Atlantic Yards approved
From NYTimes.com:
A state oversight board voted this afternoon to approve the Atlantic Yards project near Downtown Brooklyn, knocking down the last regulatory hurdle for the biggest real estate project in Brooklyn history.Let the weeping begin.
The vote by the Public Authorities Control Board capped three years of bitter battles between opponents and supporters of the $4 billion project. The version approved today — 8 million square feet over 22 acres along Atlantic Avenue — includes a huge residential housing complex with about 6,400 market-rate and subsidized apartments, a basketball arena for the New Jersey Nets, and a smattering of office space, with the design punctuated by elaborately designed towers that dwarf nearby residential neighborhoods.
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What!?!
Damn. Add one more to my list of grievances. -
I just came in to post this..lol..guess there was never really any doubt that it would go through
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Sorry Daniel : (
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Speaking for the minority: WOO-HOO!!!!
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I'm in favor of the project. In general I think those against it are more vocal than those opposed to it.
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Subject: Re: Atlantic Yards approved
8thandPrez wrote: From NYTimes.com:
Two important changes not noted in the above:A state oversight board voted this afternoon to approve the Atlantic Yards project near Downtown Brooklyn, knocking down the last regulatory hurdle for the biggest real estate project in Brooklyn history.
Let the weeping begin.
The vote by the Public Authorities Control Board capped three years of bitter battles between opponents and supporters of the $4 billion project. The version approved today — 8 million square feet over 22 acres along Atlantic Avenue — includes a huge residential housing complex with about 6,400 market-rate and subsidized apartments, a basketball arena for the New Jersey Nets, and a smattering of office space, with the design punctuated by elaborately designed towers that dwarf nearby residential neighborhoods.
1. None of the new buildings will exceed the Williamsburgh Saving Bank building in height.
2. Ratner will add between 600 and 1,000 units of affordable ownership housing to the project, in addition to the 2,250 affordable rental units. All of the affordable rental units will be built on the site, while at least 200 of the affordable ownership units will be built on site.
Aside from the Atlantic Yards project, several new residential towers are currently being constructed in the Fort Greene/DUMBO area. None include any affordable housing nor have any of the developers reached out to the community with a Community Benefit Agreement. -
Subject: Re: Atlantic Yards approved
greg wrote: None of the new buildings will exceed the Williamsburgh Saving Bank building in height.
Ugh - that infuriates me to no end. The arguments used re: the height of the Miss Brooklyn building make me crazy. If Brooklyn never gets a bldg higher than the WSB, it will be a crying shame. -
I'm Loving It. Danny Boy must be pissed off.
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Hooray for eminent domain.
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Subject: Re: Atlantic Yards approved
8thandPrez wrote: [quote=greg]None of the new buildings will exceed the Williamsburgh Saving Bank building in height.
Ugh - that infuriates me to no end. The arguments used re: the height of the Miss Brooklyn building make me crazy. If Brooklyn never gets a bldg higher than the WSB, it will be a crying shame.
Sort of like the "Let's get all fucking nostalgic for Ebbet's field and the Brooklyn Dodgers memory. -
Subject: Re: Atlantic Yards approved
greg wrote: Ratner will add between 600 and 1,000 units of affordable ownership housing to the project, in addition to the 2,250 affordable rental units. All of the affordable rental units will be built on the site, while at least 200 of the affordable ownership units will be built on site.
I think I read somewhere that what the developer intends to be affordable rental units is for households with a 75K income. If that is indeed the case, then it is not affordable as defined by those in the know. Does anyone know more about this? -
What a wonderful day it is! Folks, say hello to the new Prospect Heights. I, too, was annoyed that they agreed to reduce the height of Ms. Brooklyn, but it will be great to see the railyards finally get developed. Good points, Greg. I agree that ol' Dan Goldstein must be sputtering. It amazes me just how miserably he and the others have failed in their efforts to block or significantly alter this project. Oh well, that's what you get when leadership is comprised of dotcom brats who haven't a lick of experience with community organizing.
Goooooooooooooo Nets!!! -
Subject: Re: Atlantic Yards approved
MichaelKeys wrote: [quote=greg]Ratner will add between 600 and 1,000 units of affordable ownership housing to the project, in addition to the 2,250 affordable rental units. All of the affordable rental units will be built on the site, while at least 200 of the affordable ownership units will be built on site.
I think I read somewhere that what the developer intends to be affordable rental units is for households with a 75K income. If that is indeed the case, then it is not affordable as defined by those in the know. Does anyone know more about this?
The levels of affordability are laid out in the Community Benefits Agreement. They vary but include units affordable to families making a household annual income of as little as $35,000 for a two bedroom. -
bah!
let's hope they find the balance between affordable housing and a brand new beautiful project. -
Using eminent domain to take private property for a private developer creeps me out -- BUT I also think it's obnoxious to ask that a project like this be overhauled all so that Dan Goldstein can keep his apartment.
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fantastic,
I bought properties over there in anticipation of this.
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I'm so pleased that this has been approved. It's important for Brooklyn to move forward and continue to develop into a world-class destination! Affordable housing and an NBA team in Brooklyn -- absolutely fantastic!
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ugh.
