Gas Station Sold??
Heard that the Gas Station on 4th ave and 6st was sold. Don't know if another Gas station is going to be put there or we are going to see another 12 story building put up.
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The Amoco station?!?! Shoot!
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My best guess is a condo building. Canna get address? I'll do the snoopin' and report back. Post or PM me.
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I think it's 393 4th ave
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You sure this is the address? Looks like a garage to me, not a gas station...anyway, ACRIS shows the owner as:
Fourth Avenue Enterp
125 5TH Ave
Brooklyn NY 11217-3227
12/9/2005
No resale or transfer as of 2004, but there's a lag at ACRIS. DOB's BIS had nothing...If you see any activity, do post an update. -
The gas station is 371 4th Ave. 393 4th Ave is the former oil-company garage across the street (which was sold a year or so ago).
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If it is 371 4th Ave, well...good news or bad news first?
OK bad news first.
The property owner seems to no longer be in the gas biz...though I did fill up there last week
That being said, assuming it was actually "sold" and not tranfered, there's no new sale info as of yet.
Under the current zoning, the lot has a build-able (as of right) sq footage of 60,000 sq ft. Since it is on 4th Ave, it has the newer R8A overlay (allowing upto 12 stories). Yucky...could be like the 2 12 story monsters just down the street from it.
OK, good news, kinda. The property has a commercial overlay. To truly build a hi-rise residential building (or rather ANOTHER one), they will need Community Board 6's consent (not gonna happen in my opinion) and will have to go before the Board of Standards and Appeals (BSA) for an variance to build residential.
That being said, hit up your CB ASAP and see what their Land Use committee may know and feels about the site. the other good news is that this is a gas station. Certainly very costly to remove those tanks and basically dig out the whole are.
There is a new community group you may want to get in touch with: The 4th Avenue Neighborhood Preservation. Do a search for a article 2 weeks ago in the Park Slope Courier.
And good luck!
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thanks for all the info.
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Follow up to my above post. In this week's Brooklyn Papers and on brownstoner.com
http://brooklynpapers.com/html/issues/_vol29/29_46/29_46nets7.html
A bit of "pissing in the wind" in my book, but I always give credit for trying. -
lostingreenwoodhts wrote: If it is 371 4th Ave, well...good news or bad news first?
How do you know that? There's no sale on Propshark, and ACRIS only turns up various recent transactions involving the insurance company -- of which there are also several in years past.
OK bad news first.
The property owner seems to no longer be in the gas biz...
I think (and hope) it would be tough to build residential there, with all the gas-tank issues, etc. But I agree the 4th Avenue group, at this point, is trying to call take-backs on a zoning they either should have tried to stop when it was widely publicized, or already tried and failed. The 12-story monsters on 4th Ave are hideous, but even though I don't want them I think it was a reasonable compromise for protecting the side streets. You were never going to get a ruling that says simply no one can build high anywhere. -
sixthstreeter wrote:
Gut instinct and the rate of growth along 4th Ave. I was chatting with my wife as to why they have only thrown up a crappy stockade fence between the nearest 4th Ave Bricolage 12 story POS next door and the adjacent lot and gas station.
How do you know that? There's no sale on Propshark, and ACRIS only turns up various recent transactions involving the insurance company -- of which there are also several in years past.
2+ years of dealing with zoning issues and over-development has lead me to have a sixth sense, so to speak. Believe me, I'd love to be proved wrong...
gas station clean up is costly, but no biggie. We have anew dev on 23rd and 6th Ave about to begin, and it was a gas station form the 1970's -
lostingreenwoodhts wrote: [quote=sixthstreeter]
Gut instinct and the rate of growth along 4th Ave. I was chatting with my wife as to why they have only thrown up a crappy stockade fence between the nearest 4th Ave Bricolage 12 story POS next door and the adjacent lot and gas station.
How do you know that? There's no sale on Propshark, and ACRIS only turns up various recent transactions involving the insurance company -- of which there are also several in years past.
You are incorrect about this. The gas station is not directly adjacent to the Bricolage site. Fifth Street runs between them, and then on the corner of 5th Street and 4th Avenue, there is a parking lot, belonging to a co-op building on 5th Street, between 5th and the gas station. So it's separated by a street and a parking lot belonging to someone else; the cheap stockade fence is across the street at the building site.
Maybe the owner does have secret plans to get out of the gas business, but if that is your only evidence, I'll consider that good news (or at least non-bad news). Keep your fingers crossed. -
sixthstreeter wrote:
Fingers are crossed, but there have been way to many sales along 4th as of late to be laid back about this. :?
