets in my immediate area weren't the best, but they could have been worse. I've seen worse. -
calling people who kill innocent bystanders (whether on purpose or by accident) something as dismissive as "trouble makers" is like saying "boys will be boys" when a rape occurs. it just plays into the toxic masculinity that promotes having guns at what should be a festive time
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mugofmead111 said:
1. It's technically overnight partying, as opposed to 24-hour partying, as J'Ouvert is a separate event from the one on Eastern Parkway...unless you're suggesting that both events be canceled.mr. met said:Seeing a lot of quotes from people saying that the parade shouldn't be cancelled due to the actions of a few "knuckleheads" or "trouble makers."
Wow. These are murderers and attempted murderers. It's amazing that people are willing to accept a few deaths every year for the sake of 24 hours of partying.
2. These murders are being committed by a few knuckleheads. It'd be a shame (on principle) if things were to come to an end because as the saying goes, "this is why we can't have nice things."This opinion seems reasonable (via Gothamist)"Last week, NY1 political anchor Errol Louis wrote in the Daily News, "My great worry about the upcoming J’Ouvert middle-of-the-night celebration is that thousands of New Yorkers will once again be needlessly exposed to proven, preventable danger in the streets. For a variety of reasons — including sheer political cowardice — too few elected leaders seem willing to challenge or rethink the wisdom of holding an event at 4 a.m. in parts of Brooklyn where gang activity and gunplay are not under control.""1. Okay. Both should be cancelled.
2. Yes, it would be a shame, I guess. More of a shame that people are dying and getting shot and stabbed...every year.
To be clear, after this year's parade, Errol Louis (the quoted person above) said it should be cancelled.
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suppleknuckles said:calling people who kill innocent bystanders (whether on purpose or by accident) something as dismissive as "trouble makers" is like saying "boys will be boys" when a rape occurs. it just plays into the toxic masculinity that promotes having guns at what should be a festive timeI don't see calling these people "troublemakers" as being dismissive; it's calling a spade a spade. They are causing trouble and mayhem. Some feel that the depraved actions of a few are reflecting badly on the community as a whole (and having read some of the comments in response to news stories on J'Ouvert/the parade on Eastern Parkway, I can understand why they feel that way).
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The problem seems to surround the organizers and many attendees defining this as a "cultural event".
As a result, it is tempting to define everything that happens at it (year after year...) as "cultural".
It may be time for some other entity to grab the culture ball and organize something at Floyd Bennett Field and disown Empire Blvd events.
...I wish I could think of an entity powerful enough and interested -
The politicians seem unable.
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mugofmead111 said:suppleknuckles said:calling people who kill innocent bystanders (whether on purpose or by accident) something as dismissive as "trouble makers" is like saying "boys will be boys" when a rape occurs. it just plays into the toxic masculinity that promotes having guns at what should be a festive timeI don't see calling these people "troublemakers" as being dismissive; it's calling a spade a spade. They are causing trouble and mayhem. Some feel that the depraved actions of a few are reflecting badly on the community as a whole (and having read some of the comments in response to news stories on J'Ouvert/the parade on Eastern Parkway, I can understand why they feel that way).
Troublemakers and knuckleheads get detention for shooting spitballs at the teacher. They don't shoot people in the face. Rather than feeling judged, a mature adult would recognize that events that regularly end up with people dying are not good for the community, even if most people have fun. -
MacMillan dictionary definition of troublemaker (bolding added for emphasis):mr. met said:mugofmead111 said:suppleknuckles said:calling people who kill innocent bystanders (whether on purpose or by accident) something as dismissive as "trouble makers" is like saying "boys will be boys" when a rape occurs. it just plays into the toxic masculinity that promotes having guns at what should be a festive timeI don't see calling these people "troublemakers" as being dismissive; it's calling a spade a spade. They are causing trouble and mayhem. Some feel that the depraved actions of a few are reflecting badly on the community as a whole (and having read some of the comments in response to news stories on J'Ouvert/the parade on Eastern Parkway, I can understand why they feel that way).
Troublemakers and knuckleheads get detention for shooting spitballs at the teacher. They don't shoot people in the face. Rather than feeling judged, a mature adult would recognize that events that regularly end up with people dying are not good for the community, even if most people have fun."someone who causes problems, often by being violent or by making others argue or not obey people in authority"I would say that someone who goes around shooting people and defying orders from the mayor and the NYPD to not shoot or stab people is someone who is violent and who is not obeying authority.
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