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Seems like this is the PRO-Atlantic Yards thread. I just gotta say, I'm all for the Nets coming to Brooklyn, and for an arena and all that. But this project is so fuckin big!!! TOO fuckin' big. No more casual strolls between Ft Greene and P Heights; Get used to the idea of less sunlight and visible skies; Get used to even more traffic down Flatbush, Washington, Atlantic, Fulton St; and say hello to even more rapid gentrification throughout the heart of Brooklyn.
Couldn't, and shouldn't, the plan be an arena and maybe just a few surronding buildings???? :? -
Subject: Re: Atlantic Yards approved
greg wrote: The levels of affordability are laid out in the Community Benefits Agreement. They vary but include units affordable to families making a household annual income of as little as $35,000 for a two bedroom.
Speaking as someone with that income, that's actually...not as affordable as you'd think. -
This is a sad day for Prospect Heights
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God forbid that the evil Dan Goldstein actually feel he has a right to live in his own house. Thank the skies that good, honest, God fearing folk like Marty Markowitz, Rev. Al, the Good Right Reverend Doughtery and the folks at BAM now have their God given right to build a multi-billion dollar monstrosity on a "blighted" area such as Prospect Heights. I wait in anticipation for the day when another developer decides that the rest of the side streets between Atlantic Avenue and Eastern Parkway don't represent the true Brooklyn because they architecture and residents are not representative of the "Dodger" spirit and should thus be leveled so another Ghery can make more Ms Brooklyns. =D>
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Anonymous wrote: This is a sad day for Prospect Heights
You fret too much. The government has the right to act as private muscle for companies that will re-vitalize blighted areas such as Fort Greene and Prospect Heights put much needed money in their coffers. China does it all the time. -
Anonymous wrote: Using eminent domain to take private property for a private developer creeps me out -- BUT I also think it's obnoxious to ask that a project like this be overhauled all so that Dan Goldstein can keep his apartment.
No, it's obnoxious that the project was designed in such a way that it required demolishing his property. -
qtrain wrote: [quote=Anonymous]Using eminent domain to take private property for a private developer creeps me out -- BUT I also think it's obnoxious to ask that a project like this be overhauled all so that Dan Goldstein can keep his apartment.
No, it's obnoxious that the project was designed in such a way that it required demolishing his property.
So basically, no one should ever plan a project in New York City that would require a single person to move. -
i feel the same way im not opposed to the stadium just the immense size of the other buildings in the project. well hopefully it will increase the property values a bit in prospect heights so i can sell and then move to windsor terrace. i kind of like it over there nice and quiet.
god i cant imagine the corner of flatbush and atlantic ave getting even more traffic. i mean i dont think its physically possible.izisharp wrote: Seems like this is the PRO-Atlantic Yards thread. I just gotta say, I'm all for the Nets coming to Brooklyn, and for an arena and all that. But this project is so fuckin big!!! TOO fuckin' big. No more casual strolls between Ft Greene and P Heights; Get used to the idea of less sunlight and visible skies; Get used to even more traffic down Flatbush, Washington, Atlantic, Fulton St; and say hello to even more rapid gentrification throughout the heart of Brooklyn.
Couldn't, and shouldn't, the plan be an arena and maybe just a few surronding buildings???? :? -
Idlewild wrote: God forbid that the evil Dan Goldstein actually feel he has a right to live in his own house. Thank the skies that good, honest, God fearing folk like Marty Markowitz, Rev. Al, the Good Right Reverend Doughtery and the folks at BAM now have their God given right to build a multi-billion dollar monstrosity on a "blighted" area such as Prospect Heights. I wait in anticipation for the day when another developer decides that the rest of the side streets between Atlantic Avenue and Eastern Parkway don't represent the true Brooklyn because their architecture and residents are not representative of the "Dodger" spirit and should thus be leveled so another Ghery can make more Ms Brooklyns. =D>
Very well put, Idlewild. This is NOT about Dan Goldstein, people. Please. It’s disingenuous at the very best to make it the focus of this issue when there are larger questions to be answered, among them, who the hell is looking out for you? Not any of those mentioned above. Let’s see that they get their comeuppance. If not by defeating Ratner’s Folly then let’s make sure we find a way to somehow decrease the influence and power of Markowitz, Sharpton, etc. And boycott BAM, Brooklyn Breweries et al.
In the meantime, it’s on, I guess. But let’s fight this thing ‘til the bitter end. Which is already here… -
It is a dark day now that Atlantic Yards has been approved. Hopefully the courts can scale back some of the over-development.
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Agreed that this is bigger than Daniel and his apt. But as far as "guest" taking potshots at him, that is weak. Daniel has shown major cujones during this whole affair. Regardless of how you feel about the project, and if you wholeheartedly support it it probably hasn't been properly explained to you, give the man props for taking the role of leader and showing principle and courage in the face of billionaires. Unfortunately in this country money trumps good ideas so Daniel, and the rest of us in the footprint will inevitably be forced to relinquish ownership of a great neighborhood.
I could give a crap if there is a taller building than the w'burg, but I don't like to see great real communities full of interesting people forcefully disbanded for chain stores and condos for commuters. This project could have gone a lot better but the way it is now I'm going to have to relocate to somewhere I don't care about just to be far from the dust and congestion that the next 10 years will bring. -
Anonymous wrote: So basically, no one should ever plan a project in New York City that would require a single person to move.
You're being obtuse; eminent domain is justified is many cases.
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