Maybe the owner does have secret plans to get out of the gas business, but if that is your only evidence, I'll consider that good news (or at least non-bad news). Keep your fingers crossed.
The fence was not my "evidence" just a thought as to what was being done/who owned the space. Glad to hear it's the coop's parking and not a vacant lot. never had any thoughts on 5th St, since the frontage needs to be on 4th to benefit from the full R8A build out. -
lostingreenwoodhts wrote: [quote=sixthstreeter]
Fingers are crossed, but there have been way to many sales along 4th as of late to be laid back about this. :?
Maybe the owner does have secret plans to get out of the gas business, but if that is your only evidence, I'll consider that good news (or at least non-bad news). Keep your fingers crossed.
Well, sure, insofar as a lot of buildings on 4th have been sold--like the garage across the street--that's an indication that any given other one could be. It just doesn't do much to prove whether or not this one has been. If anyone knows more, I'd love to hear it. So far all we have is daahookup's original post. (Where did you hear about it in the first place, daahookup?)
Anyway, I only asked because I was wondering if you knew anything else--besides the fence--that made you say the owner was "out of the gas business." In your first post, you basically stated it as fact so I thought maybe he had told you that, or there was a going-out-of-business sign or something. -
Well my brother parks his car in the gas station and they said someone else was taken over, But then he heard from the person who owns the Dinner arcoss the street that it wasn't going to be a gas station.
What Garage across the street you talkinga about Sixthstreeter?
Yes i read that acticle about they upzoned 4th ave so they can downsize side streets. Well look at what they are doing were Danken use to be They are building high on both 4th and 7th street because its going to be a Rap around. I don't care that still is not right to do that. Well there is a stop order on that already. So lets see what happens with that.
With all these big buildings being put up, its going to be a strain on public transperation, subways on 9th street are already too crowded. Already now you can not find a parking spot in the neighborhood. -
daahookup21 wrote: Well my brother parks his car in the gas station and they said someone else was taken over, But then he heard from the person who owns the Dinner arcoss the street that it wasn't going to be a gas station.
The one that used to be the Statewide heating oil company. Sold over a year ago, I think, to a developer for $6.5 million[?]. But from what I hear it has been taking a long time to do anything on the site because, duh, there are all sorts of issues from the oil and gas tanks under the building. The building is still standing.
What Garage across the street you talkinga about Sixthstreeter?
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oh ok yes i heard about that and was wondering what was taken so long. I don't think I can take another big Building going up there. And that is a big property too.
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Subject: NEW INFO
http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006/12/18/gas_pains_fourth_ave_station_out_12_stories_in.php
Posted on Curbed.com today.
Looking grim. :evil: -
Man. The thing I wonder is, how do they physically build a 12-story tower on that site? It's only 70 feet deep -- where do you put the cranes and whatever other equipment you need to build? It's surrounded on all sides by a co-op building and the co-op building's parking lot.
I also wonder if they will buy air rights from the co-op or something. There's an FAR of 6 on 4th Ave, which means if you build 12 stories you can only use half the footprint of the lot. (Right? Or am I misunderstanding the rule?) -
Under the new zoning, they cannot purchase air rights, not use any community facility FAR bumps. Under the revised R8A from the 2003 rezoning, it's a 12 story max (so on that site, it will have a ziggurat effect). Not sure of the rear lot allowance, but it's supposed to be 30 feet, since they are not on a corner.
No fun :evil: -
lostingreenwoodhts wrote: Under the new zoning, they cannot purchase air rights, not use any community facility FAR bumps. Under the revised R8A from the 2003 rezoning, it's a 12 story max (so on that site, it will have a ziggurat effect). Not sure of the rear lot allowance, but it's supposed to be 30 feet, since they are not on a corner.
What's a "rear lot allowance"? (I'm new to all this.)
The lot does abut the corner of 6th Street and 4th Ave, but it does not extend all the way to 5th Street. (There's a parking lot on the side.)
I'll check with CB 6 and see if they've heard anything. -
omg you go to me kidding me, this is not right. This is not helping Park Slope at all. People buy up these places and build 12 story housing. But we are going to need Gas stations, school, public transpertation to deal with all the new people coming in to the neighborhood.
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1) Public transportation - right underneath 4th Avenue. It's known as the subway. Stops at Union St. and 9th Street. FYI the new buildings are probably going to be built with parking.
