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265 Rogers (at Carroll) to become a shelter — Brooklynian

265 Rogers (at Carroll) to become a shelter

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  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    Wow. 3 new shelters, 2 in CB 8 and 1 in CB 9. De Blasio had best balance this out with at least 3 shelters in Park Slope to make me happy.
  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    132 families? In that small space? Looks like it would be tight to me.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited March 2017
    The FDNY, DOB and OCFS would all have to sign off on this site holding that many families.

    Plus, the space would have to abide by the court ruling that pertains to families, the McCain ruling.

    http://www.legal-aid.org/en/lawreform/lawreform/civillawreformunit/activecases/homelessrights/mccainvbloomberg.aspx
  • Marco555
    Marco555
    edited March 2017
    crownheightster said:
    Wow. 3 new shelters, 2 in CB 8 and 1 in CB 9. De Blasio had best balance this out with at least 3 shelters in Park Slope to make me happy.
    3? I think I missed one.... I've got this one (265 Rogers) and the one on Bergen between Brooklyn and New York. Where's the third?




    UPDATE: Never mind. All details are in the article

    SC
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    Yup, one in the Phoenix House building on Prospect near Vanderbilt.

    http://brooklynian.com/discussion/46728/i-wonder-how-long-it-will-be-before-phoenix-house-sells-174-prospect-place#latest
  • mugofmead111
    mugofmead111
    crownheightster said:
    Wow. 3 new shelters, 2 in CB 8 and 1 in CB 9. De Blasio had best balance this out with at least 3 shelters in Park Slope to make me happy.
    3 shelters in Park Slope? That's funny. As if the community will allow that to happen.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    I doubt DHS could outbid the other uses in that area...
  • suppleknuckles
    suppleknuckles
    i'm surprised they were able to outbid on the site in Prospect heights. those brownstoners won't be happy
  • suppleknuckles
    suppleknuckles
    also i wonder if the developers of the big property on the next block will say anything about it. possibly not 
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    suppleknuckles said:
    i'm surprised they were able to outbid on the site in Prospect heights. those brownstoners won't be happy
    Phoenix House is a not for profit drug rehabilitation agency.

    So, they may not have had the ability to seek the highest bidder.

    And, they already used the facility as a "come back into the community residence".   So, the neighbors may not really notice the change in use.    
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    suppleknuckles said:
    also i wonder if the developers of the big property on the next block will say anything about it. possibly not 
    If I were them, I'd remain quiet until the city grants them the Certificate of Occupancy they presently seek.

  • yesbrooklyn
    yesbrooklyn
    Agreed @crownheightster that's alot clustered in one area.
  • mac1
    mac1
    Wonder if we can any feedback from Rachel on this. Does she have the wrong address on Rogers or what?
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited March 2017
    Metro NY is also stating that is the address, and does not appear to be merely "borrowing" from Rachel's piece.

    "Permits, construction and community outreach are in progress for the other three, which includes two in Crown Heights, at 265 Rogers Ave., and 1173 Bergen St., as well as 174 Prospect Place in Prospect Heights."

    http://touch.metro.us//new-york/community-resistance-meets-de-blasio-s-fair-homeless-shelter-plan/zsJqcb---oj3GU2pK6NEvI/
  • MOD
    MOD
    mugofmead111 said:
    crownheightster said:
    Wow. 3 new shelters, 2 in CB 8 and 1 in CB 9. De Blasio had best balance this out with at least 3 shelters in Park Slope to make me happy.
    3 shelters in Park Slope? That's funny. As if the community will allow that to happen.
    Well something needs to burst the PS rental bubble. ;-)
  • mac1
    mac1
    265 Rogers could house at the most 6 families and that would be a tight fit.  132 families ain't going in there in April.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited March 2017
    The nonprofit service provider at 265 Rogers is reportedly Samaritan Village.

    http://patch.com/new-york/prospectheights/least-3-new-homeless-shelters-coming-prospect-heights-crown-heights

    Sometime soon, they will likely present to CB9 and the public.

