Nominate a blog for the ProHo List

dailyheights · August 2005

First of all, let's get this out of the way: "ProHo" is not a seriously used term. It is a joke term invented by Isa. Hordes of gentrifying yuppies are not running around saying ProHo this and ProHo that.

Second, we need to update the ProHo list (and CroHo and Slope lists) that appears on dailyheights.com. Nominate your blog/website. Nominate your neighbor's blog. Nominate your friend's blog.

Also, these blogs are about to be dropped, unless someone can make a good case for them (nothing personal, but the List is supposed to reflect the zeitgeist of dailyheights, and these guys just haven't been making the scene recently, to my knowledge:

* Faust Haus
* Lava Studio
* Zocalo Software
* pursue the pulse

quig · August 2005

Whew.. Dodged that bullet.

bluedove · August 2005

My husband is about to update his webcomic/blog site this weekend (it's been on hiatus but he's starting it back up, plus redesigning for better navigability), but after that it would be awesome to have it on.

www.cowpunch.com

Also, thanks for that first sentence, because when I mentioned the "ProHo" list last night he was not amused (when he thought I was serious).

apollonia666 · August 2005

Subject: Re: Nominate a blog for the ProHo List

dailyheights wrote: Second, we need to update the ProHo list (and CroHo and Slope lists) that appears on dailyheights.com. Nominate your blog/website. Nominate your neighbor's blog. Nominate your friend's blog.

Also, these blogs are about to be dropped, unless someone can make a good case for them (nothing personal, but the List is supposed to reflect the zeitgeist of dailyheights, and these guys just haven't been making the scene recently, to my knowledge

How neighborhoody does the blog have to be, and would you consider Boerum Hill blogs? (Or should that be BoHi? Or the dreaded "BoCoCa"?) I have a blog, but don't know how much it represents any sort of zeitgeist. What about Boerum Hill blogs written by ProHo wannabes who hang out more in your neighborhood than in their own?

dailyheights · August 2005

what's the blog?

unterberg · August 2005

She's disqualified...she said "BoCoCa"....;)

apollonia666 · August 2005

unterberg wrote: She's disqualified...she said "BoCoCa"....;)

Yeah, yeah, you can kiss my bococa, right HERE baby.

My site's http://uffish.com, but I just want to warn you that I didn't post about Freddy's tonight just to get into your good graces. I swear.

jack · August 2005

I nominate my own photo site, Pic Patrol since it focuses on often ignored parts of NYC and is updated quite regularly.

But then again, it's not very ProHo? Does it count that I can't stand the term BoCoCa?

SoLameIs...

daveb · August 2005

apollonia666 wrote: Yeah, yeah, you can kiss my bococa, right HERE baby.

Yeah motherfucker!

dailyheights · August 2005

alright... let's get this blog-whoring ball rolling already.

The ultra-exclusive ProHo list is for anybody who actively participates in Daily Heights. So uffish.com, a hilarious and entertaining blog, definitely belongs on the ProHo List.

I'm sorry that this rule also disqualifies cowpunch.com. If "mrbluedove" appears in the registered user list at some time in the future, then of course we can revisit this issue.

Pic patrol is one of the better Brooklyn photo sites I've seen recently - I will gladly add it to the blandly titled "Photos of NYC" list or whatever we are calling it now.

What else?

apollonia666 · August 2005

WOOHOO! I feel so *validated*!

So I'd like to put a word in for Sarah Brown's blog, Que Sera Sera (http://queserasera.org/), even though she hasn't posted in forfuckingever. I think Marc Balgavy (http://balgavy.com/blog/) also lives in PH; he read at Cringe last time and was high-larious. And Blaise K.'s of Bazima (http://www.bazima.com/hello.htm); and Kiri of Non C'est Realite (http://noncestrealite.com); and Lia of Cheesedip (http://cheesedip.com) - they all live in Park Slope

Unterberg has a site too, although I'll leave it to him to pimp it if he wants 'cause I don't know if he's as much of an attention whore as I am.

I'm glad you like the site, for serious. Thank you.

muk · August 2005

Subject: Navel gazing!

I was going to nominate my own retarded blog until I noticed that you just put it up there... with top billing.

Let the disappointment begin!

rhodamine · August 2005

http://www.citynoise.org

alafairnadia · August 2005

my blog is private. if you're my friend, though, you can friend me on LJ. but since the only people I know here for real already have, this post is entirely redundant and can be ignored. though this post would like it's 401(k) and health insurance, please. thx.

bluedove · August 2005

dailyheights wrote:
I'm sorry that this rule also disqualifies cowpunch.com. If "mrbluedove" appears in the registered user list at some time in the future, then of course we can revisit this issue.