2) 4th Avenue has plenty of gas stations. Hess and another BP are just down the block.
3) The zoning was put in to protect the zoning of those blocks up the hill.
Thems politics for ya. Get used to it. 4th Avenue has been "underbuilt" forever. Now the area west of 5th Avenue to the Gowanus is the new growth area. -
I believe R8A zoning requires parking for only 40% of the apartments. Not sure how that is calculated, but that's what I read in the description of R8A.
I'm not going to weep for the loss of a gas station (they're GAS stations, by definition you can drive to one). But things like schools are another concern. I think we do need to build more housing even if it's inconvenient for me. It just bothers me that we're doing it without any apparent planning for infrastructure such as schools. -
lostingreenwoodhts wrote: OK, good news, kinda. The property has a commercial overlay. To truly build a hi-rise residential building (or rather ANOTHER one), they will need Community Board 6's consent (not gonna happen in my opinion) and will have to go before the Board of Standards and Appeals (BSA) for an variance to build residential.
I contacted CB 6. The only thing the commercial overlay means is that they can put a commercial tenant on the first floor as of right. They don't need special approval to build a residential building. CB 6 has not heard anything about the property yet.
Another thing I learned is that under R8A zoning, you can build on up to 80% of a corner lot. Now with about 60,000 buildable square feet, divided by 80% of the square footage of the lot, you get about 7.5 stories. I think they can add a small percentage to the buildable square footage (20% maybe?) by agreeing to include affordable housing. But even with that, you don't get enough for 12 stories, unless you make the building really tall and narrow. Not that an 8 story building is exactly tiny.
I suppose they could buy land from the co-op next door, if it were willing to sell its parking lot. Anyone from that co-op out there? -
sixthstreeter wrote:
Thanks for the update. you are incorrect, only slightly on the FAR issue. They CAN go 12 stories, but it will need to have 2-3 set backs to achieve the height under the current FAR. All of our hope should be that they will nto try to maximise their height, but who knows. The other "good news" is there will have to be an off -street parking component along the lines of 6 spaces for every 10 units.
I contacted CB 6. The only thing the commercial overlay means is that they can put a commercial tenant on the first floor as of right. They don't need special approval to build a residential building. CB 6 has not heard anything about the property yet.
Another thing I learned is that under R8A zoning, you can build on up to 80% of a corner lot. Now with about 60,000 buildable square feet, divided by 80% of the square footage of the lot, you get about 7.5 stories.
Now they could goto the BSA to gain that addition living space, and most likely will, rather than lease out to a commercial tenant. Work with CB6, who are great.
Please keep us posted, or PM/e-mail me with any updates.
Keep up the great sleuthing -
Subject: Transportation suffers
The R train is going to suffer for all the additional mobs of people suddenly being housed on 4th Avenue, not just in these megatowers, but in in the various hotel chains that seem to be sprouting up all over, like the Holiday Inn on Union (!) and a Days Inn that I think is now on Prospect Avenue or thereabouts. Plus all the thousands and thousands that will crowd into Ratner's new Metropolis. Are there any plans for these developers to chip in to add more trains to the N/R/Q lines? The trains have already started to suffer from the demographic shift. -
Korla Pundit, preaching to the choir, here!
No once has considered the impact of ANY of the new condo dev in Brooklyn, small or large scale. 8 units or 2000+ and how it effects the current inadequate infrastructure.
Perhaps Mayor Mike's new 2030 "wake-up call" PR campaign will address this?
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Actually the imapct of new condo/construction was considered when Northern Park Slope was rezoned
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/parkslope/parkslope3.shtml
And while you may feel that we need more subways, buses etc.... there is little question that with a rising population and insanely high housing costs, 4th Ave - which is wide, underutilized and next to a couple of subway lines makes an excellent place for residential development. -
friendlypitbull, let's agree to disagree on that one...especially with major developments also going up on 19th/4th and 4th btwn 17/18th Sts.
How many more people will that be then? :shock: -
friendlypitbull wrote: Actually the imapct of new condo/construction was considered when Northern Park Slope was rezoned
I agree that 4th Ave was underutilized and makes sense for development. BUT I don't see anything in the page you linked to that shows the city considered the effects on infrastructure of adding new housing. Nothing about schools, for instance. And while it says that 4th Avenue is accessible to subway lines, it doesn't say anything one way or another about how well the subways could handle the influx of residents.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/parkslope/parkslope3.shtml
I agree we've got to add housing, but to me the city's strategy has been to pretend that the new residents will have no effect on infrastructure or services.
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