A group of young black men in hoodies walked by on CrazyLane
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caaahyoko wrote: [quote=SHouston]
Depends on the season?? What does that mean? My family is from the same parts of Northern Europe--and unless you're using self-tanner, I don't think your sunburnt red skin is fooling anyone. I accept and embrace (at least when not looking all red and splotchy) my glow-in-the-darkness.
part of me is from sweden. another from scotland. am i white? not by my standards. or, it depends on the season.
whether the o.p. meant this or not, race/color can be culturally and ethnically defined. in NYC, "black" means something different than in, say, the Dominican Republic. am I the only person who remembers the big hoopla when Proyecto Uno "admitted" publically that they are black? in many parts of this country, like Miami and Houston, ethnicity and culture are stratifications within race discussion - white hispanics versus white non-hispanics, for instance.
I think the most tiring part of the absurd position some board posters take that (to paraphrase) all white people in PH are afraid of black people in PH, and all newcomers to the neighborhood are white people is that it ignores both the inherent racism in that belief (both toward whites and blacks) and that it completely ignores the racial, cultural and ethnic nuances of this community. -
alafairnadia wrote:
:shrug: I was just talking about my general inability to tan...but those are valid points! I figured he was talking about having lived in the Southwest
whether the o.p. meant this or not, race/color can be culturally and ethnically defined. in NYC, "black" means something different than in, say, the Dominican Republic. am I the only person who remembers the big hoopla when Proyecto Uno "admitted" publically that they are black? in many parts of this country, like Miami and Houston, ethnicity and culture are stratifications within race discussion - white hispanics versus white non-hispanics, for instance.
I think the most tiring part of the absurd position some board posters take that (to paraphrase) all white people in PH are afraid of black people in PH, and all newcomers to the neighborhood are white people is that it ignores both the inherent racism in that belief (both toward whites and blacks) and that it completely ignores the racial, cultural and ethnic nuances of this community.
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caaahyoko wrote: :shrug: I was just talking about my general inability to tan...but those are valid points! I figured he was talking about having lived in the Southwest
oh, I hear you. I don't tan, either.
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alafairnadia wrote: I think the most tiring part of the absurd position some board posters take that (to paraphrase) all white people in PH are afraid of black people in PH, and all newcomers to the neighborhood are white people is that it ignores both the inherent racism in that belief (both toward whites and blacks) and that it completely ignores the racial, cultural and ethnic nuances of this community.
Exactly! Thank you for putting that so succinctly. -
ana.log wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]I think the most tiring part of the absurd position some board posters take that (to paraphrase) all white people in PH are afraid of black people in PH, and all newcomers to the neighborhood are white people is that it ignores both the inherent racism in that belief (both toward whites and blacks) and that it completely ignores the racial, cultural and ethnic nuances of this community.
Exactly! Thank you for putting that so succinctly.
Yeah, stop hurting the white person, they are people too. They as a whole don't feel superior to any other race. :roll: -
Black "youths" in hoodies are statistically more likely to mug or otherwise attack other blacks. But then since that area will soon not have many black residents left to attack, I guess they will start going for white victims. I interviewed a couple of little black punks who were serial muggers and they both claimed they feared they'd get in way more trouble if caught mugging white people and so they stuck to their own. Sad and pathetic.
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Breuckelen wrote: [quote=ana.log][quote=alafairnadia]I think the most tiring part of the absurd position some board posters take that (to paraphrase) all white people in PH are afraid of black people in PH, and all newcomers to the neighborhood are white people is that it ignores both the inherent racism in that belief (both toward whites and blacks) and that it completely ignores the racial, cultural and ethnic nuances of this community.
Exactly! Thank you for putting that so succinctly.
Yeah, stop hurting the white person, they are people too. They as a whole don't feel superior to any other race. :roll:
well (not agreeing to your comment at all), at least we all know you feel superiority to someone/somegroup. not sure who. care to define your superiority complex? -
alafairnadia wrote: well (not agreeing to your comment at all), at least we all know you feel superiority to someone/somegroup. not sure who. care to define your superiority complex?