    ...I will also be amazed if the regulators sign off on 132 families in this space.
  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    Samaritan Village does not seem like one of the shelter operators that is particularly well-liked. They can't mean 132 families...can they? Maybe 132-family members? Assuming families of four, maybe 33 families? 
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited March 2017
    Maybe 132 people.

    ....each of whom is related to one or more of the others.
  • yesbrooklyn
    yesbrooklyn
    When's the public meeting about this?
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    The meeting has not been announce yet.   I believe the city has to hold the meeting 30 days before it opens.


    ...they might not be that close to opening yet.
  • Marco555
    Marco555
    More press https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/nyregion/crown-heights-ny-homeless-shelter.html
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    I kind of wish the article discussed the "fair share" rule.

    The rule is supposed to force the city to distribute shelters and other undesirable services evenly throughout the city. (Sewage treatment, trash truck depots, bus depots, etc)

    However, it is impossible.

    Some areas are incredibly expensive and have no vacant buildings. Others are not near water or highways.

    It isn't realistic to expect the city to spend tons of money, and/or make powerful enemies when other options are available.

    ....such as Crown Heights.
  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    What I wonder is why De Blasio is doing this to a neighborhood that VOTED for him. I mean, what does he have to lose by putting a shelter in Bay Ridge or Bensonhurst? 
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited March 2017
    Are spaces there as available as they are here ?

    ...this is driven by the city running out of shelter space, and being in danger of violating the various right to shelter rulings.

    Do you know of a site in Bensonhurst or Bay Ridge?

    ...they won't want it there either, but I'll forward it to folks I know at DHS.

    Do you think a credible candidate will run against him and secure the Crown Heights vote?
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited March 2017
    Quote

    "From: (redacted)
    Date: February 3, 2017 at 2:13:15 PM EST
    To: (redacted)

    Subject: Capacity Coordinator Job at NYC Department of Homeless Services

    Hello all,
    Interested in Real Estate? Housing? Zoning? City budgets, contracts or procurement?

    We are expanding the Capacity Planning and Development division at DHS to keep up with the growing demand for shelter.

    It's more of a project management position working with landlords, non-profit providers, real estate brokers and staff throughout the Agency. We are in search of folks who are comfortable being generalists, working under pressure, and who can easily adapt to the changing nature of this industry.

    Please see the attached job description to apply and let me know if you have any questions.

    Thanks,

    (Name and title redacted)

    Capacity Planning and Development
    NYC Department of Homeless Services"
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    Note: As per the note, the successful candidate won't have to make members of the community happy, or even work them.
  • faithful813
    faithful813
    whynot_31 said:
    I kind of wish the article discussed the "fair share" rule. The rule is supposed to force the city to distribute shelters and other undesirable services evenly throughout the city. (Sewage treatment, trash truck depots, bus depots, etc) However, it is impossible. Some areas are incredibly expensive and have no vacant buildings. Others are not near water or highways. It isn't realistic to expect the city to spend tons of money, and/or make powerful enemies when other options are available. ....such as Crown Heights.

    So basically, let's continue to inundate Crown Heights because they're not affluent or powerful?!?! 

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    I look at the city as just another tenant with a limited source of funds, a poor credit history and lots of civil and criminal court involvement.

    Neighborhoods without affluence or power also get more than their "fair share" of apartment dwellers who have similar issues.

    The only thing I can think of that will change this, is for the apartments/sites to be sought after by people with greater means and fewer problems.

    ...entities that will outbid the city. Spaces that are not vacant when the city comes looking.
  • faithful813
    faithful813
    whynot_31 said:
    I look at the city as just another tenant with a limited source of funds, a poor credit history and lots of civil and criminal court involvement. Neighborhoods without affluence or power also get more than their "fair share" of apartment dwellers who have similar issues. The only thing I can think of that will change this, is for the apartments/sites to be sought after by people with greater means and fewer problems. ...entities that will outbid the city. Spaces that are not vacant when the city comes looking.

    ....how does Crown Heights get away from this vicious cycle?  How can we woo the powerful and affluent if on every other block we have shelters, methadone clinics, halfway houses, etc.  The powerful and affluent will remain in Brooklyn Heights, Park Slope, etc. because they don't want these facilities as "their" neighbors.  Due to their affluence and power, they have that option.
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