Hipster poll
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I'm not for hating on models and designers, but you have to admit that hipster and trustafarian types cluster in certain industries/jobs. I've never met any busboy or legal secretary hipsters.
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EmilyM wrote: I'm not for hating on models and designers, but you have to admit that hipster and trustafarian types cluster in certain industries/jobs. I've never met any busboy or legal secretary hipsters.
I do know busboy hipsters, but definitely not legal secretaries. It's not cool to work that hard and be corporate or whatever. -
Candicissima wrote: [quote=EmilyM]I'm not for hating on models and designers, but you have to admit that hipster and trustafarian types cluster in certain industries/jobs. I've never met any busboy or legal secretary hipsters.
I do know busboy hipsters, but definitely not legal secretaries. It's not cool to work that hard and be corporate or whatever.
crap, I'm so not cool. I had no idea.
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Subject: It's ok to hate pretense in hipsters, but not others?
t-fal wrote: hey now...some of us work in the fashion industry. stop the hateration
Perhaps we can just agree to disagree. My prob with fashion designers is a classist thing. My upstairs neighbors are both fashion folk, and they're fine, low-key people, but the pretense and support of a cash-intensive lifestyle (rich folk buying expensive clothes) by some designers bugs me. It's that side of fashion that's bothersome.
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what's with the model hate too? not all are as you've described them...they are just like the rest of the population, just better looking in pictures. some are assholes, some are fake, but some are sweet genuine people, and there's nothing wrong with trading on your looks while you still have them.
On the model side, as far as there being anything wrong with trading on your looks, yeah, there is. Of all the things you could do with your life, why that? "Looking great in pictures?!" That's not a real job description. It's a waste of time and energy on the order of astrology. In a sense, I probably have the anti-Aesthetic Fallacy; Beauty is Not Truth, at least in models. Oh, and acting is different. If a beautiful person is an actor, fine; acting is a performance art.
It's projection, and my problem, not models'. Associate with them as you wish. Again, let's agree to disagree. -
alafairnadia wrote: [quote=Candicissima][quote=EmilyM]I'm not for hating on models and designers, but you have to admit that hipster and trustafarian types cluster in certain industries/jobs. I've never met any busboy or legal secretary hipsters.
I do know busboy hipsters, but definitely not legal secretaries. It's not cool to work that hard and be corporate or whatever.
crap, I'm so not cool. I had no idea.
Now, see I was just saying I didn't know any! Damned generalizations! :oops: -
I once knew an aerospace engineer hipster.
she really wanted to draw comic books. her day job was at Boeing. -
Candicissima wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]crap, I'm so not cool. I had no idea.
Now, see I was just saying I didn't know any! Damned generalizations! :oops:
no worries. I have zero interest in being cool, aside from employing my AC. the only thing I'm interested in right now is a nap. -
My first place in nyc back in the 90's was over on north 8th and wythe. I thought the place was a dump at first, and I was slowly able to meet some other queer/progressive types to show me the ropes. It was anything to get me out of that hell-hole of the bad college town mentaility--meets--high school hallway drama. I'm an artist and have never felt so disconnected from the "billyburg" art community. None of this probably makes any sense...i'm just rantin'
someone hand me the can of gasoline and I'll provide the match.... -
Is anybody here friends with any real live hipsters? All these posts are hating on hipsters (understandably) - but it would be great to see a point-counterpoint debate right here on DH.
Calling all hipsters! Unite and bring forth your leader for a smackdown! -
arielbl wrote: I once knew an aerospace engineer hipster.
My old roomate designed SP1 for Windows XP, made robots as a hobby and side job and was far, far...waaaaaaay more hipster than me. He'd be out at clubs partying all night, sleeping all afternoon and coding and saudering circuitboards between the hours of 3-10 AM. He was geek chic personified. Also, this was all done while living in a Williamsburg loft. 8)
she really wanted to draw comic books. her day job was at Boeing. -
Lucas wrote: Is anybody here friends with any real live hipsters? All these posts are hating on hipsters (understandably) - but it would be great to see a point-counterpoint debate right here on DH.
hahaha. I have a pile of friends who are hipsters and, coincidentally, are transplants from seattle, and live in either the east village, LES, or billyburg. well, not all the hipsters I know live in those places, but most do. they don't bother me too much, but I sometimes find the whole "pretty people are the bomb/why weren't you at every show I went to this week?" attitude irritating. which is why I heart soda.
Calling all hipsters! Unite and bring forth your leader for a smackdown!
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It's funny... when I first started hanging out at Freddys I was initially labelled a 'hipster'. It took a long time for people to accept that I actually did have opinions of my own, despite the fact that I occasionally like to dress like Michael Douglas in 'Falling Down'. (nb Freddys is obviously given to a 'you gotta prove yourself' sorta attitude anyway.)