I didn't ask for you to agree. -
Breuckelen wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]well (not agreeing to your comment at all), at least we all know you feel superiority to someone/somegroup. not sure who. care to define your superiority complex?
I didn't ask for you to agree.
I asked you a question. care to answer? -
alafairnadia wrote: I asked you a question. care to answer?
I'm to affraid to confront myself...you have un-turned a stone and my scars are bleeding. I have to go to therapy again. Thanks alot. -
Breuckelen wrote: [quote=SHouston]obviously devin was making fun of white folks who aren't as cultured (cough) as we white folks are. and it was funny.
You're white man! Swedish and Scottish make you glow in the dark!
but who are we, really?
part of me is from sweden. another from scotland. am i white? not by my standards. or, it depends on the season.
are you sure son is always a term of endearment? dude isn't always. like i, as a white man, could say, "hey dude, get out of my fckn garden."
could you, as a black man, say, "hey son, get out of my fckn garden"? i think you could. as a matter of fact i think i, as i white man, could say it too!
as for your comment that he should get some "Black friends. or at least try," well, i don't think i need to mention how childish that sounds.
do i?
What would be funny is for you to walk on St. Johns and tell everyone that you aren't white. That will get the neighborhood rolling. -
Breuckelen wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]I asked you a question. care to answer?
I'm to affraid to confront myself...you have un-turned a stone and my scars are bleeding. I have to go therapy again. Thanks alot.
and you've thoroughly discredited yourself. -
alafairnadia wrote: [quote=caaahyoko][quote=SHouston]
Depends on the season?? What does that mean? My family is from the same parts of Northern Europe--and unless you're using self-tanner, I don't think your sunburnt red skin is fooling anyone. I accept and embrace (at least when not looking all red and splotchy) my glow-in-the-darkness.
part of me is from sweden. another from scotland. am i white? not by my standards. or, it depends on the season.
whether the o.p. meant this or not, race/color can be culturally and ethnically defined. in NYC, "black" means something different than in, say, the Dominican Republic. am I the only person who remembers the big hoopla when Proyecto Uno "admitted" publically that they are black? in many parts of this country, like Miami and Houston, ethnicity and culture are stratifications within race discussion - white hispanics versus white non-hispanics, for instance.
y.
Speaking as a black woman who has lived in several different countries, I have to say that in my experience "black" has always meant only one thing: a person who is of black African descent or who has (some) black African ancestry. Within the definition of black, of course you can also be Hispanic, European, American, Caribbean, African etc. For me it is only really in America that it gets a tiny bit confusing and people who are like 2% black and 98% white define themselves as black. I don't think there many other countries where somebody would describe Nicole Ritchie as black unless they were joking. -
mypasswordwontwork wrote: [quote=alafairnadia][quote=caaahyoko][quote=SHouston]
Depends on the season?? What does that mean? My family is from the same parts of Northern Europe--and unless you're using self-tanner, I don't think your sunburnt red skin is fooling anyone. I accept and embrace (at least when not looking all red and splotchy) my glow-in-the-darkness.
part of me is from sweden. another from scotland. am i white? not by my standards. or, it depends on the season.
whether the o.p. meant this or not, race/color can be culturally and ethnically defined. in NYC, "black" means something different than in, say, the Dominican Republic. am I the only person who remembers the big hoopla when Proyecto Uno "admitted" publically that they are black? in many parts of this country, like Miami and Houston, ethnicity and culture are stratifications within race discussion - white hispanics versus white non-hispanics, for instance.
y.