Unfortunately, I'm the one bored enough at work to become a "Grand Master" on here in less than two weeks. Though he does listen to me talk about everything I "talked" about on here every day (and learned about the hood) with great enthusiasm.

dailyheights · August 2005

alafairnadia wrote: if you're my friend, though, you can friend me on LJ.

I still don't "get" the whole live journal concept, but looking through the referrer logs, I did notice that Daily Heights is suddenly "friends" with at least a dozen LJ users over the past few weeks.

rhodamine · August 2005

dailyheights wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]if you're my friend, though, you can friend me on LJ.

I still don't "get" the whole live journal concept, but looking through the referrer logs, I did notice that Daily Heights is suddenly "friends" with at least a dozen LJ users over the past few weeks.

lj is exactly like DH. its a forum where you post and comment. friends lists are useful so that you can read the most recent updates of tons of specific blogs on one page.

its pretty utilitarian and somewhat an island fro mthe rest of blogging, but its a pretty useful model.

daveb · August 2005

dailyheights wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]if you're my friend, though, you can friend me on LJ.

I still don't "get" the whole live journal concept, but looking through the referrer logs, I did notice that Daily Heights is suddenly "friends" with at least a dozen LJ users over the past few weeks.

I've been sorely tempted to ban and blacklist all livejournal users from referring to and from my site. A lot of webmasters do. Most anti spam and referral apps list anything from LJ on a greylist (as opposed to white and black) because it's so problematic. Still, some people use it.

dailyheights · August 2005

Why is it problematic?

rhodamine · August 2005

daveb wrote: [quote=dailyheights][quote=alafairnadia]if you're my friend, though, you can friend me on LJ.

I still don't "get" the whole live journal concept, but looking through the referrer logs, I did notice that Daily Heights is suddenly "friends" with at least a dozen LJ users over the past few weeks.

I've been sorely tempted to ban and blacklist all livejournal users from referring to and from my site. A lot of webmasters do. Most anti spam and referral apps list anything from LJ on a greylist (as opposed to white and black) because it's so problematic. Still, some people use it.

not to get off topic, but just because its fanbase is primarily net-ignorant teenagers doesnt mean its problematic. ive been using it pretty much daily for almost 5 years and have had a great time with it. it does what it proports to do, and its supported really well... especially after its recent takeover by six apart.

im curious to know why you think its problematic too. i get tons of referrals to citynoise form lj, and i think thats great

daveb · August 2005

A few reasons.

Everyone I know here that's a LJ user is on the up and up, so don't take this as an attack, but more of a criticism of LJ and it's policies or lack of.

LJ, by virtue of being a free service that is largely unpoliced has a really bad rap with content theft, hotlinking and spamming. The first two mostly done by the thousands of snotty nosed teens that use the service, that are too lazy to create or come up with ideas of their own.

Personally, I've had blog posts from my site reposted on LJ sites with someone other than me posing as the author and mass images hotlinked from my site.

Also, a new trend with spammers that's now starting to take serious hold is setting up fake blogs on LJ and blogger and using them to content spam, comment spam and refer spam, hoping to fool people that since it's address is a blogging service, the webmasters will think their legit without bothering to check the site out.

These guys are also notorious for scraping a blog and reposting it elsewhere on LJ or blogger, littered with spam links. Straight up theft. Low fucking shit to use someone's thoughts and ideas to further your poker site.

Blogger actively fights these problems. It's a battle, but they really try. LJ, from what I've experienced, doesn't do shit.

alafairnadia · August 2005

dailyheights wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]if you're my friend, though, you can friend me on LJ.

I still don't "get" the whole live journal concept, but looking through the referrer logs, I did notice that Daily Heights is suddenly "friends" with at least a dozen LJ users over the past few weeks.

I was pretty against the entire blogging thing for years -- very much prefer email and listservs. But as more and more of my friends (my age, too, which is kinda interesting, considering that I'm 30) were ceasing their listserv activities and heading into blog-land, I started to get more interested. And, since I'm a lazy, rut-oriented person, I basically need to OCD dive into something if I'm going to use it. So I joined LJ, because that's the blog most of my friends were using, and most of them post friends-only, because they don't want to have random people reading stuff about their lives. Also, a lot of non-personal listservs I've used in the past have decreased email volume and started LJ communities. so, in less than a year (and I've been online forever and ever and ever, but am such a throwback), I've gone from thinking blogging is retarded to being totally in love with it. LJ is still way more public than I like to operate -- I hate that someone can look at my user info page and find out way too much about me and my personal tastes, for instance. but then, that's why it's pretty hard to figure out who exactly I am based on my user info page alone.
Oh, the DH link that I friended on LJ is broken. No clue why but it doesn't post updates.