My 2 best friends lived in w'burg for about 2 years. I always had a good time hanging out there, although alot of shit is overpriced because of the trustaman (apologies EmilyM) element.
And to splice two two two great topics in one, one of my w'burg friends is in *gasp* high end fashion. But most of the people at the top end (models and designers) are far too well dressed to be slapped with the label 'hipster'. And being a hipster is, in large part, about the look.
I lived in Boston from '99-'02, not too far away from the fantastic Garment District and B-Side lounge, both epicenters of Boaston hipsterizm. I used to sport my mesh and foam Pittsburgh Maulers (USFL, anyone? Hello?) trucker hat around-- which I hasten to add I actually purchased in Junior High. When I moved to BK, to paraphrase St. Paulie, I put away childish things. It didn't take long to see that what elsewhere was unique, was here ubiquitous.
So, in conclusion, I can't really stand hipsterz anymore. But they don't bother me all that much; I view them like they're freshman in the hallways of the high school of life. -
pensodyssey wrote: So, in conclusion, I can't really stand hipsterz anymore. But they don't bother me all that much; I view them like they're freshman in the hallways of the high school of life.
Not only is that a good observation, it's really good writing. Of course, if life is like high school, that's even more depressing. Still, nice touch. -
Candicissima wrote: [quote=EmilyM]I'm not for hating on models and designers, but you have to admit that hipster and trustafarian types cluster in certain industries/jobs. I've never met any busboy or legal secretary hipsters.
I do know busboy hipsters, but definitely not legal secretaries. It's not cool to work that hard and be corporate or whatever.
Well Im a legal secretary and have some big hips - so Im a hipster
Sorry I couldn't resist.
Its funny but we just came back from South Carolina and the people that we met there seem to think that anyone from Brooklyn (not Manhattan) are "hipsters". They would stop us in the street to ask us where we got certain things we were wearing - and they would stop my nephew to ask how he gets his hair like he does (spiked). It was really weird. -
stacey wrote: [quote=Candicissima][quote=EmilyM]I'm not for hating on models and designers, but you have to admit that hipster and trustafarian types cluster in certain industries/jobs. I've never met any busboy or legal secretary hipsters.
I do know busboy hipsters, but definitely not legal secretaries. It's not cool to work that hard and be corporate or whatever.
Well Im a legal secretary and have some big hips - so Im a hipster
Sorry I couldn't resist.
Its funny but we just came back from South Carolina and the people that we met there seem to think that anyone from Brooklyn (not Manhattan) are "hipsters". They would stop us in the street to ask us where we got certain things we were wearing - and they would stop my nephew to ask how he gets his hair like he does (spiked). It was really weird.
Trying being from Vermont. Fucking heathens. I was camping with some friends a month or so ago and some yahoo actually stood over my shoulder and read my cellphone text messages out loud because "goll-dangit, twas one o' dem there cell-phones thingies and lookit what cityboy can do-hoowee, let's fuck sheep".
I just about beat him to death. -
Once I was waiting in line for the bathroom at a Broadway show we were taking on out of town visitor to see, and the person behind me loudly proclaimed my Palm Pilot to be the weirdest Game Boy she ever saw.
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Subject: Re: It's ok to hate pretense in hipsters, but not others?
JamesonVandy wrote: Perhaps we can just agree to disagree. My prob with fashion designers is a classist thing. My upstairs neighbors are both fashion folk, and they're fine, low-key people, but the pretense and support of a cash-intensive lifestyle (rich folk buying expensive clothes) by some designers bugs me. It's that side of fashion that's bothersome.
I personally cannot agree to disagree (as if it matters one iota).
On the model side, as far as there being anything wrong with trading on your looks, yeah, there is. Of all the things you could do with your life, why that? "Looking great in pictures?!" That's not a real job description. It's a waste of time and energy on the order of astrology. In a sense, I probably have the anti-Aesthetic Fallacy; Beauty is Not Truth, at least in models. Oh, and acting is different. If a beautiful person is an actor, fine; acting is a performance art.
It's projection, and my problem, not models'. Associate with them as you wish. Again, let's agree to disagree.
But "fashion" is not all about "rich folk" ... in fact, much of "fashion" these days emanates from "the street" ... and if "rich folk" want to pay scads of money to look "street" well that's their problem.
I personally sense not only "classism" from you, but also "sexism" ... sorry for being so harsh. -
Subject: Re: It's ok to hate pretense in hipsters, but not others?