Speaking as a black woman who has lived in several different countries, I have to say that in my experience "black" has always meant only one thing: a person who is of black African descent or who has (some) black African ancestry. Within the definition of black, of course you can also be Hispanic, European, American, Caribbean, African etc. For me it is only really in America that it gets a tiny bit confusing and people who are like 2% black and 98% white define themselves as black. I don't think there many other countries where somebody would describe Nicole Ritchie as black unless they were joking.
and that's why this joint is the melting pot. my best friend, who currently lives in Miami, got into a boatload of crap trying to get into college because she was asked on applications to select EITHER hispanic or black. she selected hispanic - it was how she self-identified, and how our group of friends self identified. the trio of friends (me - white, half-cuban, half-american, though the half-american parent grew up in argentina; other-friend - white(looking), one parent black, from panama, the other parent white and polish; friend-in-question/subject-of-example - black and cuban - both parents black and cuban - spoken-english 90210-vallyspeak - award winning journalist) considered ourselves not-white in our naive, jrhigh/high school days in miami. and that's how we were considered. and my friend, who is both black and cuban, was told to "pick". and she picked cuban. and I can honestly say that most cubans in miami, regarless of race, would choose cuban. and if you think that choice is because of race, you're wrong.
race, like size, becomes an element of reality rather than identiy in culture in miami. "negro" and "gordo" are terms of endearment in hispanic culture in that city and throughout the caribbean.
I'm not saying that american culture recognizes this, or that countries around the world recognize this. I'm saying that it is an example of a part of this country and this world that is very different. and, quite frankly, that could explain the OPs thoughts AND folks like me whose minds aren't deliniated by the dogma of the (few but vocal) racist posters on this board. -
alafairnadia wrote: and that's why this joint is the melting pot. my best friend, who currently lives in Miami, got into a boatload of crap trying to get into college because she was asked on applications to select EITHER hispanic or black. she selected hispanic - it was how she self-identified, and how our group of friends self identified. the trio of friends (me - white, half-cuban, half-american, though the half-american parent grew up in argentina; other-friend - white(looking), one parent black, from panama, the other parent white and polish; friend-in-question/subject-of-example - black and cuban - both parents black and cuban - spoken-english 90210-vallyspeak - award winning journalist) considered ourselves not-white in our naive, jrhigh/high school days in miami. and that's how we were considered. and my friend, who is both black and cuban, was told to "pick". and she picked cuban. and I can honestly say that most cubans in miami, regarless of race, would choose cuban. and if you think that choice is because of race, you're wrong.
race, like size, becomes an element of reality rather than identiy in culture in miami. "negro" and "gordo" are terms of endearment in hispanic culture in that city and throughout the caribbean.
I'm not saying that american culture recognizes this, or that countries around the world recognize this. I'm saying that it is an example of a part of this country and this world that is very different. and, quite frankly, that could explain the OPs thoughts AND folks like me whose minds aren't deliniated by the dogma of the (few but vocal) racist posters on this board.
In a happy world, the idea of the melting pot is a good thing. But you cannot say that lighter skin is not considered "better" in most cultures. -
Breuckelen wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]and that's why this joint is the melting pot. my best friend, who currently lives in Miami, got into a boatload of crap trying to get into college because she was asked on applications to select EITHER hispanic or black. she selected hispanic - it was how she self-identified, and how our group of friends self identified. the trio of friends (me - white, half-cuban, half-american, though the half-american parent grew up in argentina; other-friend - white(looking), one parent black, from panama, the other parent white and polish; friend-in-question/subject-of-example - black and cuban - both parents black and cuban - spoken-english 90210-vallyspeak - award winning journalist) considered ourselves not-white in our naive, jrhigh/high school days in miami. and that's how we were considered. and my friend, who is both black and cuban, was told to "pick". and she picked cuban. and I can honestly say that most cubans in miami, regarless of race, would choose cuban. and if you think that choice is because of race, you're wrong.
race, like size, becomes an element of reality rather than identiy in culture in miami. "negro" and "gordo" are terms of endearment in hispanic culture in that city and throughout the caribbean.
I'm not saying that american culture recognizes this, or that countries around the world recognize this. I'm saying that it is an example of a part of this country and this world that is very different. and, quite frankly, that could explain the OPs thoughts AND folks like me whose minds aren't deliniated by the dogma of the (few but vocal) racist posters on this board.
In a happy world, the idea of the melting pot is a good thing. But you cannot say that lighter skin is not considered "better" in most cultures.
whether it equals "better" or not, skin-color doesn't necessarily mean fearful or fearsome.
as I learned in Spain for work this past week, the connection of Cuban crosses race, class and culture. to the hilarious result of making multimillionaire law firms squirm. as much as I disliked Miami, and don't want to live there, sometimes I think they've got some stuff right down there. -
since we are talking about race, if this was south america. all the tv presenters would be whiter than white. and the population would be darker.