Yes, I'm still trying to figure out RSS etc.

rhodamine · August 2005

daveb wrote: A few reasons.

Everyone I know here that's a LJ user is on the up and up, so don't take this as an attack, but more of a criticism of LJ and it's policies or lack of.

LJ, by virtue of being a free service that is largely unpoliced has a really bad rap with content theft, hotlinking and spamming. The first two mostly done by the thousands of snotty nosed teens that use the service, that are too lazy to create or come up with ideas of their own.

Personally, I've had blog posts from my site reposted on LJ sites with someone other than me posing as the author and mass images hotlinked from my site.

Also, a new trend with spammers that's now starting to take serious hold is setting up fake blogs on LJ and blogger and using them to content spam, comment spam and refer spam, hoping to fool people that since it's address is a blogging service, the webmasters will think their legit without bothering to check the site out.

These guys are also notorious for scraping a blog and reposting it elsewhere on LJ or blogger, littered with spam links. Straight up theft. Low fucking shit to use someone's thoughts and ideas to further your poker site.

Blogger actively fights these problems. It's a battle, but they really try. LJ, from what I've experienced, doesn't do shit.

im of the school of thought that if youre dumb enough to allow hotlinking of your images, you almost *deserve* to get em hijacked, heh.

but seriously...

you def have some points. i just think people take the internet too seriously sometimes... expecially when it comes to "battling" stuff and "fighting" this or that. spam, flooding and piracy are common enough in any venue, so if thats the biggest bone to pick with lj, great. i thought you meant something more profound.

to take this further off-topic, i think that people should start by locking down their own stuff. allowing hotlinking or throwing massive amounts of creative or personal info out onto the public throughways of the internet is tantamount to leaving your front door wide open. you cant complain if you dont bother to protect your content.

pirating blog entries is the suck, though. fuck anyone that does that.

and that, ladies and gentlemen, is my rant for today!

apollonia666 · August 2005

rhodamine wrote: im of the school of thought that if youre dumb enough to allow hotlinking of your images, you almost *deserve* to get em hijacked, heh.

To be fair, I don't think that not knowing about how to fight hotlinking necessarily means you're stupid. I was blogging for two years before I learned how to do that, and I was an old-school HTML geek. Here are a few links that may illuminate things for you blogger types:
http://www.freewebmasterhelp.com/tutorials/htaccess/
http://altlab.com/htaccess_tutorial.html
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/hotlinking/

Bonus: you can use .htaccess to block a particular IP address from viewing your site! I did this to stop an ex from continuing to read my page at one point and it was just delicious to imagine how pissed off he must have been.

rhodamine wrote: to take this further off-topic, i think that people should start by locking down their own stuff. allowing hotlinking or throwing massive amounts of creative or personal info out onto the public throughways of the internet is tantamount to leaving your front door wide open. you cant complain if you dont bother to protect your content.

I think it's important to be mindful of what personal info you're putting out there on the web and what level of knowledge you're comfortable with people knowing about you. I'm pretty out there, but I do give it some thought. F'rinstance, I NEVER mention my workplace by name, even though I don't really care if people figure out where I work and all my coworkers know about my blog, because I get quoted as a spokesperson for my job sometimes and don't want some nutjob to Google my name and the name of where I work and start reading about my personal life.

I've not had too many weird incidents over the years I've been doing the blog, but once I found out that some chick I didn't know had linked to a post I wrote about my 9/11 experiences and she'd written a bunch of stuff about how I was a good friend of hers and about how I still "woke up screaming" at night over it. But I didn't know her, and I wasn't having nightmares about 9/11. SO weird. But I posted about the whole thing, and enough of my readers went over and left nasty comments on her site that she ended up taking her entire blog offline. Freak. Then there was the time a skinhead forum started posting nasty craziness about me on their site. Fortunately, they were so stupid that they thought my name was "Chris Uffish."