FLUTE wrote: [quote=JamesonVandy]Perhaps we can just agree to disagree. My prob with fashion designers is a classist thing. My upstairs neighbors are both fashion folk, and they're fine, low-key people, but the pretense and support of a cash-intensive lifestyle (rich folk buying expensive clothes) by some designers bugs me. It's that side of fashion that's bothersome.
I personally cannot agree to disagree (as if it matters one iota).
On the model side, as far as there being anything wrong with trading on your looks, yeah, there is. Of all the things you could do with your life, why that? "Looking great in pictures?!" That's not a real job description. It's a waste of time and energy on the order of astrology. In a sense, I probably have the anti-Aesthetic Fallacy; Beauty is Not Truth, at least in models. Oh, and acting is different. If a beautiful person is an actor, fine; acting is a performance art.
It's projection, and my problem, not models'. Associate with them as you wish. Again, let's agree to disagree.
But "fashion" is not all about "rich folk" ... in fact, much of "fashion" these days emanates from "the street" ... and if "rich folk" want to pay scads of money to look "street" well that's their problem.
I personally sense not only "classism" from you, but also "sexism" ... sorry for being so harsh.
Whoa. Where in any of my posts am I sexist? Please point it out. We all know that e-mail and online posts suck for gauging tone accurately, but if anything sexist came across, I want to know so that I can fix it. Also, my qualifiers noted which specific parts of fashion I disdain (classist, pretentious pap). As such, I was pulling back from criticizing fashion as a whole. You might want to go back again and read what I wrote.
So, don't agree to disagree. Have fun.
P.S. Yes, I just noticed that it bothers me, an anti-upperclass person, when I detect classism by those same people. I admit the problem. My glass house is quite comfortable, thank you. At least it's affordable. -
i was also in boston, but during the black spock hair, teased at the crown northern soul dancing hipster era. god i EVEN lived on glenville ave and hung out at the model cafe. i remained true to myself, a born bottled blonde, and thus had no hip friends :roll: but i learned to appreciate what really mattered in the people one chooses to chill with.
i think the people of law firm jobs past are far more classist, elitist, obnoxious, and superficial than my current fashion industry present. -
Anonymous wrote: i was also in boston, but during the black spock hair, teased at the crown northern soul dancing hipster era. god i EVEN lived on glenville ave and hung out at the model cafe. i remained true to myself, a born bottled blonde, and thus had no hip friends :roll: but i learned to appreciate what really mattered in the people one chooses to chill with.
Speaking of Spock hair... This is what you get for making fun of my secret name in the other thread....T-Fal (yes, I see your IP) :evil:
i think the people of law firm jobs past are far more classist, elitist, obnoxious, and superficial than my current fashion industry present.
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Anonymous wrote: i was also in boston, but during the black spock hair, teased at the crown northern soul dancing hipster era. god i EVEN lived on glenville ave and hung out at the model cafe. i remained true to myself, a born bottled blonde, and thus had no hip friends :roll: but i learned to appreciate what really mattered in the people one chooses to chill with.
hey something is totally wrong with my computer or the site...i dunno it looked like i was logged in. but yeah, this is me too.
i think the people of law firm jobs past are far more classist, elitist, obnoxious, and superficial than my current fashion industry present. -
Subject: Re: It's ok to hate pretense in hipsters, but not others?
JamesonVandy wrote: We all know that e-mail and online posts suck for gauging tone accurately ... I just noticed that it bothers me, an anti-upperclass person, when I detect classism by those same people. I admit the problem. My glass house is quite comfortable, thank you. At least it's affordable.
I get where you're coming from. And, no, it doesn't appear that you were being sexist, I apologize for that low blow.
At the same time, I personally am not necessarily "anti-upperclass" in the same sense that I'm not "anti-model" or "anti-fashion industry" ... (and, by the way, and I doubt that it is necessary to state this, but I will: I'm neither upperclass, a model nor in the fashion industry).
I guess I just recoil from what I perceive as broad generalizations of people ... we're all unique entities and everyone has a different story and a multitude of reasons as to where we are today and how we got there.
But, ok, I agree to disagree. -
Flute and I had a nice exchange of notes. All is well.
That having been said, here's some fresh wince food regarding (in their words) Williamsburg hipsters in today's Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/25/AR2005082501818.html
(free registration required). -
I just read that article. No words. Really. :roll:
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JamesonVandy wrote: Flute and I had a nice exchange of notes. All is well.
I think the female DJ quoted in that article is going to be a regular at Soda. I *think*. Is that the girl who showed up, rhodamine?
That having been said, here's some fresh wince food regarding (in their words) Williamsburg hipsters in today's Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/25/AR2005082501818.html
(free registration required).
er, maybe not. oh well. emailed DJ shuf to try to find out.
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