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armchair_warrior wrote: since we are talking about race, if this was south america. all the tv presenters would be whiter than white. and the population would be darker.
break that down by country and racial/cultural composition of the country. have fun. -
armchair_warrior wrote: since we are talking about race, if this was south america. all the tv presenters would be whiter than white. and the population would be darker.
telemundo and univision are like soft porn. -
Breuckelen wrote: [quote=armchair_warrior]since we are talking about race, if this was south america. all the tv presenters would be whiter than white. and the population would be darker.
telemundo and univision are like soft porn.
and soft core porn is about race? take a walk down 8th and 9th avenues in the 40s if you're confused. porn is a true melting pot. of mens' fetishistic fantasies. -
alafairnadia wrote: [quote=mypasswordwontwork][quote=alafairnadia][quote=caaahyoko][quote=SHouston]
Depends on the season?? What does that mean? My family is from the same parts of Northern Europe--and unless you're using self-tanner, I don't think your sunburnt red skin is fooling anyone. I accept and embrace (at least when not looking all red and splotchy) my glow-in-the-darkness.
part of me is from sweden. another from scotland. am i white? not by my standards. or, it depends on the season.
whether the o.p. meant this or not, race/color can be culturally and ethnically defined. in NYC, "black" means something different than in, say, the Dominican Republic. am I the only person who remembers the big hoopla when Proyecto Uno "admitted" publically that they are black? in many parts of this country, like Miami and Houston, ethnicity and culture are stratifications within race discussion - white hispanics versus white non-hispanics, for instance.
y.
Speaking as a black woman who has lived in several different countries, I have to say that in my experience "black" has always meant only one thing: a person who is of black African descent or who has (some) black African ancestry. Within the definition of black, of course you can also be Hispanic, European, American, Caribbean, African etc. For me it is only really in America that it gets a tiny bit confusing and people who are like 2% black and 98% white define themselves as black. I don't think there many other countries where somebody would describe Nicole Ritchie as black unless they were joking.
and that's why this joint is the melting pot. my best friend, who currently lives in Miami, got into a boatload of crap trying to get into college because she was asked on applications to select EITHER hispanic or black. she selected hispanic - it was how she self-identified, and how our group of friends self identified. the trio of friends (me - white, half-cuban, half-american, though the half-american parent grew up in argentina; other-friend - white(looking), one parent black, from panama, the other parent white and polish; friend-in-question/subject-of-example - black and cuban - both parents black and cuban - spoken-english 90210-vallyspeak - award winning journalist) considered ourselves not-white in our naive, jrhigh/high school days in miami. and that's how we were considered. and my friend, who is both black and cuban, was told to "pick". and she picked cuban. and I can honestly say that most cubans in miami, regarless of race, would choose cuban. and if you think that choice is because of race, you're wrong.
race, like size, becomes an element of reality rather than identiy in culture in miami. "negro" and "gordo" are terms of endearment in hispanic culture in that city and throughout the caribbean.
I'm not saying that american culture recognizes this, or that countries around the world recognize this. I'm saying that it is an example of a part of this country and this world that is very different. and, quite frankly, that could explain the OPs thoughts AND folks like me whose minds aren't deliniated by the dogma of the (few but vocal) racist posters on this board.
I think you're missing the fact that "Cuban" is not a race, it is a nationality. You can be white and Cuban and you can be black and Cuban and you can be Hispanic and Cuban. You could technically be Asian and Cuban.
If I was born in Cuba, I would be Cuban and I would also be black. But actually I was born in England, so I call myself British but I also call myself African because that is where my parents were born. But in addition to being British and African I am also black.