As far as keeping people from stealing your content goes, I'd love to hear suggestions for how to stop that. If someone copies a chunk of text off your site and pastes it into their own without linking to you, it's sort of hard to find out about it unless someone else notices the similarities and tips you off.

emily · August 2005

I'm happy that many of the teenyboppers are moving off LJ to xanga and myspace. I always thought LJ should never had abandoned the invitation-only scheme. Remember, until January, it was just a few people who started in it college, plus lots of volunteers. Annoying as I find 6 Apart, they will probably address those issues more.

Plus, LJ provides a solution to snooping and piracy that other clients do not: friends-locking things. Most people I know on LJ are moving in the direction of more and more friends-locking and I often wonder how people without that feature deal. Blogs are already such a hot-button issue, particularly in academic fields.

I sort of disagree with rhodamine about it being like this board, though. It's really hard to explain to people who don't actively use it how it different from blogs and discussion forums, but it has to do with the combination of individual journals, community journals (on various topics) and the userinfo pages. Here's how I tried to explain it elsewhere:

Basically, livejournal is a specific blogging client that, because of some of its unique features, people use differently than regular blogs. Here are some of the differences:

--there are groups as well as personal journals. i belong to a group about sewing, a group about the simpsons, etc. so it's like a blog and webforums in one. there are so many users on LJ that there's a group for pretty much everything. or you can start your own groups...

--you specify which people and groups are your friends, and the site compiles all of those posts together chronologically on your friends page like an RSS reader. by reading comments on your friend's journals, you often end up befriending their friends. my high school friend's ex-roommate is currently dating the friend of a guy i met on an lj book group but had never met IRL until after they started dating. so it's like friendster, too, only not horrible and lame.

--everyone has a userinfo page that tells you a little (or a lot) about them. you can write a bio, specify what your interests are (and click on your interests to find other people with the same interests), see a list of friends and groups, a list of memorable posts, and so forth. you can find out where people are coming from, in their posts, and it makes them seem more like real people, with the result that there is a lot less flaming and trollery, at least "where" i hang out, than on other forums.

--you can post things as "friends only." that way, only people who are logged in and specified as a friend of yours can see them. for example, i sometimes complain about my job in friends-only posts. i also have sub-groups, so i'm only boring my NYC friends with NYC matters.

BTW: I created that "dailyheights2" feed and I know it's broken. However, no one "owns" LJ feeds (it's a sort of unsupported feature) so I can't fix the URL. If I had the URL of a feed that works, we could create "dailyheights3" (etc.) for ourselves.

alafairnadia · August 2005

EmilyM wrote: BTW: I created that "dailyheights2" feed and I know it's broken. However, no one "owns" LJ feeds (it's a sort of unsupported feature) so I can't fix the URL. If I had the URL of a feed that works, we could create "dailyheights3" (etc.) for ourselves.

yay!

hey, rhodamine, is there a citynoise feed?

rhodamine · August 2005

alafairnadia wrote: [quote=EmilyM]BTW: I created that "dailyheights2" feed and I know it's broken. However, no one "owns" LJ feeds (it's a sort of unsupported feature) so I can't fix the URL. If I had the URL of a feed that works, we could create "dailyheights3" (etc.) for ourselves.

yay!

hey, rhodamine, is there a citynoise feed?

theres a rss feed on the citynoise site... i could make one on lj, and have meant too... maybe ill do that today.

alafairnadia · August 2005

rhodamine wrote: theres a rss feed on the citynoise site... i could make one on lj, and have meant too... maybe ill do that today.

horray! today just keeps getting better and better!

rhodamine · August 2005

alafairnadia wrote: [quote=rhodamine]theres a rss feed on the citynoise site... i could make one on lj, and have meant too... maybe ill do that today.

horray! today just keeps getting better and better!

this one is hard to beat: http://www.citynoise.org/article/578

daveb · August 2005

apollonia666 wrote: As far as keeping people from stealing your content goes, I'd love to hear suggestions for how to stop that. If someone copies a chunk of text off your site and pastes it into their own without linking to you, it's sort of hard to find out about it unless someone else notices the similarities and tips you off.

http://www.copyscape.com/

Not sure how well it works, but give it a try.

rhodamine · August 2005

daveb wrote: [quote=apollonia666]As far as keeping people from stealing your content goes, I'd love to hear suggestions for how to stop that. If someone copies a chunk of text off your site and pastes it into their own without linking to you, it's sort of hard to find out about it unless someone else notices the similarities and tips you off.

http://www.copyscape.com/

Not sure how well it works, but give it a try.

hmm, that actually works pretty well. i tested it on material i know i had crossposted between two blogs, and it found most of it. nothing on forums, though... just static blogs.

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