One of my good friends is a black Brazilian who went to university in America. She insisted on identifying herself as black and Brazilian because that is what she is. And we all know that, just like Brazil, Cuba has many many blacks -
mypasswordwontwork wrote: [quote=alafairnadia][quote=mypasswordwontwork][quote=alafairnadia][quote=caaahyoko][quote=SHouston]
Depends on the season?? What does that mean? My family is from the same parts of Northern Europe--and unless you're using self-tanner, I don't think your sunburnt red skin is fooling anyone. I accept and embrace (at least when not looking all red and splotchy) my glow-in-the-darkness.
part of me is from sweden. another from scotland. am i white? not by my standards. or, it depends on the season.
whether the o.p. meant this or not, race/color can be culturally and ethnically defined. in NYC, "black" means something different than in, say, the Dominican Republic. am I the only person who remembers the big hoopla when Proyecto Uno "admitted" publically that they are black? in many parts of this country, like Miami and Houston, ethnicity and culture are stratifications within race discussion - white hispanics versus white non-hispanics, for instance.
y.
Speaking as a black woman who has lived in several different countries, I have to say that in my experience "black" has always meant only one thing: a person who is of black African descent or who has (some) black African ancestry. Within the definition of black, of course you can also be Hispanic, European, American, Caribbean, African etc. For me it is only really in America that it gets a tiny bit confusing and people who are like 2% black and 98% white define themselves as black. I don't think there many other countries where somebody would describe Nicole Ritchie as black unless they were joking.
and that's why this joint is the melting pot. my best friend, who currently lives in Miami, got into a boatload of crap trying to get into college because she was asked on applications to select EITHER hispanic or black. she selected hispanic - it was how she self-identified, and how our group of friends self identified. the trio of friends (me - white, half-cuban, half-american, though the half-american parent grew up in argentina; other-friend - white(looking), one parent black, from panama, the other parent white and polish; friend-in-question/subject-of-example - black and cuban - both parents black and cuban - spoken-english 90210-vallyspeak - award winning journalist) considered ourselves not-white in our naive, jrhigh/high school days in miami. and that's how we were considered. and my friend, who is both black and cuban, was told to "pick". and she picked cuban. and I can honestly say that most cubans in miami, regarless of race, would choose cuban. and if you think that choice is because of race, you're wrong.
race, like size, becomes an element of reality rather than identiy in culture in miami. "negro" and "gordo" are terms of endearment in hispanic culture in that city and throughout the caribbean.
I'm not saying that american culture recognizes this, or that countries around the world recognize this. I'm saying that it is an example of a part of this country and this world that is very different. and, quite frankly, that could explain the OPs thoughts AND folks like me whose minds aren't deliniated by the dogma of the (few but vocal) racist posters on this board.
I think you're missing the fact that "Cuban" is not a race, it is a nationality. You can be white and Cuban and you can be black and Cuban and you can be Hispanic and Cuban. You could technically be Asian and Cuban.
If I was born in Cuba, I would be Cuban and I would also be black. But actually I was born in England, so I call myself British but I also call myself African because that is where my parents were born. But in addition to being British and African I am also black.
One of my good friends is a black Brazilian who went to university in America. She insisted on identifying herself as black and Brazilian because that is what she is. And we all know that, just like Brazil, Cuba has many many blacks
re-read my comments. I recognize that nationality and race are different. I also recognize that culturally (which takes race, nationality, ethnicity, and class into account) these things are different. finally, I say that I'm talking about Miami. feel free to review. -
The melting pot theory sounds like an ideal, but it really doesn't exist. I didn't know that Miami was a utopia for Cubans. I think that's great, but I can't believe that there isn't any racial tension between Cubans.
People from outside of america know what they are and accept it.
Look at the US census. How many choices do you have? What is Asian? That's a huge area. -
alafairnadia wrote: [quote=mypasswordwontwork][quote=alafairnadia][quote=mypasswordwontwork][quote=alafairnadia][quote=caaahyoko][quote=SHouston]
Depends on the season?? What does that mean? My family is from the same parts of Northern Europe--and unless you're using self-tanner, I don't think your sunburnt red skin is fooling anyone. I accept and embrace (at least when not looking all red and splotchy) my glow-in-the-darkness.
part of me is from sweden. another from scotland. am i white? not by my standards. or, it depends on the season.
whether the o.p. meant this or not, race/color can be culturally and ethnically defined. in NYC, "black" means something different than in, say, the Dominican Republic. am I the only person who remembers the big hoopla when Proyecto Uno "admitted" publically that they are black? in many parts of this country, like Miami and Houston, ethnicity and culture are stratifications within race discussion - white hispanics versus white non-hispanics, for instance.
y.
Speaking as a black woman who has lived in several different countries, I have to say that in my experience "black" has always meant only one thing: a person who is of black African descent or who has (some) black African ancestry. Within the definition of black, of course you can also be Hispanic, European, American, Caribbean, African etc. For me it is only really in America that it gets a tiny bit confusing and people who are like 2% black and 98% white define themselves as black. I don't think there many other countries where somebody would describe Nicole Ritchie as black unless they were joking.
and that's why this joint is the melting pot. my best friend, who currently lives in Miami, got into a boatload of crap trying to get into college because she was asked on applications to select EITHER hispanic or black. she selected hispanic - it was how she self-identified, and how our group of friends self identified. the trio of friends (me - white, half-cuban, half-american, though the half-american parent grew up in argentina; other-friend - white(looking), one parent black, from panama, the other parent white and polish; friend-in-question/subject-of-example - black and cuban - both parents black and cuban - spoken-english 90210-vallyspeak - award winning journalist) considered ourselves not-white in our naive, jrhigh/high school days in miami. and that's how we were considered. and my friend, who is both black and cuban, was told to "pick". and she picked cuban. and I can honestly say that most cubans in miami, regarless of race, would choose cuban. and if you think that choice is because of race, you're wrong.
race, like size, becomes an element of reality rather than identiy in culture in miami. "negro" and "gordo" are terms of endearment in hispanic culture in that city and throughout the caribbean.
I'm not saying that american culture recognizes this, or that countries around the world recognize this. I'm saying that it is an example of a part of this country and this world that is very different. and, quite frankly, that could explain the OPs thoughts AND folks like me whose minds aren't deliniated by the dogma of the (few but vocal) racist posters on this board.
I think you're missing the fact that "Cuban" is not a race, it is a nationality. You can be white and Cuban and you can be black and Cuban and you can be Hispanic and Cuban. You could technically be Asian and Cuban.
If I was born in Cuba, I would be Cuban and I would also be black. But actually I was born in England, so I call myself British but I also call myself African because that is where my parents were born. But in addition to being British and African I am also black.
One of my good friends is a black Brazilian who went to university in America. She insisted on identifying herself as black and Brazilian because that is what she is. And we all know that, just like Brazil, Cuba has many many blacks
re-read my comments. I recognize that nationality and race are different. I also recognize that culturally (which takes race, nationality, ethnicity, and class into account) these things are different. finally, I say that I'm talking about Miami. feel free to review.
You stated that most of the Cubans in Miami (though I'm unclear how you would know what most Cubans think) would choose "Cuban" rather than "black". But why would there even be a choice, I am asking, when Cuban is a nationality and black is a race?
If I was asked to choose between British and black I actually c ould not choose, because they mean two entirely different things. Legally, I guess, I am British then because I am a British citizen and was born there. Black is merely the racial category I fall into. Each definition means a different thing. I've met black Cubans and you can see they are black just by looking at them. Of course they are Cuban too. -
Breuckelen wrote: The melting pot theory sounds like an ideal, but it really doesn't exist. I didn't know that Miami was a utopia for Cubans. I think that's great, but I can't believe that there isn't any racial tension between Cubans.
2 things:
People from outside of america know what they are and accept it.
Look at the US census. How many choices do you have? What is Asian? That's a huge area.
I never said Miami was a utopia. I said that race didn't mean what it means in NYC. I said a lot more. feel free to read it.
also, I cited the example of Dominicans and, up until around 15-20 years ago, their refusal to acknowledge their "blackness". this was an issue among Latin American/Hispanic/Caribbean groups both in and out of the US. it really was a big deal - maybe not here - all over Latin America when Proyecto Uno self-identified as black. we (my group of friends in Miami) cheered.
1 other thing:
Miami is not an example of awesome race relations - the cultural things are actually so much more important that the most marginalized group in the South Florida area is non-Hispanic blacks. Miami hasn't dealt with that issue. -
Breuckelen wrote: but I can't believe that there isn't any racial tension between Cubans.
I agree
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mypasswordwontwork wrote: You stated that most of the Cubans in Miami (though I'm unclear how you would know what most Cubans think) would choose "Cuban" rather than "black". But why would there even be a choice, I am asking, when Cuban is a nationality and black is a race?
I thought I was very deliberate and exact, but clearly not. I'll say more. the University of Miami had an application that said "Pick One". Under that were the options of "Hispanic" and "African-American", among others. My best friend, a black-Cuban woman, checked both boxes. she was told to choose. she chose "Hispanic". she was told she was disqualified for a scholarship for "African-Americans". she said she was both. etc.
If I was asked to choose between British and black I actually c ould not choose, because they mean two entirely different things. Legally, I guess, I am British then because I am a British citizen and was born there. Black is merely the racial category I fall into. Each definition means a different thing. I've met black Cubans and you can see they are black just by looking at them. Of course they are Cuban too.
further, I tutored SAT tests for folks who were having trouble. most folks in my classes were having language issues or class-based issues with the exams. I largly was teaching people to get a high enough score to qualify for a scholarship they had dibs on. one issue that came up constantly was how to respond to race/ethnicity question (it was "race/ethnicity"). after my friend's issues, I told them to answer "African-American". all of my pupils balked - they were Jamaican or Haitian. not "African-American".
my only point is that race, culture and ethnicity are not binary issues. if they are for you, fine. but you should know that they aren't for everyone, and that includes people in this country. and frankly, if you're interested in binary, then why not go for homogenaity (sp)? nuance is way more interesting. -
I guess that makes me a minority. Sorry I can't spell
I don't think that has anything to do with my post and point.
Why does everyone have to read your postings with great discretion? I think you should check your superiority complex. It isn't fair on your part to accuse others. -
Breuckelen wrote: I guess that makes me a minority. Sorry I can't spell
huh? -
alafairnadia wrote: [quote=mypasswordwontwork]You stated that most of the Cubans in Miami (though I'm unclear how you would know what most Cubans think) would choose "Cuban" rather than "black". But why would there even be a choice, I am asking, when Cuban is a nationality and black is a race?
I thought I was very deliberate and exact, but clearly not. I'll say more. the University of Miami had an application that said "Pick One". Under that were the options of "Hispanic" and "African-American", among others. My best friend, a black-Cuban woman, checked both boxes. she was told to choose. she chose "Hispanic". she was told she was disqualified for a scholarship for "African-Americans". she said she was both. etc.
If I was asked to choose between British and black I actually c ould not choose, because they mean two entirely different things. Legally, I guess, I am British then because I am a British citizen and was born there. Black is merely the racial category I fall into. Each definition means a different thing. I've met black Cubans and you can see they are black just by looking at them. Of course they are Cuban too.
further, I tutored SAT tests for folks who were having trouble. most folks in my classes were having language issues or class-based issues with the exams. I largly was teaching people to get a high enough score to qualify for a scholarship they had dibs on. one issue that came up constantly was how to respond to race/ethnicity question (it was "race/ethnicity"). after my friend's issues, I told them to answer "African-American". all of my pupils balked - they were Jamaican or Haitian. not "African-American".
my only point is that race, culture and ethnicity are not binary issues. if they are for you, fine. but you should know that they aren't for everyone, and that includes people in this country. and frankly, if you're interested in binary, then why not go for homogenaity (sp)? nuance is way more interesting.
I find some of this hard to believe. I do not believe that the only option for people of color would be African American. It also seems a stretch that somebody would not be allowed to claim black and Hispanic. I mean, jeez, there are an increasing number of biracial and multiracial people coming up, what are they supposed to check on these absurd forms? Hmm, some friends of mine are equal parts native American, black African, white and Korean. I wonder what they checked on these forms, LOL. In this crazy country they probably checked black even though they are only a quarter black.
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